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Posted on 28-07-2012 10:11

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The AI indeed seems to be good with the new patch 1.3.0.0.

Just made two tests. First with the official release and second with the PCM Daily DB.
I played the same stage with the same tactic. Had NetApp in the Giro to see how the AI reacts on on their own.

Played stage: 06.live-radsport.ch/thumb_uc_191418_506_Hoehenprofil_Giro_dItalia_2012_-_Etappe_19.jpg

Official release / (PCM Daily)

Start:
198 riders

Passo Manghen:
Peloton 143 riders (139 riders)

First finish cross Pampeago:
Peloton 60 riders (105 riders)

Top Pampeago:
Peloton 22 riders, 19 closely behind including Samu Sanchez as best
(15 riders, 60 close behind)

Lavaze:
Peloton Just the 7 best riders. 30s later a group of 10 and another 30s later the former group of 19 splitted into 1-3 rider groups
(Nibali attack, 15 behind, other riders still chasing behind to find contact again)

5km:
(Nibali - Evans,Wiggins,Gesink - 5 - 5 - 1 - 1 - 39)

3km: Wiggins/Schleck ahead. Group of 6 41s later, group of 9 2min behind the duo.
(Gesink falls back. Nibali - 2 - 1 - 1 - 10 - 1 - 38)

Finish: Official release

Spoiler

1	AndrÃ© Stark	Radiocash - Sun	6h02'00
2	Bradley Wiggins	Sky Pro Cycling	s.t.
3	Franco Stark	Radiocash - Sun	+ 1'41
4	John Gadret	Ag2r La Mondiale	+ 2'04
5	Cape Erwans	COM Cycling Team	s.t.
6	Chris Froome	Sky Pro Cycling	s.t.
7	Jurgen Van den Broeck	Lotto Belisol	s.t.
8	Domenico Pozzovivo	Colnago - CSF Inox	+ 2'38
9	Roman Kreuziger	Astana Pro Team	+ 4'29
10	Samuel SÃ¡nchez	Euskaltel Euskadi	s.t.
11	Michele Scarponi	Lampre-ISD	+ 4'37
12	Ivan Basso	Liquigas-Cannondale	s.t.
13	Ryan Hispedal	Gamin - Gouda	s.t.
14	Thibaut Pinot	FDJ-BigMat	s.t.
15	Daniel Moreno	Katusha Team	s.t.
16	Jose Rijano	Androni Giocattoli-Venezuela	s.t.
17	Hubert Dupont	Ag2r La Mondiale	s.t.
18	Damiano Cunego	Lampre-ISD	+ 6'56
19	Thomas De Gendt	Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team	s.t.
20	David Arroyo	Movistar Team	+ 7'46
21	Robert Kiserlovski	Astana Pro Team	s.t.
22	Mikel Nieve	Euskaltel Euskadi	+ 11'25
23	Rui Costa	Movistar Team	+ 11'54
24	Gianluca Brambilla	Colnago - CSF Inox	s.t.
25	Rigoberto Uran	Sky Pro Cycling	s.t.
26	Steven Kruijswijk	Rabobank Cycling Team	s.t.
27	Yohan Choppin	COM Cycling Team	+ 12'29
28	Janez Brajkovic	Astana Pro Team	s.t.
29	Giampaolo Caruso	Katusha Team	s.t.
30	Sylvester Szmyd	Liquigas-Cannondale	+ 12'47
