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Posted on 22-11-2024 14:56
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| roturn |
Posted on 09-02-2013 16:30
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Totally agree. Wasn`t meant as critic on the replay. I am completely fine with it. More with the AI on the replay.  |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 10-02-2013 02:03
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As others have said, that was a truly awful performance from the AI. Higher placing for Gautier, sure, but without gaps it is kind of meaningless.
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| aidanvn13 |
Posted on 10-02-2013 07:46
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Disappointing stage 5 V2.0. In V1.0 MTN had 1 rider in the break, 2 finishing in top 15 and another rider in the top 15 GC. In V.2, no rider in the break, no riders in the top 20 and no rider in the top 20 GC. *sigh* 
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 10-02-2013 10:47
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I'd be more disappointed if I hadn't been fully expecting something similar to happen......I'm afraid the game becomes a bit worthless when you have no trust or confidence in the reporter.
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| cio93 |
Posted on 10-02-2013 10:55
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fenian_1234 wrote:
I'd be more disappointed if I hadn't been fully expecting something similar to happen......I'm afraid the game becomes a bit worthless when you have no trust or confidence in the reporter.
Well, you have to explain far more precisely to make me believe mb re-plays a stage until Ginanni crashes (if I correctly understand that this is what you're implying).
Edited by cio93 on 10-02-2013 10:56
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 10-02-2013 11:28
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fenian_1234 wrote:
I'd be more disappointed if I hadn't been fully expecting something similar to happen......I'm afraid the game becomes a bit worthless when you have no trust or confidence in the reporter.
Do you genuinely think I cheated to make Ginanni crash?
 [url=www.pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=33182] Team Santander Media Thread[/url]
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| Bjartne |
Posted on 10-02-2013 11:58
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fenian_1234 wrote:
I'd be more disappointed if I hadn't been fully expecting something similar to happen......I'm afraid the game becomes a bit worthless when you have no trust or confidence in the reporter.
I had a lot of sympathy for you and your team for what happened to Ginanni in the re-race, but when you treat the reporter as disrespectful as you do, I must admit that the original sympathy towards you disappeared rather quickly. |
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| Mhaley45 |
Posted on 10-02-2013 12:10
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Fenian,
Come on, I understand how frustrating it can be to have to have a stage re-raced, but to accuse the reporter of cheating so that your rider crashes. That is letting your frustration get out of control.
I think you need to apologize!
It is very early in the season and bad luck will strike us all.
Making a mistake (for which he apologized) in creating a stage design is a long way from intentionally altering results to affect your team/rider.
Unless you have concrete facts you can present to back up your charge, you need to move on.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 10-02-2013 12:15
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fenian_1234 wrote:
I'd be more disappointed if I hadn't been fully expecting something similar to happen......I'm afraid the game becomes a bit worthless when you have no trust or confidence in the reporter.
Seriously? He puts time and effort into this and you decide to throw this shit around without anything at all to back it up beyond your own suspicions. That's fucking low.
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 10-02-2013 12:46
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Yes - I expected such a reaction and thought a day or so before posting, but that's the conclusion I reached.
Let me be clear - this isn't me being pissed off about Ginanni falling - as not doing well was exactly what I was expecting - so I didn't really care too much when I read it....
My expectation of not doing well was based on a pre-race conversation in a different thread and picking up on quite a bit of attitude on the back of it.
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Errr, how can a stage with a HC or Cat 1 climb in it be rated as hilly?
That I'm afraid is well and truly a mountain. No way I'd have sent a hilly rider to tackle something like that. There's two stages there that are evidently not for hilly riders.
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The stage was in the thread before decisions were made.
If you didn't look then that's your own problem
The stage was changed, but that's a different story...
But not doing well either of the times the stage was run with the best hilly rider in the race, re-inforced my expectations not once but twice. There was another hilly stage too at the start of the race, so if you're counting 3 stages in total. At the end of the day - that's my feeling and an explanation to it.
The three years I've been in the game the reporters have done a fantastic job and I've never had cause to doubt. Once you do - for whatever reason - you're better off out of the game.
Roche winning again I think was the best result for all concerned for what its worth. |
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| Mhaley45 |
Posted on 10-02-2013 14:01
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I have only been part of the ManGame for just less than 2 years and I learned long ago that Flat stages are not always Flat and that Hilly stages are not always hilly. I believe that much of that problem is rooted in the PCM system of trying to classify a stage. Could poor stage design contribute to that?
I have no idea as I have never attempted to create a stage. However, even if a poor design contributed to the classification issue, you have taken that a huge step further by calling into question the reporter's integrity.
