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Has there ever been a cyclist bust?
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| alexanderlens |
Posted on 26-09-2012 19:05
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issoisso wrote:
alexanderlens, I had a talk with your doctor and....well....I think you should have a seat.
There's no easy way to say this.
You're an idiot.
I'm sorry. I thought you should know. The doctors say there is no cure. I will pray for you.
EDIT: And if you like I'll come back after dinner and show you why by your own logic you're wrong 
Do that. I love this discussion. And to make you have a nice dinner: Biggest bust of all: Miha Svab.
P.S. I talked with my doctor. He sad there is just an cure: discuss it.!! 
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| YvesStevens |
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Would you call Haussler a bust?, he had a weak time at Garmin but at Cervelo, he did great. And can he win anything again now he is the leader of IAM Cycling team>? |
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| alexanderlens |
Posted on 26-09-2012 19:06
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YvesStevens wrote:
Would you call Haussler a bust?, he had a weak time at Garmin but at Cervelo, he did great. And can he win anything again now he is the leader of IAM Cycling team>?
1. No, he's no bust
2. No, he will not win any big race at IAM, but if they get a World tour license, who knows...
EDIT: omg, I love this discussion!
Edited by alexanderlens on 26-09-2012 19:07
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 26-09-2012 19:06
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Purito, Sánchez and Voeckler busts? Really?
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 26-09-2012 19:09
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I can't be bothered to read 6 pages, that's a pleb-job, so I'll just ask.
From what I saw fro the first page you are talking about riders who were huge talents but only turned out to be "kinda okey" riders. However, do you now of any riders who have REALLY bombed? Like a guy who was hailed as the next big thing, but who now is riding for some Bulgarian less-than-amateur team?
I remember a story from football; the youth team of Manchester United which consisted of players such as Butt, Giggs, Beckham, Scholes, etc. is still hailed as the best youth team of all time and 10 out of the 11 players all ended up world class players.
Except for one guy, who is now working as a plumber in Manchester.
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| alexanderlens |
Posted on 26-09-2012 19:09
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
Purito, Sánchez and Voeckler busts? Really?
Well, the first and second names, yes, they are stage racers, and they never won a GT. But, I don't think they are real busts, they just didn't to were they were hired for.
Thirt, Voeckler: great breakaway rider, but no way close to stage racing top. The French papers made him a Stage racer, but on that thing, I would call him a bust. You don't have to agree, as long as you keep on the discussion!
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| alexanderlens |
Posted on 26-09-2012 19:10
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cactus-jack wrote:
I can't be bothered to read 6 pages, that's a pleb-job, so I'll just ask.
From what I saw fro the first page you are talking about riders who were huge talents but only turned out to be "kinda okey" riders. However, do you now of any riders who have REALLY bombed? Like a guy who was hailed as the next big thing, but who now is riding for some Bulgarian less-than-amateur team?
I remember a story from football; the youth team of Manchester United which consisted of players such as Butt, Giggs, Beckham, Scholes, etc. is still hailed as the best youth team of all time and 10 out of the 11 players all ended up world class players.
Except for one guy, who is now working as a plumber in Manchester.
Miha Svab.
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| depeche92 |
Posted on 26-09-2012 19:11
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alexanderlens wrote:
I don't judge riders by there results, I judge them by how they ride there races. Never saw Felline in front at a big race this year.
He almost won a stage in the Giro, he won appennino and memorial pantani at the age of 22. At that age Talansky was still riding Tour De L'Avenir |
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| alexanderlens |
Posted on 26-09-2012 19:13
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depeche92 wrote:
alexanderlens wrote:
I don't judge riders by there results, I judge them by how they ride there races. Never saw Felline in front at a big race this year.
He almost won a stage in the Giro, he won appennino and memorial pantani at the age of 22. At that age Talansky was still riding Tour De L'Avenir
Wich Talansky won. And Gesink nearly won 2009's vuelta... Does that count? No way.
Appennino and Memorial Pantani are local itallian races without big riders who are not italian.
Edited by alexanderlens on 26-09-2012 19:14
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 26-09-2012 19:16
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alexanderlens wrote:
Pellizotti2 wrote:
Purito, Sánchez and Voeckler busts? Really?
Well, the first and second names, yes, they are stage racers, and they never won a GT. But, I don't think they are real busts, they just didn't to were they were hired for.
Thirt, Voeckler: great breakaway rider, but no way close to stage racing top. The French papers made him a Stage racer, but on that thing, I would call him a bust. You don't have to agree, as long as you keep on the discussion!