31	Eros Capecchi	Liquigas-Cannondale	s.t.
32	Levi Loipheimer	O'Mega Forme - Tax	s.t.
33	Arnold Jeannesson	FDJ-BigMat	s.t.
34	Nairo Quintana	Movistar Team	s.t.
35	Wout Poels	Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team	+ 13'24
36	Dario Cotaldo	O'Mega Forme - Tax	s.t.
37	Paolo Tiralongo	Astana Pro Team	s.t.
38	Emanuele Solla	Androni Giocattoli-Venezuela	s.t.
39	Sergio Luis Henao	Sky Pro Cycling	s.t.
40	Christophe Riblon	Ag2r La Mondiale	s.t.
41	Jan Fogsand	Radiocash - Sun	+ 13'44
42	Oli Zogg	Radiocash - Sun	+ 14'16
43	Mauro Pinerolli	COM Cycling Team	+ 14'24
44	Francesco Masciarelli	Astana Pro Team	s.t.
45	Stevie Monravito	COM Cycling Team	s.t.
46	Max Comfort	Radiocash - Sun	+ 14'35
47	Tri Manchado	Radiocash - Sun	+ 15'07
48	Simon Spilak	Katusha Team	+ 15'21
49	JosÃ© Sarpa	Androni Giocattoli-Venezuela	+ 15'28
50	Rob Ruijgh	Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team	+ 15'37
51	Chris Anker SÃ¸rensen	Team Saxo Bank	+ 15'44
52	Kevin Da Weert	O'Mega Forme - Tax	s.t.
53	Johnny Hoogerland	Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team	s.t.
54	Fredrik Kessiakoff	Astana Pro Team	s.t.
55	Sandy Casar	FDJ-BigMat	s.t.
56	Bartosz Huzarski	Team NetApp	+ 16'05
57	Daniel Navarro Garcia	Team Saxo Bank	s.t.
58	RubÃ©n Plaza	Movistar Team	s.t.
59	Kanstantsin Siutsou	Sky Pro Cycling	+ 16'21
60	Matthy Frunky	COM Cycling Team	s.t.
61	Matteo Carrara	Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team	+ 16'34
62	RÃ©mi Pauriol	FDJ-BigMat	s.t.
63	Marzio Bruseghin	Movistar Team	+ 17'08
64	Pablo Lastras	Movistar Team	s.t.
65	Leonardo Bertagnolli	Lampre-ISD	s.t.
66	BeÃ±at Intxausti	Movistar Team	+ 17'33
67	Laurens Ten Dam	Rabobank Cycling Team	s.t.
68	Pieter Weening	Orica-GreenEDGE	+ 18'10
69	Egoi MartÃnez	Euskaltel Euskadi	+ 18'19
70	Morris Possoni	Lampre-ISD	s.t.
71	Luca Mazzanti	Farnese Vini Selle Italia	s.t.
72	Wilco Kelderman	Rabobank Cycling Team	+ 18'37
73	Lainus Gordoman	Radiocash - Sun	s.t.
74	Sergio Paulinho	Team Saxo Bank	s.t.
75	Yanick Booklands	Radiocash - Sun	s.t.
76	Vladimir Gusev	Katusha Team	s.t.
77	Amets Txurruka	Euskaltel Euskadi	s.t.
78	Vasil Kiryienka	Movistar Team	s.t.
79	Cameron Meyer	Orica-GreenEDGE	s.t.
80	Marco Marzano	Lampre-ISD	s.t.
81	Blel Kadri	Ag2r La Mondiale	s.t.
82	Dries Dovenyns	O'Mega Forme - Tax	+ 18'59
83	Simone Stortoni	Lampre-ISD	s.t.
84	Dave Maller	Gamin - Gouda	s.t.
85	Volodimir Gustov	Team Saxo Bank	s.t.
86	Bart De Clercq	Lotto Belisol	s.t.
