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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 09-11-2013 22:40
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I think it's a very clever move from him, tbh.
At the Tour, he'd be facing Froome, who he wouldn't beat unless Froome were to crash and a) lose a ton of time or b) hurt himself badly. Not to mention Nibali and an insane Astana squad.
At the Giro, his biggest rivals would be Porte and Purito.
I know who I'd choose to go up against
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 09-11-2013 22:42
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I'm still kinda of scared to what's going to happen if Froome looses a lot of time in the cobbles. It may be Full Retard on all climbs. Wich a)would be good, sort of and b) I would cry for hours. And Porte, damn.... I'm scared of that in the Giro as well. |
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Posted on 09-11-2013 22:42
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And there goes Purito's chance to take a GT win. And Froome probably has the Tour in pocket now. |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 10-11-2013 03:06
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Not sure if this is the smartest move. Next year's Tour might be his best shot at the Tour for a couple of seasons, given the terrain, although there's such a long time trial at the end. The Giro on the other hand will always suit him more, be it next year, 2015 or in ten years. I still like his attitude though that he wants to win the Giro and doesn't seem to care so much about another possible podium at the Tour.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 10-11-2013 09:12
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Disclaimer : not interesting for everyone
There was a seminar of French trainers this week.
It appears there's a small revolution about how they approach power outputs.
Until now they used critical power output on 5 minutes (best consecutive 5 minutes effort), and used that figure to determine 5 aerobic training zone : I1 35 to 50 %, I2 = 50 to 65, I3 = 65 to 75, I4 = 75 to 80, I5 = 80 to 100 (I've written here about this several times).
The two changes are now that CPO will be calculated on 4 minutes, and that different figures will be used for flat and for climbing. The percentages defining intensities remain the same.
I get the first point, although the switch to 4 minutes doesn't necessarily make more sense than 5 minutes. In my case, because I have no other example at hand, it means ~5 % more power. As intensities remain the same, it'll be the same intensities + ~5% all along.
What I don't really get is why they'll use different figures for climbing and flat. It depends on riders, but the best possible power figures on a given effort length can be reached in both situations (though most riders do their best while climbing). |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 10-11-2013 10:28
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Shonak wrote:
Not sure if this is the smartest move. Next year's Tour might be his best shot at the Tour for a couple of seasons, given the terrain, although there's such a long time trial at the end. The Giro on the other hand will always suit him more, be it next year, 2015 or in ten years. I still like his attitude though that he wants to win the Giro and doesn't seem to care so much about another possible podium at the Tour.
Quintana will have chances at the Tour.
He's not a bad Time Trialist. |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 10-11-2013 11:07
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Ian Butler wrote:
Quintana will have chances at the Tour.
He's not a bad Time Trialist.
He's average, at best.
That's not the problem, though. The problem is that Froome is ludicrously good.
He lost 3'16 to Froome in 33 km at this year's Tour. If he'd lose time with the same pace over the 54 km TT next year, that's a deficit of roughly 5'20. No chance he'll beat Froome by that much in the mountains.
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| cio93 |
Posted on 10-11-2013 14:31
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
Quintana will have chances at the Tour.
He's not a bad Time Trialist.
He's average, at best.
That's not the problem, though. The problem is that Froome is ludicrously good.
He lost 3'16 to Froome in 33 km at this year's Tour. If he'd lose time with the same pace over the 54 km TT next year, that's a deficit of roughly 5'20. No chance he'll beat Froome by that much in the mountains.
So this means Quintana has to avoid the Tour until Froome declines, and we'll watch even bigger borefests the next ~5 years. Or rather not watch.
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| The Hobbit |
Posted on 10-11-2013 14:45
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No not really. Due to the slow decline of The Tour into La Vuelta, in a few years, there will be no TTs, and every stage will be a 1500m + Summit finish. Good for Quintana, good for racing excitement, but terrible for the sport. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 10-11-2013 15:10
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The Hobbit wrote:
No not really. Due to the slow decline of The Tour into La Vuelta, in a few years, there will be no TTs, and every stage will be a 1500m + Summit finish. Good for Quintana, good for racing excitement, but terrible for the sport.
The Tour has been by far the most balanced GT for the last decade! Even this years route opens up the racing to a wider selection of potential winners.
The Giro back loads climbs into week 3, but does include enough other variety to make a good race.
The Vuelta is fucked in the head and seems to be trying to get Purito to win, which is never going to happen because he is either not the best or just plain old fucks up
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| The Hobbit |
Posted on 10-11-2013 15:16
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TheManxMissile wrote:
The Hobbit wrote:
No not really. Due to the slow decline of The Tour into La Vuelta, in a few years, there will be no TTs, and every stage will be a 1500m + Summit finish. Good for Quintana, good for racing excitement, but terrible for the sport.
The Tour has been by far the most balanced GT for the last decade! Even this years route opens up the racing to a wider selection of potential winners.
The Giro back loads climbs into week 3, but does include enough other variety to make a good race.