So you're saying that if you're a stage racer who've never won a GT, you're a bust? If that's your serious opinion, then I'm just shocked. Nothing more to say. 
Voeckler then. Four stage wins, polkadot jersey winner and fourth overall at the TDF. Just those results are far better than a lot of riders ever achieve. And apart from that, he has tons of stage wins, GC victories and one day race victories. I fail to understand how you can see him as a bust.
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 26-09-2012 19:19
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You people have absolutely no comprehension of what a "bust" is. Are there actually people in here who consider riders like Voeckler to have failed completely?
By this logic, the only rider to not have failed completely is Merckx.
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| alexanderlens |
Posted on 26-09-2012 19:19
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
So you're saying that if you're a stage racer who've never won a GT, you're a bust? If that's your serious opinion, then I'm just shocked. Nothing more to say.
Voeckler then. Four stage wins, polkadot jersey winner and fourth overall at the TDF. Just those results are far better than a lot of riders ever achieve. And apart from that, he has tons of stage wins, GC victories and one day race victories. I fail to understand how you can see him as a bust. Breakaway results doesn't count in my opinion. Look at Bakelandts at page 3 or 4.
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 26-09-2012 19:20
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cactus-jack wrote:
By this logic, the only rider to not have failed completely is Merckx.
And Danny Pate. You don't mess with him.
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| alexanderlens |
Posted on 26-09-2012 19:21
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cactus-jack wrote:
You people have absolutely no comprehension of what a "bust" is. Are there actually people in here who consider riders like Voeckler to have failed completely?
By this logic, the only rider to not have failed completely is Merckx.
That's right. That's what I ment. Oh, don't forget Gesink in you list. No, what I try to say, is that riders who started their carreer as the next GT winner, Roubaix winner, LBL winner etc. and who never achieved it, that are busts in my opinion.
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 26-09-2012 19:23
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alexanderlens wrote:
Breakaway results doesn't count in my opinion.
That's a ridiculous argument, in my opinion.
Why shouldn't they count? Also, at what point does a long-range attack count as a breakaway to you? Didn't Schleck's Galibier solo ride from last year count according to you? Did Contador win this year's Vuelta in a way that doesn't count?
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| depeche92 |
Posted on 26-09-2012 19:24
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alexanderlens wrote:
depeche92 wrote:
alexanderlens wrote:
I don't judge riders by there results, I judge them by how they ride there races. Never saw Felline in front at a big race this year.
He almost won a stage in the Giro, he won appennino and memorial pantani at the age of 22. At that age Talansky was still riding Tour De L'Avenir
Wich Talansky won. And Gesink nearly won 2009's vuelta... Does that count? No way.
Appennino and Memorial Pantani are local itallian races without big riders who are not italian.
Actually Quintana won that edition |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 26-09-2012 19:25
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alexanderlens wrote:
Voeckler then. Four stage wins, polkadot jersey winner and fourth overall at the TDF. Just those results are far better than a lot of riders ever achieve. And apart from that, he has tons of stage wins, GC victories and one day race victories. I fail to understand how you can see him as a bust. Breakaway results doesn't count in my opinion. Look at Bakelandts at page 3 or 4.
4th thanks to a breakaway, 6th without.
For somebody who's never been considered a GC rider (definitely not on three weeks at least), it's not that bad, eh ? |
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| alexanderlens |
Posted on 26-09-2012 19:26
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
alexanderlens wrote:
Breakaway results doesn't count in my opinion.
That's a ridiculous argument, in my opinion.
Why shouldn't they count? Also, at what point does a long-range attack count as a breakaway to you? Didn't Schleck's Galibier solo ride from last year count according to you? Did Contador win this year's Vuelta in a way that doesn't count?
Well, I mean that breakaway GC results doesn't count. And I have no idea what to say about the schleck argument, except: It was a nice victory...
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 26-09-2012 19:26
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
So you're saying that if you're a stage racer who've never won a GT, you're a bust? If that's your serious opinion, then I'm just shocked. Nothing more to say.
Except for Gesink, he became fifth, which is a great achievement 
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 26-09-2012 19:27
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
alexanderlens wrote:
Breakaway results doesn't count in my opinion.
That's a ridiculous argument, in my opinion.
Why shouldn't they count? Also, at what point does a long-range attack count as a breakaway to you? Didn't Schleck's Galibier solo ride from last year count according to you? Did Contador win this year's Vuelta in a way that doesn't count? It counts if you like the guy, or if the guy is ownz, or rather if he pwnz. If he goes into a break, that's the sign he sucks major donkey dicks.
Yes, I'm using Ruben's language from a decade ago, so what ? |
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