87	Juan Manuel GÃ¡rate	Rabobank Cycling Team	s.t.
88	Daniele Pietropolli	Lampre-ISD	s.t.
89	Miguel Angel Ribiano	Androni Giocattoli-Venezuela	s.t.
90	Sergey Lagutin	Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team	s.t.
91	Yury Trofimov	Katusha Team	s.t.
92	Stefano Pirazzi	Colnago - CSF Inox	s.t.
93	Carlos JosÃ© Ochua	Androni Giocattoli-Venezuela	s.t.
94	Ion Izagirre	Euskaltel Euskadi	s.t.
95	Bruno Pires	Team Saxo Bank	+ 19'30
96	Mikel Landa	Euskaltel Euskadi	s.t.
97	Diego Ulissi	Lampre-ISD	s.t.
98	Alexsandr Dyachenko	Astana Pro Team	+ 19'43
99	Thomas LÃ¶fkvist	Sky Pro Cycling	s.t.
100	Lars Petter Nordhaug	Sky Pro Cycling	+ 19'59
101	Carlos Barredo	Rabobank Cycling Team	+ 23'57
102	Serge Piuwels	O'Mega Forme - Tax	+ 24'11
103	Filippo Savini	Colnago - CSF Inox	+ 24'22
104	Fabien Wiggoman	Gamin - Gouda	s.t.
105	Gorka Verdugo	Euskaltel Euskadi	s.t.
106	Christophe Vanderveulen	Gamin - Gouda	s.t.
107	Francis De Greef	Lotto Belisol	s.t.
108	Miguel Minguez	Euskaltel Euskadi	s.t.
109	Maxime Bouet	Ag2r La Mondiale	s.t.
110	Cayetano Jose Sarmiento	Liquigas-Cannondale	s.t.
111	JÃ¼rgen Van De Walle	Lotto Belisol	s.t.
112	Christian Knees	Sky Pro Cycling	s.t.
113	Chris Lo Moval	Gamin - Gouda	s.t.
114	Andy Tankaskoy	Gamin - Gouda	s.t.
115	Leonardo Giordani	Farnese Vini Selle Italia	+ 25'16
116	Xavier Florencio	Katusha Team	+ 25'59
117	Joost Van Leijen	Lotto Belisol	+ 27'29
118	Svein Tuft	Orica-GreenEDGE	+ 28'00
119	Frederik Willems	Lotto Belisol	+ 28'19
120	Mikel Astarloza	Euskaltel Euskadi	+ 30'52
121	Piet Stathena	Gamin - Gouda	s.t.
122	Pierrick FÃ©drigo	FDJ-BigMat	s.t.
123	Przemyslaw Niemiec	Lampre-ISD	s.t.
124	JÃ©rÃ©my Roy	FDJ-BigMat	s.t.
125	Kenny Elissonde	FDJ-BigMat	s.t.
126	GaÃ«tan Bille	Lotto Belisol	s.t.
127	Ãngel Vicioso	Katusha Team	+ 32'55
128	Dominik Nerz	Liquigas-Cannondale	s.t.
129	Romain Bardet	Ag2r La Mondiale	s.t.
130	Nikita Novikov	Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team	s.t.
131	Nicki SÃ¸rensen	Team Saxo Bank	s.t.
132	Lars Ytting Bak	Lotto Belisol	+ 33'12
133	Danilo Buenattini	Radiocash - Sun	s.t.
134	Damiano Caruso	Liquigas-Cannondale	+ 34'12
135	Moreno Moser	Liquigas-Cannondale	s.t.
136	Bram Tankink	Rabobank Cycling Team	s.t.
137	Riccardo Chaarini	Androni Giocattoli-Venezuela	s.t.
138	Andrey Zeits	Astana Pro Team	s.t.
139	Fabio Folline	Androni Giocattoli-Venezuela	s.t.
140	Valerio Agnoli	Liquigas-Cannondale	s.t.
141	Luca Ascani	Farnese Vini Selle Italia	s.t.