The Vuelta is fucked in the head and seems to be trying to get Purito to win, which is never going to happen because he is either not the best or just plain old fucks up
I know the Tour is the most balanced GT, but it's declined last 2 years I feel, hopefully 2015 will be better. This year only 1 flat TT, and moved from traditional slot, and the earliest final TT in years, and that was mountainous, so rubbish anyway.
Now this year, there's only one TT, they seem to be going down the same route as La Vuelta, but maybe setting things up for Pinot or Barguil in the future, as they aren't so good in the TTs compared to others. With all 3 GTs going down the climbing route, someone like Wiggins will never win again, not bad if you want exciting racing, but the variety is going down I feel. |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 10-11-2013 15:42
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
Quintana will have chances at the Tour.
He's not a bad Time Trialist.
He's average, at best.
That's not the problem, though. The problem is that Froome is ludicrously good.
He lost 3'16 to Froome in 33 km at this year's Tour. If he'd lose time with the same pace over the 54 km TT next year, that's a deficit of roughly 5'20. No chance he'll beat Froome by that much in the mountains.
I meant Quintana will have his chances at the Tour in his career. Because someone said this year is his best chance. I'm just saying, he's young, it's not like he'll ruin his career by going to the Giro now. He'll have plenty of chances to win the Tour later on  |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 10-11-2013 16:02
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The Hobbit wrote:
Spoiler I know the Tour is the most balanced GT, but it's declined last 2 years I feel, hopefully 2015 will be better. This year only 1 flat TT, and moved from traditional slot, and the earliest final TT in years, and that was mountainous, so rubbish anyway.
Now this year, there's only one TT, they seem to be going down the same route as La Vuelta, but maybe setting things up for Pinot or Barguil in the future, as they aren't so good in the TTs compared to others. With all 3 GTs going down the climbing route, someone like Wiggins will never win again, not bad if you want exciting racing, but the variety is going down I feel.
TT kilometers at the most recent Tour editions:
2009: 56 km
2010: 61 km
2011: 42,5 km (all hilly/mountainous)
2012: 95 km
2013: 65 km (32 km hilly/mountainous)
2014: 54 km
I wouldn't say it's declining. 2012 was just extremely TT-friendly
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| Shonak |
Posted on 10-11-2013 21:07
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Ian Butler wrote:I meant Quintana will have his chances at the Tour in his career. Because someone said this year is his best chance. I'm just saying, he's young, it's not like he'll ruin his career by going to the Giro now. He'll have plenty of chances to win the Tour later on
Well, I said this might be his best shot at the Tour for a couple of seasons. However, of course 2015 or 2016 can fit him even better or maybe they'll be worse. Who knows. If he's development will be good and he overcomes possible serious injuries, plus considering his incredible young age, he obviously is very likely to win the Tour at some point until he retires. The Giro on the other hand will always be more to his favour than the Tour (Mountainwise, TT) but, as said before, it's good to see him wanting to win the Giro.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 10-11-2013 21:36
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Climber like Giro and most beautiful Gt in the world..what is wrong with that?
Guy is 23..give him a break.
2 nd place at 2013 Tdf was a surprise and max. result at the moment.
Edited by Guido Mukk on 10-11-2013 21:38
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 10-11-2013 23:58
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For all those saying this Tour is a chance in a lifetime for Quintana, don't forget that Quintana would most likely be the biggest victim of the cobbled stage. It's good for him to go to the Giro, starting in a GT when you have a big chance of winning is NEVER a bad choice. You all just want him so badly at the Tour to be a counterweight for Froome.
Edited by fosforgasXIII on 10-11-2013 23:58
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| cio93 |
Posted on 11-11-2013 20:55
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Well, that would have been too easy anyway...
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 12-11-2013 16:09
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Just a Two-week Veulta... It's an interesting thought, but no idea how it would increase the races popularity amongst riders especially as it would no longer be considered a Grand Tour.
Although the thoughts to use it as more of a promotional tool for Spain is a good idea, but rankly how it could do that more is a mystery. Perhaps spending less time going up a mountain would help... But then they want to continue their "trend" of short stages with a climb finish...
Vuelta undergoing puberty apparently and is not sure about it's body image anymore. Is it too fat? Does it get the attention of all the pretty boys? Are it's clothes too long, should it show more skin in a shorter time? Perhaps if it slept with more companies then people will be it's friend... Swear down it's just a White American 15-16 year old!
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 12-11-2013 16:18
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Cobo and Horner as recent winners isn't helping them either. And then you have Heras, Vinokourov and Menchov a bit further down the list.
Could Quintana do the Giro/Vuelta double at his age? It has become nearly impossible to do Giro/Tour or Tour/Vuelta. But Nibali got close to Giro/Vuelta, so I'm hoping that will inspire others to aim for the Vuelta as well if they're not riding the Tour. I have to agree it's the GT I'm least interested in lately.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 12-11-2013 17:31
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If they cut one week off they'll have more MTF than stages !
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