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Le Tour de France 2014 - Stage 7 - Épernay - Nancy
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| Shonak |
Posted on 11-07-2014 17:10
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cactus-jack wrote:
I'm going to have to choose which stage I'm going to miss; saturdays or sundays stage.
Which one do you think I should skip? Stage 8 is a mountain top finish, but it's not that much of a climb and the stage is almost completely flat. Sundays stage however, has alot more climbs, thougher ones too, but it's about 40km from the last peak to the finish line. including 20 flat kilometres.
I think tomorrow might be okey, I don't think it will be the biggest firework.
Saturday seems predictable with some long waiting and a few minutes of super action where Contador & Co set the world afire. But basically, you can easily catch up the race moments in a 5 minutes video I think. Sunday could be potentially anything; from super boring to great breakaway action to Porte dropping hard like a stone after flying up the climb the day before or Nibali doing his thing. So I'd go with sunday too, just for the fun of it.
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 11-07-2014 17:12
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
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I guess the fact Sagan attacked on that just shows that he hasn't got confidence in his sprint anymore which proves my point that he lost speed. 
Hahahaha, do you belive yourself when you say something like this?
Sagan lost a bit of speed because he's now focusing on being an all-arounder, but nowhere near the level you're trying to show that. The guy got 2nd three times this year and two times 4th in Tour and we're only 1 week in the race. Do you realize how good results these are? Before Le Tour , were you the one who kept saying that he will never get Top 5 this Tour, as he's now a puncheur? Sagan's attack was a bit dumb, yes, but he's sick of no one wanting to help him, which proves my point that he's still on top.
The only two guys who are faster than him are Greipel and Kittel at the moment, which is faaaar from calling him a bad sprinter, saying that he lost alot of speed and stupid things like that.
You cant argue with Kirchen,he is a blind hater...
He is over exaggerating but I think Sagan should focus on one thing. He is sooo talented and if he focuses that talent in one discipline he would be a brilliant beast and win more I think. still he is so fucking impressive, almost all stages top 5-10 now. |
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 11-07-2014 17:13
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Kirchen_75 wrote:
admirschleck wrote:
Kirchen_75 wrote:
I guess the fact Sagan attacked on that just shows that he hasn't got confidence in his sprint anymore which proves my point that he lost speed.
Hahahaha, do you belive yourself when you say something like this?
Sagan lost a bit of speed because he's now focusing on being an all-arounder, but nowhere near the level you're trying to show that. The guy got 2nd three times this year and two times 4th in Tour and we're only 1 week in the race. Do you realize how good results these are? Before Le Tour , were you the one who kept saying that he will never get Top 5 this Tour, as he's now a puncheur? Sagan's attack was a bit dumb, yes, but he's sick of no one wanting to help him, which proves my point that he's still on top.
The only two guys who are faster than him are Greipel and Kittel at the moment, which is faaaar from calling him a bad sprinter, saying that he lost alot of speed and stupid things like that.
All these 2nd 4th 5th places are good for the green jersey classification but else they dont mean anything. It's stage wins that count. I said hes a jack of all trades master of none. On Stage 2 he also got beat by Kwiatkowski and van Avermaet in the sprint. With Cav and Modolo out, Démare being poor and Greipel being lost for 5 stages it was very easy to get 4th place on a stage. I'm not saying he has lost a shitload of speed and is very slow but he was a guy who 2 years ago beat Greipel in a long straight drag race, the 2012 Greipel who was in great shape back then and is now scrambling for 4th. That's a definite drop of speed.
You are real moron. If somebody from OPQS was top 5 in first seven stages to start the Tour, we would be all bathing here in your semen
 Nah mate id be raging like you are now, why my favourite team can't win a stage for shit. Since this is getting personal I'm ending this discussion on that |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 11-07-2014 17:15
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Kirchen_75 wrote:
admirschleck wrote:
Kirchen_75 wrote:
I guess the fact Sagan attacked on that just shows that he hasn't got confidence in his sprint anymore which proves my point that he lost speed.
Hahahaha, do you belive yourself when you say something like this?
Sagan lost a bit of speed because he's now focusing on being an all-arounder, but nowhere near the level you're trying to show that. The guy got 2nd three times this year and two times 4th in Tour and we're only 1 week in the race. Do you realize how good results these are? Before Le Tour , were you the one who kept saying that he will never get Top 5 this Tour, as he's now a puncheur? Sagan's attack was a bit dumb, yes, but he's sick of no one wanting to help him, which proves my point that he's still on top.
The only two guys who are faster than him are Greipel and Kittel at the moment, which is faaaar from calling him a bad sprinter, saying that he lost alot of speed and stupid things like that.