142	Jackson Ridriguez	Androni Giocattoli-Venezuela	s.t.
143	Alexandre Vinokourov	Astana Pro Team	s.t.
144	AmzraÃ«l Moineau	COM Cycling Team	s.t.
145	Gustav Larsson	Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team	s.t.
146	Yonnatta Mensalve	Androni Giocattoli-Venezuela	s.t.
147	Stef Clement	Rabobank Cycling Team	s.t.
148	Enrico Battaglin	Colnago - CSF Inox	s.t.
149	Martin Elmiger	Ag2r La Mondiale	s.t.
150	Guillaume Bonnafond	Ag2r La Mondiale	s.t.
151	JosÃ© Joaquin Rojas Gil	Movistar Team	s.t.
152	Arthur Vichot	FDJ-BigMat	s.t.
153	Geraint Thomas	Sky Pro Cycling	s.t.
154	Ben Gastauer	Ag2r La Mondiale	s.t.
155	Marcel Wyss	Team NetApp	+ 35'17
156	Steve Cannings	COM Cycling Team	+ 38'05
157	Matteo Tosatto	Team Saxo Bank	s.t.
158	Jussi Veikkanen	FDJ-BigMat	s.t.
159	Zdenek Stybir	O'Mega Forme - Tax	s.t.
160	Simon Clarke	Orica-GreenEDGE	s.t.
161	Mitchell Docker	Orica-GreenEDGE	s.t.
162	Daniele Ratto	Liquigas-Cannondale	s.t.
163	Tor Hushaved	COM Cycling Team	s.t.
164	Robbie Honker	Gamin - Gouda	s.t.
165	Stefano Locatelli	Colnago - CSF Inox	s.t.
166	Michael Albasini	Orica-GreenEDGE	+ 41'27
167	Tomas Vaitkus	Orica-GreenEDGE	s.t.
168	Marco Samtomgogo	COM Cycling Team	s.t.
169	Davide Ricci Bitti	Farnese Vini Selle Italia	s.t.
170	Aleksandr Kuschynski	Katusha Team	s.t.
171	Francesco Failli	Farnese Vini Selle Italia	s.t.
172	Oscar Gatto	Farnese Vini Selle Italia	s.t.
173	JÃ©rÃ´me Peneau	O'Mega Forme - Tax	+ 41'51
174	David Tanner	Team Saxo Bank	s.t.
175	Daryl Impey	Orica-GreenEDGE	s.t.
176	Alfredo Balloni	Farnese Vini Selle Italia	s.t.
177	Oscar Freire	Katusha Team	s.t.
178	Alberto Contoli	Colnago - CSF Inox	s.t.
179	Marco Marcato	Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team	s.t.
180	AndrÃ© Greipel	Lotto Belisol	s.t.
181	Reto Hollenstein	Team NetApp	+ 43'10
182	Leopold KÃ¶nig	Team NetApp	+ 47'53
183	Jan Barta	Team NetApp	s.t.
184	JÃ©rÃ´me Baugnies	Team NetApp	s.t.
185	Andreas Schillinger	Team NetApp	+ 48'18
186	Andrea Piechele	Colnago - CSF Inox	+ 49'24
187	Elia Favilli	Farnese Vini Selle Italia	s.t.
188	Stijn Vondenbergh	O'Mega Forme - Tax	s.t.
189	Sacha Modolo	Colnago - CSF Inox	s.t.
190	Tyler Fourure	Gamin - Gouda	s.t.
191	Graeme Brown	Rabobank Cycling Team	s.t.
192	Mark Renshaw	Rabobank Cycling Team	s.t.
193	Gert Stoegmans	O'Mega Forme - Tax	+ 53'14
194	Juan JosÃ© Haedo	Team Saxo Bank	s.t.
195	Jens Keukeleire	Orica-GreenEDGE	s.t.
196	Andrea Guardini	Farnese Vini Selle Italia	s.t.
197	Andreas Dietziker	Team NetApp	+ 56'15

