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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 23-12-2013 09:49
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Also, don't forget that riders with their highest stats being 71 and being 18 can still be a Sagan-like talent,
If you are lucky and he develops very well in a year or 1,5 years, his best stat might be 76/77 while 19, and voila, it's Sagan 
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| fronaldo |
Posted on 23-12-2013 10:15
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Like Mohoric right? |
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| The Hobbit |
Posted on 23-12-2013 10:18
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A few little problems with that. I've never seen anyone scouted with a stat higher than 70... Also, I've never seen an 18 year old with stats better than 66ish or lower. Also, in what game do people go up 6 stats in under 2 years???!!!! The best I've seen is 2 or 3.
You're right in terms of realism probably, but still, I did like the days where I could build an entire squad of talents and take on WT |
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| LLDS |
Posted on 23-12-2013 12:39
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I agree with The Hobbit.
After a 10 seasons career, I can say that extremely few young riders (talents) have starting stats above 69. And that after checking with an editor in several save games, because I didn't find one by myself.
There are several problems with the talents in the PCM Daily DB. The future great talents (at least one important stat - MON, HIL, SPR, COB - is 80 or above) are fewer and weaker than in the Original DB.
- Fewer future great talents - like half comparing with the original DB. Let's say that this is not a major problem, but the fact that not all the future great talents will be in a team (some of them are in countries without cycling teams and will not enter in the peloton, whie others, even if they are from well represented countries, are left in the forgotten area of "free riders". That let us with a few options for the future stars of the peloton.
- Weaker great talents - You will not see a generated rider winning anything before its 26 or 27 years. If we compare with the real life cycling, we see it's not the same. Furthermore, it is something that I don't understand. The new riders of the peloton (Ewan, Allaphilippe, Caddrock and some more) have very good stats, but the game will not generate good talents as them anymore.
- The stats limit are a considerable drawback for the generated riders comparing with the existing ones. Quintana will stay another 10 years in the peloton but in the 10 seasons I played the game hasn't generated any rider capable of challenging him in the mountains. In my game Quintana has 83 MON, the game generated only 1 rider with 81 MON limit and 2 with 83 MON limit (after checking in the editor, because I didn’t found them), all three with very low HIL and TT comparing with Quintana. The same goes for COB. Vanmarke has a 82 COB, but the game hasn't generated any rider with similar COB value in 10 seasons ( just one with 81 COB, but low SPR and HIL, and 2-3 with 80 COB; and just one of them, a Swedish guy is good enough to challenge Vanmarke in the next seasons).
In the first 8 seasons not a single WT race was won by a generated rider, but I can assure you that in the next 8 years we will have real WT races won by riders who are not in the peloton right now.
- Speaking of secondary stats. I know that is some random, I don't blame anyone, but 84 SPR with 76 ACC for a generated rider, as well as 81 MON with only 70-71 HIL, or punchers with 82 MON and only 73 ACC, or COB riders without secondary SPR or HIL stats, those are all a little annoying. There are already few talents, but when those are incomplete it is even more frustrating. Despite the fact that the game generated a 85 HIL guy and a 82 HIL guy, both maxed by me, none of them can compete with the old puchers (Betancour, Henao, Martin, Sagan and others) because of the lack of secondary stats : ACC, MON, RES/STA.
You have to wait like 10 seasons in order to have generated riders good enough to win big races (considering that the existing very good riders will retire in the next 10 seasons), but after 10 seasons most of the people lose their interest.
Speaking about that, it is possible to have the PCM Daily DB (which is great with the exception of the young riders generation) with the young riders generating file from the original DB ?
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| The Hobbit |
Posted on 23-12-2013 13:45
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Very good points LLDS.
I would also like to know whether it is possible to play the Daily DBS with the good old (ridiculous yet fun) young rider files.
One point is, do you not think some of the back up stat issues, ( your's aren't as bad as mine, trust me  ) may be down to training regimes. EG. sprinter training improves sprint 1.5 x more than acceleration, and naturally I think sprinters spawn with a bit more spr than acc. So if you start with 67 and 65 sprint say, then when the sprint reaches 85, acceleration reaches 77 (all rough) and that's with a 'normal' rider. |
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| vladimir |
Posted on 23-12-2013 17:38
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I agree with The Hobbit and LLDS for the most part. I have just finished my first season with the daily expantion pack and decided to check dyn_young_cyclist. In 2145 potential youngsters there is one future monster (limit 83 hill, 85 endurance), but e.g. for cobbles highest limit is 78 and only 8 have 75 or more. In general I also feel that the starting stats are way low compared to the already existing talents (Ewan, Enger, Mohoric etc.) The auto generated guys will probably take two or three years to have similar stats.
If only the AI let the best riders be signed to (good) teams early this could still be good, but it seems this still doesn't happen.
So I expect if I continue this career for 7-8 seasons I will only have approx 10-15 guys fighting for the white jersey in TDF with none of them capable of finishing near the top 10 (as in most other editions)...
Two questions comments for my better understanding:
- The current stats will not change as long as a rider is still in dyn_young_cyclist right? Meaning if an 19 year old averages 62 now and will first be signed in three years time he will still average 62?
- And I also expect the limit stats will not change when a rider is promoted to dyn_cyclist either by being too old or being signed to a team?
Edited by vladimir on 23-12-2013 17:40
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| LLDS |
Posted on 23-12-2013 18:26
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The Hobbit wrote:
Very good points LLDS.