A leap you could not make in any court, but here on the internet you can say whatever you like.
Please do not forget this is a game. It is a hobby we spend our free time on. The reporters are not paid employees. They donate thier time and efforts to make this a very fun game to play and a fun community to be part of.
You said that for 3 years you have been playing the ManGame and the reports have been Great, yet one thing upsets you and you are ready to attack or quit.
I see that as over reacting.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 10-02-2013 15:21
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The stage change was discussed by all the reporters in our organising forum and was entirely because it is impossible for stage makers to set their own ratings for hilly/mountainous and as such the only way to ensure that stages are classified correctly is to change then slightly. I doubt this will be the last time that it happens thus season.
If you have a question just ask before saying stupid shit like that.
And you haven't provided any motive for mob doing this anyway.
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| Heine |
Posted on 11-02-2013 15:37
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I wont join this discussion at all, would just say that I support the reporters and believe they do a great job. And that I still hate some of you for my riders being left behind so much last part of last season (and no, it can't be becuse I gave them no support and they had to fetch water themself, that is just stupid to say :-p). As someone say, luck will most of the time even out over the season, now we just have to hope that Roche break his bone on one of the next stages 
The stage I'm looking forward to is coming up, a long downhill before the finish should be perfect for Flügel
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| Christer |
Posted on 11-02-2013 16:18
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Meh. This race was a bad choice. Oh well.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 12-02-2013 05:53
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I dont want to troll much, but i hope main result of replaying the stage and cheating accusations were not pissing the reporter, who will now not finish the race. 
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| Heine |
Posted on 12-02-2013 07:44
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I guess the delay is becuse he had to change the stages and race/report again, the original one was done some time ago so mb might have a lot on his hands atm. Hopefully we get it soon  (With a Flügel victory ofc, and Kessler on 2nd place ;-))
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| roturn |
Posted on 12-02-2013 12:28
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Change Kessler with Bellis and we might have a deal here. Everyhing but losing the actual position is fine for me. |
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| SotD |
Posted on 12-02-2013 15:16
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I don't think the decision to re-run the stage(s) was a good call. Infact I think that no races should be re-run after they are up, unless a top rider is missing or something like that.
Despite that I respect the decision, as the race organizers know a lot more about stages that I do. I don't have any interest in the results here, so I shouldn't care at all. Just wanted to let some of you know that I felt the decision was incorrect (Avin).
With that said I'm completely blown away by the attack from fenian, which is just not okay! To come charging away like that is horrible, and I can only imagine how mb feels after having this thrown in his face. I would be going balistics behind my screen if someone accused me of creating and re-creating stages only to shit on one person. Come on fenian FFS. You should know the game, and know that you can't construct a crash. That is just plain stupid. mb is doing a great job here trying to get the game running smoothly - As do the others "racers".
I think you are acting very unfair, and I hope, once your blood calms you will see it. Everyone around this game knows that I want to win everything, and will push far to do so. So I'm not going to judge based on a heat-of-the-moment mistake, but I do however expect you to be mature enough to recognize it once you are calmed down. mb deserves to know that he is doing a fine job, and you (and others) are seeing him that way - And that way only.
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| aidanvn13 |
Posted on 12-02-2013 18:21
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SotD wrote:
I don't think the decision to re-run the stage(s) was a good call. Infact I think that no races should be re-run after they are up, unless a top rider is missing or something like that.
Despite that I respect the decision, as the race organizers know a lot more about stages that I do. I don't have any interest in the results here, so I shouldn't care at all. Just wanted to let some of you know that I felt the decision was incorrect (Avin).
With that said I'm completely blown away by the attack from fenian, which is just not okay! To come charging away like that is horrible, and I can only imagine how mb feels after having this thrown in his face. I would be going balistics behind my screen if someone accused me of creating and re-creating stages only to shit on one person. Come on fenian FFS. You should know the game, and know that you can't construct a crash. That is just plain stupid. mb is doing a great job here trying to get the game running smoothly - As do the others "racers".
I think you are acting very unfair, and I hope, once your blood calms you will see it. Everyone around this game knows that I want to win everything, and will push far to do so. So I'm not going to judge based on a heat-of-the-moment mistake, but I do however expect you to be mature enough to recognize it once you are calmed down. mb deserves to know that he is doing a fine job, and you (and others) are seeing him that way - And that way only.
Don't want to join the discussion, but that is my exact thoughts on the entire matter. Exact thoughts.
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| aidanvn13 |
Posted on 12-02-2013 18:36
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And for what it's worth mb, I've thought the reporting has been excellent and I can't wait for stage 6's report
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