Finish PCM Daily:

Spoiler

1	Vincenzo Nibali	Liquigas - Cannondale	6h19'34
2	Cadel Evans	BMC Racing Team	+ 38
3	Bradley Wiggins	Sky Procycling	s.t.
4	Robert Gesink	Rabobank Cycling Team	+ 2'18
5	Ivan Basso	Liquigas - Cannondale	+ 3'54
6	Domenico Pozzovivo	Colnago - CSF Inox	s.t.
7	Michele Scarponi	Lampre - ISD	s.t.
8	Damiano Cunego	Lampre - ISD	+ 4'10
9	Mikel Nieve	Euskaltel - Euskadi	s.t.
10	Alejandro Valverde	Movistar Team	+ 4'26
11	Sergio Henao	Sky Procycling	+ 4'58
12	Franco Pellizotti	Androni Giocattoli - Venezuela	s.t.
13	Ryder Hesjedal	Garmin - Sharp	s.t.
14	Steven Kruijswijk	Rabobank Cycling Team	s.t.
15	John Gadret	AG2R La Mondiale	+ 5'18
16	Roman Kreuziger	Astana Pro Team	s.t.
17	Nairo Quintana	Movistar Team	+ 5'56
18	Tom Danielson	Garmin - Sharp	+ 6'03
19	Jakob Fuglsang	RadioShack - Nissan	s.t.
20	Jelle Vanendert	Lotto Belisol Team	+ 6'46
21	Thomas De Gendt	Vacansoleil - DCM Pro Cycling Team	s.t.
22	Rigoberto UrÃ¡n	Sky Procycling	s.t.
23	JosÃ© Rujano	Androni Giocattoli - Venezuela	s.t.
24	Daniel Martin	Garmin - Sharp	s.t.
25	Chris Horner	RadioShack - Nissan	s.t.
26	Thibaut Pinot	FDJ - BigMat	s.t.
27	Christophe Le MÃ©vel	Garmin - Sharp	s.t.
28	Chris Anker SÃ¸rensen	Team Saxo Bank - Tinkoff Bank	s.t.
29	Daniel Moreno	Katusha Team	s.t.
30	Matteo Rabottini	Farnese Vini - Selle Italia	s.t.
31	Robert Kiserlovski	Astana Pro Team	s.t.
32	Simon Spilak	Katusha Team	s.t.
33	Denis Menchov	Katusha Team	s.t.
34	Giampaolo Caruso	Katusha Team	s.t.
35	Wout Poels	Vacansoleil - DCM Pro Cycling Team	s.t.
36	Matteo Carrara	Vacansoleil - DCM Pro Cycling Team	s.t.
37	Arnold Jeannesson	FDJ - BigMat	s.t.
38	Dario Cataldo	Omega Pharma - QuickÂ·Step Cycling Team	s.t.
39	Vasil Kiryienka	Movistar Team	s.t.
40	Marzio Bruseghin	Movistar Team	+ 7'30
41	Luis LeÃ³n SÃ¡nchez	Rabobank Cycling Team	s.t.
42	Kenny Elissonde	FDJ - BigMat	s.t.
43	RubÃ©n Plaza	Movistar Team	+ 7'54
44	Daniel Navarro	Team Saxo Bank - Tinkoff Bank	s.t.
45	Vladimir Karpets	Movistar Team	s.t.
46	Hubert Dupont	AG2R La Mondiale	s.t.
47	Paolo Tiralongo	Astana Pro Team	s.t.
48	Tiago Machado	RadioShack - Nissan	s.t.
49	Marco Pinotti	BMC Racing Team	s.t.
50	Gianluca Brambilla	Colnago - CSF Inox	s.t.
51	Tom Slagter	Rabobank Cycling Team	s.t.
52	Damiano Caruso	Liquigas - Cannondale	s.t.
53	Przemyslaw Niemiec	Lampre - ISD	s.t.
54	Yaroslav Popovych	RadioShack - Nissan	+ 8'44
55	Leonardo Bertagnolli	Lampre - ISD	+ 8'54
56	Blel Kadri	AG2R La Mondiale	+ 11'17
57	Pavel Brutt	Katusha Team	s.t.
58	Dries Devenyns	Omega Pharma - QuickÂ·Step Cycling Team	s.t.
59	Pablo Lastras	Movistar Team	s.t.
60	Alexandre Vinokourov	Astana Pro Team	s.t.
61	Sandy Casar	FDJ - BigMat	s.t.
62	Kevin De Weert	Omega Pharma - QuickÂ·Step Cycling Team	s.t.
63	Mikel Astarloza	Euskaltel - Euskadi	s.t.
64	Michael Rogers	Sky Procycling	s.t.
65	Yury Trofimov	Katusha Team	s.t.
66	Kanstantsin Siutsou	Sky Procycling	s.t.