I would also like to know whether it is possible to play the Daily DBS with the good old (ridiculous yet fun) young rider files.
One point is, do you not think some of the back up stat issues, ( your's aren't as bad as mine, trust me ) may be down to training regimes. EG. sprinter training improves sprint 1.5 x more than acceleration, and naturally I think sprinters spawn with a bit more spr than acc. So if you start with 67 and 65 sprint say, then when the sprint reaches 85, acceleration reaches 77 (all rough) and that's with a 'normal' rider.
You are right The Hobbit, but it is my fault. It is me who wrongly wrote.
When I was speaking about the difference between the main stat and the secondary stat, I was not speaking about the stats, but about the stat limits (checked in the Editor).
You are right when speaking about the different speed progression but the stat limit doesn't lie. It is the limit which can not be overwritten.
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| LLDS |
Posted on 23-12-2013 18:31
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Vladimir remind me about something. And I think it is related with the low stats of the young riders : the incredibly low number of U25 riders in WT races. Most of the stage races have less than 10 U25 riders. It happened that a stage race (I think it was Giro, but I am not sure; but definitely a WT tour) had only 7 U25 riders. And 5 of them were mine !
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| ruben |
Posted on 24-12-2013 12:43
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Yeah I said this before, way back when the kentaurus xml files were released.
I'm telling you the way FCD is doing it is the correct way. That file needed tweaking as well though, but at least the talents weren't as useless as in kentaurus files |
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| ShortsNL |
Posted on 24-12-2013 12:59
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Reading through this last two pages I have a simple question:
With the PCMDailyDB installed, how do I get my game to use the oringal XML files for generating young riders, that came with the game?
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| Selwink |
Posted on 24-12-2013 13:09
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I still have them here: Kentaurus has supplied them with his files
https://www.media...31zgwswvj9
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| LLDS |
Posted on 24-12-2013 13:15
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To replace the files in : c:\Program Files (x86)\Cyanide\Pro Cycling Manager - Season 2013\Xml\YoungRiderCarac\ I suppose  .
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| LLDS |
Posted on 24-12-2013 14:21
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If I get it right, replacing the files from the PCM folder with the original files will keep all the countries introduced by the PCM Daily DB (thanks again for putting Romania on the map), but the rider will be generated according to the original algorithm.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 24-12-2013 14:30
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That's right LLDS
And the correct Romanian names will be used, as long as you stay off the regen.xml
The other .xmls can be changed without anything bad happening to the Romanian regens though, and the other ones are the ones that change the starting stats & limits
Edited by Jesleyh on 24-12-2013 14:30
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| ruben |
Posted on 24-12-2013 14:49
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The only thing none of the xml files fix correctly is the stat limits for current riders. I always edit them manually (the extreme ones that is) |
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| LLDS |
Posted on 24-12-2013 14:59
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Jesleyh wrote:
That's right LLDS
And the correct Romanian names will be used, as long as you stay off the regen.xml
The other .xmls can be changed without anything bad happening to the Romanian regens though, and the other ones are the ones that change the starting stats & limits
Thanks Jesleyh.
You always have the answers I like .
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| LLDS |
Posted on 27-12-2013 18:09
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He is not a beast, but is the best Romanian rider that I found in many seasons.
I think he is capable of winning a GT in the future.
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| The Rider |
Posted on 27-12-2013 18:13
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LLDS - It would be good to see you start a story as you are years into the game.
For me the game gets more enjoyable the more seasons you go into the game as you can get potential GT winners from multiple countries such as Romania. |
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| anderspcm |
Posted on 27-12-2013 18:16
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I also tend to enjoy the career the more seasons I play. I think he'll be able to win a GT too
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| LLDS |
Posted on 28-12-2013 16:16
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@ The Rider : Thanks, but I don't think, because of many reasons. First of all, English is not my native language and I still have some problems in expresing my self in English. Secondly, I am not so good at PCM. I simulate many races. The preparation races and even the races where I cannot do better than the simulation. For example, in LBL I always suck, and the simulation is doing way better with the same riders. I saw some stories of other users. They are really good, winning at hard with low rated riders against the stars. Well, I am not so good.
And there is another reason. Now I am at my second career, because I gave up at the first one. It was a Romanian-Moldavia career which lasted 10 seasons (and maybe I will play in the future again, to go the story to the 11th season), but I had the Expansion Pack young rider generating files, so I had problems in finding good riders. I had a Moldavian who reached 76 MON, 76 HIL and 76 TT and after many seasons I found a Serbian riders (sponsor demands) with 76 MON and 73/74 HIL. Those are all the notables riders with a 75+ stat. Then, after 4 seasons in Conti (I never had enough races inviations in order to achieve CQ points) I buyed riders from other countries and advanced to Conti Pro and after that to WT, then I hunted young riders from everywhere and the team identity was lost as well as my interest. Now, in order to avoid being caught in a static career, I put the original young riders generating files, but keept all the others Expansion Pack files; plus, my team is a 4 countries team. Besides Romania and Moldova I have Luxembourg and Switzerland. So it will be an international team with riders from only those 4 countries (Luxembourg and Switzerland allow me to participate in WC) and I will try to find some decent young riders like Dalakis from those countries and make history. The first Romanian or Moldavian rider winner of a GT, for example .
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