All these 2nd 4th 5th places are good for the green jersey classification but else they dont mean anything. It's stage wins that count. I said hes a jack of all trades master of none. On Stage 2 he also got beat by Kwiatkowski and van Avermaet in the sprint. With Cav and Modolo out, Démare being poor and Greipel being lost for 5 stages it was very easy to get 4th place on a stage. I'm not saying he has lost a shitload of speed and is very slow but he was a guy who 2 years ago beat Greipel in a long straight drag race, the 2012 Greipel who was in great shape back then and is now scrambling for 4th. That's a definite drop of speed.
You are real moron. If somebody from OPQS was top 5 in first seven stages to start the Tour, we would be all bathing here in your semen
Nah mate id be raging like you are now, why my favourite team can't win a stage for shit. Since this is getting personal I'm ending this discussion on that
I am not raging because of results of Cannondale, but because of your stupid comments.
Wise decision to stop this talk.
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| wogsrus |
Posted on 11-07-2014 17:48
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Vaughters asking Gerro to apologise for pretty much holding his line in a sprint. Weird one that...
Nice win Trentin. Sagan falls again to the old, 'get in a late race move which was never going to work and get outsprinted'. |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 11-07-2014 17:48
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Shonak wrote:
cactus-jack wrote:
I'm going to have to choose which stage I'm going to miss; saturdays or sundays stage.
Which one do you think I should skip? Stage 8 is a mountain top finish, but it's not that much of a climb and the stage is almost completely flat. Sundays stage however, has alot more climbs, thougher ones too, but it's about 40km from the last peak to the finish line. including 20 flat kilometres.
I think tomorrow might be okey, I don't think it will be the biggest firework.
Saturday seems predictable with some long waiting and a few minutes of super action where Contador & Co set the world afire. But basically, you can easily catch up the race moments in a 5 minutes video I think. Sunday could be potentially anything; from super boring to great breakaway action to Porte dropping hard like a stone after flying up the climb the day before or Nibali doing his thing. So I'd go with sunday too, just for the fun of it.
Yeah, this sums it up, its very much up in the air. Sunday you will see action to some degree right from the start, while Sunday's last 1 hour is going to be very interesting as well with a Vuelta-esque ending. Its kinda 50/50 for me if I was to choose (luckily, im not in that position  ), but since I am a Valverde-lover, I would go for Saturday in the end. |
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 11-07-2014 17:56
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gotlandrules wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
Fuck you Gerrans. Just because Cav hurt you doesn't mean you can go around doing it to everyone else.
Blaming Talanskys crash on Gerrans, really? For me it was 100% Talanskys fault for even being in that position at that moment, then start looking back and doing some other really strange stuff in a sprint, stupid...
Spot on here
Talansky was the fault of his own crash and also he shows his lack of experience.
Not to mention wtf was he doing there, the time gain on other GC would be minimal and as a GC contender i have no idea why he would also try to sprint. |
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| Movistar |
Posted on 11-07-2014 17:58
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Yeah, this sums it up, its very much up in the air. Sunday you will see action to some degree right from the start, while Sunday's last 1 hour is going to be very interesting as well with a Vuelta-esque ending. Its kinda 50/50 for me if I was to choose (luckily, im not in that position ), but since I am a Valverde-lover, I would go for Saturday in the end.
Short climbs on Saturday but looking at the profiles the last two are very steep which should make for some good action.
I dont see much happening on Sunday with the beast of a stage on Monday. I see the GC taking it easy, limiting the break and saving everything for the next day. |
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 11-07-2014 18:02
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Movistar wrote:
Yeah, this sums it up, its very much up in the air. Sunday you will see action to some degree right from the start, while Sunday's last 1 hour is going to be very interesting as well with a Vuelta-esque ending. Its kinda 50/50 for me if I was to choose (luckily, im not in that position ), but since I am a Valverde-lover, I would go for Saturday in the end.
Short climbs on Saturday but looking at the profiles the last two are very steep which should make for some good action.
I dont see much happening on Sunday with the beast of a stage on Monday. I see the GC taking it easy, limiting the break and saving everything for the next day.
Hmm, with the amount of time Contador has to gain, i dont think you will see any quiet stage during the next 3 days, Contador and the other top GC contenders have to test and test and test Nibali and his team every mountainstage the time is to much to relay on TT and the biggest mountain stages.
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| roturn |
Posted on 11-07-2014 18:10
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Paul Voss more or less secured to not start tomorrow.
He hoped for a good result today and was in a good position when he was one of the last corner crash victims.
He crashed straight with his face into one of the barriers and has multiple facial injuries including losing several teeth. Nasty crash there. |
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 11-07-2014 18:16
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Talansky throwing in a gift to baseball at the end was quite funny. Not sure why he was looking away from where he was going when he decided to cut across during the sprint. Luckily he was the only one that went down due to his stupidity.
Edit: Gerro is at a bit of fault actually, after watching the replay a couple times.