67	Luca Ascani	Farnese Vini - Selle Italia	s.t.
68	Bruno Pires	Team Saxo Bank - Tinkoff Bank	s.t.
69	Richie Porte	Sky Procycling	s.t.
70	Diego Ulissi	Lampre - ISD	s.t.
71	David Zabriskie	Garmin - Sharp	+ 11'58
72	Lars Petter Nordhaug	Sky Procycling	s.t.
73	Nicolas Roche	AG2R La Mondiale	s.t.
74	Laurens Ten Dam	Rabobank Cycling Team	s.t.
75	Dominik Nerz	Liquigas - Cannondale	s.t.
76	Wilco Kelderman	Rabobank Cycling Team	s.t.
77	Steve Morabito	BMC Racing Team	+ 13'45
78	Morris Possoni	Lampre - ISD	+ 13'52
79	Rob Ruijgh	Vacansoleil - DCM Pro Cycling Team	+ 17'17
80	Tony Gallopin	RadioShack - Nissan	s.t.
81	Amets Txurruka	Euskaltel - Euskadi	s.t.
82	Sylwester Szmyd	Liquigas - Cannondale	s.t.
83	Christian Knees	Sky Procycling	+ 17'33
84	Christian Vande Velde	Garmin - Sharp	s.t.
85	Stefano Pirazzi	Colnago - CSF Inox	s.t.
86	Cayetano Sarmiento	Liquigas - Cannondale	s.t.
87	JosÃ© Serpa	Androni Giocattoli - Venezuela	s.t.
88	Eduard Vorganov	Katusha Team	s.t.
89	Serge Pauwels	Omega Pharma - QuickÂ·Step Cycling Team	s.t.
90	Matteo Montaguti	AG2R La Mondiale	s.t.
91	Eros Capecchi	Liquigas - Cannondale	s.t.
92	Tanel Kangert	Astana Pro Team	s.t.
93	Daniele Pietropolli	Lampre - ISD	s.t.
94	Rafael Valls	Vacansoleil - DCM Pro Cycling Team	s.t.
95	Alexsandr Dyachenko	Astana Pro Team	s.t.
96	Andrew Talansky	Garmin - Sharp	s.t.
97	Pieter Weening	Orica - GreenEdge	s.t.
98	Francis De Greef	Lotto Belisol Team	s.t.
99	Egoi MartÃnez	Euskaltel - Euskadi	s.t.
100	Matthias Frank	BMC Racing Team	s.t.
101	Johann Tschopp	BMC Racing Team	s.t.
102	Miguel Rubiano	Androni Giocattoli - Venezuela	s.t.
103	AmaÃ«l Moinard	BMC Racing Team	+ 19'03
104	Mauro Santambrogio	BMC Racing Team	+ 19'59
105	Grischa Niermann	Rabobank Cycling Team	+ 20'09
106	Winner Anacona	Lampre - ISD	+ 24'08
107	Bart De Clercq	Lotto Belisol Team	+ 26'27
108	Thomas Peterson	Garmin - Sharp	+ 27'17
109	JÃ©rÃ©my Roy	FDJ - BigMat	+ 27'24
110	Carlos Barredo	Rabobank Cycling Team	+ 27'31
111	Cameron Meyer	Orica - GreenEdge	s.t.
112	Romain Sicard	Euskaltel - Euskadi	+ 27'46
113	Kristjan Koren	Liquigas - Cannondale	+ 29'54
114	Pablo Urtasun	Euskaltel - Euskadi	+ 32'32
115	Ãngel Vicioso	Katusha Team	s.t.
116	Johnny Hoogerland	Vacansoleil - DCM Pro Cycling Team	s.t.
117	Maxime Bouet	AG2R La Mondiale	s.t.
118	Emanuele Sella	Androni Giocattoli - Venezuela	s.t.
119	David Millar	Garmin - Sharp	s.t.
120	Riccardo Chiarini	Androni Giocattoli - Venezuela	s.t.
121	Marco Marzano	Lampre - ISD	s.t.
122	Stephen Cummings	BMC Racing Team	+ 33'01
123	Kevin Seeldraeyers	Astana Pro Team	+ 34'33
124	Sergey Lagutin	Vacansoleil - DCM Pro Cycling Team	s.t.
125	Francesco Failli	Farnese Vini - Selle Italia	+ 34'42
126	Ion Izagirre	Euskaltel - Euskadi	s.t.
127	Linus Gerdemann	RadioShack - Nissan	s.t.
128	Francesco Masciarelli	Astana Pro Team	s.t.
129	SÃ©rgio Paulinho	Team Saxo Bank - Tinkoff Bank	s.t.
130	Giovanni Visconti	Movistar Team	s.t.
131	Oliver Zaugg	RadioShack - Nissan	s.t.
132	RÃ©mi Pauriol	FDJ - BigMat	s.t.
133	Michal Golas	Omega Pharma - QuickÂ·Step Cycling Team	s.t.
134	Gorka Izagirre	Euskaltel - Euskadi	s.t.
135	Mikel Landa	Euskaltel - Euskadi	s.t.
136	JesÃºs HernÃ¡ndez	Team Saxo Bank - Tinkoff Bank	s.t.
137	Alessandro Bertolini	Androni Giocattoli - Venezuela	s.t.
138	Gustav Erik Larsson	Vacansoleil - DCM Pro Cycling Team	s.t.
139	Luca Mazzanti	Farnese Vini - Selle Italia	s.t.
140	Sylvain Georges	AG2R La Mondiale	s.t.
141	Stefano Locatelli	Colnago - CSF Inox	s.t.
142	Enrico Battaglin	Colnago - CSF Inox	s.t.
143	Marcus Burghardt	BMC Racing Team	s.t.
144	Moreno Moser	Liquigas - Cannondale	s.t.
145	Marco Coledan	Colnago - CSF Inox	s.t.
146	Thomas Rohregger	RadioShack - Nissan	s.t.
147	Filippo Savini	Colnago - CSF Inox	+ 35'36
148	Jackson RodrÃguez	Androni Giocattoli - Venezuela	s.t.
149	Bartosz Huzarski	Team NetApp	s.t.
150	Carlos JosÃ© Ochoa	Androni Giocattoli - Venezuela	+ 35'48
151	Leopold KÃ¶nig	Team NetApp	+ 43'32
152	Stijn Devolder	Vacansoleil - DCM Pro Cycling Team	+ 46'06
153	Nicki SÃ¸rensen	Team Saxo Bank - Tinkoff Bank	s.t.
154	Kristof Vandewalle	Omega Pharma - QuickÂ·Step Cycling Team	s.t.
155	Stuart O'Grady	Orica - GreenEdge	s.t.
156	Gianni Meersman	Lotto Belisol Team	s.t.
157	Luke Durbridge	Orica - GreenEdge	s.t.
158	JÃ©rÃ´me Pineau	Omega Pharma - QuickÂ·Step Cycling Team	s.t.
159	MikaÃ«l ChÃ©rel	AG2R La Mondiale	s.t.
160	Alfredo Balloni	Farnese Vini - Selle Italia	s.t.
161	Laurent Didier	RadioShack - Nissan	s.t.
162	BenjamÃn Noval	Team Saxo Bank - Tinkoff Bank	s.t.
163	Brian Bulgac	Lotto Belisol Team	+ 46'41
164	Volodymir Gustov	Team Saxo Bank - Tinkoff Bank	s.t.
165	JÃ¼rgen Van de Walle	Lotto Belisol Team	s.t.
166	Christian Meier	Orica - GreenEdge	s.t.
167	Leonardo Giordani	Farnese Vini - Selle Italia	s.t.
168	Zdenek Stybar	Omega Pharma - QuickÂ·Step Cycling Team	s.t.
169	Rafal Majka	Team Saxo Bank - Tinkoff Bank	s.t.
170	Enrico Gasparotto	Astana Pro Team	s.t.
171	Daniel Teklehaimanot	Orica - GreenEdge	s.t.
172	Simon Clarke	Orica - GreenEdge	s.t.
173	Matteo Trentin	Omega Pharma - QuickÂ·Step Cycling Team	s.t.
174	Elia Favilli	Farnese Vini - Selle Italia	s.t.
175	Frederik Willems	Lotto Belisol Team	s.t.
176	Martin Elmiger	AG2R La Mondiale	s.t.
177	Jussi Veikkanen	FDJ - BigMat	s.t.
178	Filippo Pozzato	Farnese Vini - Selle Italia	s.t.
179	Steve Chainel	FDJ - BigMat	s.t.
180	Davide Ricci Bitti	Farnese Vini - Selle Italia	s.t.
181	Arthur Vichot	FDJ - BigMat	+ 47'09
182	Francisco JosÃ© Ventoso	Movistar Team	s.t.
183	Xavier Florencio	Katusha Team	s.t.
184	Tomas Vaitkus	Orica - GreenEdge	s.t.
185	Nicola Boem	Colnago - CSF Inox	s.t.
186	AndrÃ© Greipel	Lotto Belisol Team	s.t.
187	Sonny Colbrelli	Colnago - CSF Inox	s.t.
188	Mark Cavendish	Sky Procycling	s.t.
189	Daryl Impey	Orica - GreenEdge	s.t.
190	Jan Barta	Team NetApp	s.t.
191	Joost Van Leijen	Lotto Belisol Team	+ 47'44