About Sagan, I remember making similar arguments about Rojas a few years ago, when he was finishing in 3rd, 4th, 5th on every flat stage. No doubt Sagan is a great sprinter and I think he is a better sprinter than Rojas was at the time of me making similar arguments, however its a lot different to be getting to the front of the sprints and breaking the wind and being able to win or finish 2nd against top opposition, against being placed very well and following the right wheels to drag you to a 3rd or 4th place without even getting out of the slipstream before the final 50m. I wouldn't call him the 3rd fastest sprinter in the world.
Edited by valverde321 on 11-07-2014 18:28
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| dark_x2012 |
Posted on 11-07-2014 18:19
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Hahahaha poor Sagan |
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| Kentaurus |
Posted on 11-07-2014 18:26
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valverde321 wrote:
I wouldn't call him the 3rd fastest sprinter in the world.
He isn't calling him the 3rd fastest in the world, just the 3rd fastest in the TdF right now. Which is probably accurate.
Sagan has done exactly what his baseline hope for this tour was, he has been present in every stage, pretty much wrapped up the green jersey already. I'm sure he would have loved a stage win somewhere, may still get one later, but winning the green jersey was his goal.
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 11-07-2014 18:31
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Ouch for Froome
"MRIs done, confirmed fractures to the left wrist & right hand. Time for some R&R..."
Both hands broken so no self service for awhile there.
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| madzdaman |
Posted on 11-07-2014 18:35
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Jacdk wrote:
Ouch for Froome
"MRIs done, confirmed fractures to the left wrist & right hand. Time for some R&R..."
Both hands broken so no self service for awhile there.
That is just wrong.I now feel a bit sick. |
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 11-07-2014 18:35
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Kentaurus wrote:
valverde321 wrote:
I wouldn't call him the 3rd fastest sprinter in the world.
He isn't calling him the 3rd fastest in the world, just the 3rd fastest in the TdF right now. Which is probably accurate.
Sagan has done exactly what his baseline hope for this tour was, he has been present in every stage, pretty much wrapped up the green jersey already. I'm sure he would have loved a stage win somewhere, may still get one later, but winning the green jersey was his goal.
Well sure, injuries to certain riders, abandonments etc, I guess that might be true. If we had to say, 3rd best sprinter then I would agree and maybe even say 2nd best sprinter, his consistency is unmatched, but 3rd fastest might still be a stretch. Guys like Demare, Kittel, Greipel and Kristoff (the riders still in atm) all seem to be of varying degrees faster than Sagan on a purely flat day.
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 11-07-2014 18:47
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But don't forget that sprinters aren't sprinting only on 'purely flat' stages. The stages with few hills and even some mountains in their early part, with flat finish are also called flat. So, Sagan is definitely 3rd (if not even 2nd) best/fastest sprinter in this Tour, in my honest opinion.
Of course, as you said, on pure flat stage, with all sprinters in the world participating and in perfect conditions, without crashes, I am fairly sure he wouldn't be 3rd best/fastest. It's, however, hilarious to make comparations like these, as we all know it's impossible to have a stage like I described above.
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 11-07-2014 18:59
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admirschleck wrote:
But don't forget that sprinters aren't sprinting only on 'purely flat' stages. The stages with few hills and even some mountains in their early part, with flat finish are also called flat. So, Sagan is definitely 3rd (if not even 2nd) best/fastest sprinter in this Tour, in my honest opinion.
Of course, as you said, on pure flat stage, with all sprinters in the world participating and in perfect conditions, without crashes, I am fairly sure he wouldn't be 3rd best/fastest. It's, however, hilarious to make comparations like these, as we all know it's impossible to have a stage like I described above.
Not to mention that it also plays a huge impact how good your train is, what line you get and when you begin to sprint, as we saw in Kittel´s latest win without a train he is a lot more human and equal to most in top 6. And i am not sure if it had been Cavendish Kittel would have won.
Sagan is another kind of sprinter and is more allround and that of course cost in the speed. And he certainly isent on level with Kittel and Cavendish. |
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| niconico |
Posted on 11-07-2014 19:36
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What do you guys think about tomorrow's finale? If no break is allowed to stay away I really fancy Kwiatkowski here. He's shown great capabilities riding uphill this season.
Purito is obvious but who is too think he is any mentionable shape considering how he has fared so far. Then there's also Valverde.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 11-07-2014 19:40
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niconico wrote:
What do you guys think about tomorrow's finale? If no break is allowed to stay away I really fancy Kwiatkowski here. He's shown great capabilities riding uphill this season.
Purito is obvious but who is too think he is any mentionable shape considering how he has fared so far. Then there's also Valverde.
I think it will be too steep for Kwiatkowski tomorrow, but you never know. Contador and Valverde are the obvious, but maybe Rui Costa could take a stage win as well? For some reason I believe he is very strong this year. Something which also will be interesting to look for (especially since Im a dane) is Fuglsang who has an opportunity to grab the jersey if Nibali somehow lets him/doesnt have the legs. |
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