So in both races lots of selections. In the Cyanide DB maybe a bit more but the AI was good in both cases I think.
Results very similar. Only the groups from the 20th are bigger with PCM Daily.

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#106

Posted on 28-07-2012 10:22

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That sounds great, so hopefully Cyanide made some AI improvoments..

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Posted on 28-07-2012 12:39

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So it seems the AI is back to normal - great!

Looking forward to trying it out myself.

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Posted on 28-07-2012 12:47

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That sounds really nice, if this is true than it's actually really fun to play.
I will try it later today.

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#109

Posted on 28-07-2012 17:28

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Does the difference between career mode AI and stage race AI still exist?

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Posted on 28-07-2012 18:19

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What the hell, I played the Tour stage to La Toussuire and I have the same old problem: too much riders in the same group at the last climb.
Hopefully it's better in career mode otherwise I think I'm going to play PCM 2011 again.

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Posted on 28-07-2012 18:22

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Check if you have passive AI in multiplayers activated

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Posted on 28-07-2012 18:29

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It was activated. Must I turn it off?

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Posted on 28-07-2012 18:38

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PCM rulezz wrote:
What the hell, I played the Tour stage to La Toussuire and I have the same old problem: too much riders in the same group at the last climb.
Hopefully it's better in career mode otherwise I think I'm going to play PCM 2011 again.

I'm not alone is this, unfortunately

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Posted on 28-07-2012 18:54

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PCM rulezz wrote:
It was activated. Must I turn it off?

I turned it off and played the stage again and there was still a big(ger) group at the finish. I don't know what I have to do to fix it (if it's even possible).

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#115

Posted on 28-07-2012 19:14

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In older PCM`s the multiplayer passive AI was also for singleplayer for some reason.

So I guess it might be the same for PCM12. I always deactivate it to have active AI in all race modes.

What DB are you playing?

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Posted on 28-07-2012 19:18

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I have tried with 2 databases: PCM daily and RSM database. Both are messed up. I'm currently re-installing PCM 2011. But thanks for the help anyway.
I'm sick of PCM 2012

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Posted on 28-07-2012 19:20

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Are you just playing Single Race? Its better in Career Mode.

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Posted on 28-07-2012 19:24

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A played a single races. Are the results from Roturn also single race or career?

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