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| emmea90 |
Posted on 11-10-2011 10:23
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
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100 km of chrono is not "balcanced" in my opinion
In the Armstrong / Pantani Cycling perhaps, in modern races 10/20 km crono = 3/4 hc summit finish.
Giro 2011 was "balanced". Contador gained half @ crono and half @ mountains 
Modern=boring for me, concerning the cycling races 
Ok, so if you want selection
1) no radio
2) Team of maximum 5 riders
There is no chance to do it. The best line stage is the stage where riders arrive one by one... and you have to do something like gardeccia to have it now because the level between riders is quite the same, the difference are less than in the past
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| Zanci93 |
Posted on 11-10-2011 10:59
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I'm really disappointed about the tdf 2012! I can say that i'm not a fan of long ITT. I think a TTT is more interesting to watch at.
At least one of the Schlecks should concentrate on the Giro. It's time that they win a GT. And with next years tdf route I can't see a chance for them |
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| Rin |
Posted on 11-10-2011 11:43
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Just wait for the profiles?
I think they have several medium stages but are labelled as "flat"
Also I think it's good for Tony Martin maybe he can do a top 10 result if he manages to hang on at the mountain stages and minimize the loss of time there and will get the time back in the ITTs at least it could be an interesting TDF and maybe a very close one
TTTs are good to watch but it favours the best teams and so I think TTTs shouldn't be there, but a TTT would have done good for the Schlecks so they have to be aggressive on the mountains and not riding with someone as then they will lose
Evans showed this year what a encouraging ride is good for he won the TDF this year pretty much by himself
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| Zanci93 |
Posted on 11-10-2011 11:52
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TTTs are good to watch but it favours the best teams and so I think TTTs shouldn't be there, but a TTT would have done good for the Schlecks so they have to be aggressive on the mountains and not riding with someone as then they will lose
Yes that's true. But I think when you want to win a tdf you have to build a strong team around the leader and that's why i favour the ttt... |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 11-10-2011 14:48
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emmea wrote:
in modern races 10/20 km crono = 3/4 hc summit finish.
Lol wut? No, just no. In 3/4 HC summit finishes you can gain minutes, while in a <20km ITT there's no way to gain over 40/50 seconds back. Maybe a bit more than 1min your rival is total crap in TTs, but then, if he's that crap he should not be fighting for a GT win.
emmea wrote:Giro 2011 was "balanced". Contador gained half @ crono and half @ mountains
Hahahahahahaha. Good one.
Contador gained 42" on Nibbles and 52" on Scarponi on the ITT (which was under 30km after the change iirc). He won twice as much in the stage to Großglockner alone. TWICE. Even the combined time loss of Milano+Nevegal (although I'm talking about flat TTs only, I'm not much of a fan of MTTs) is smaller than the time loss in the Großglockner. And that not counting time bonuses.
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| Svam |
Posted on 11-10-2011 15:27
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"Giro 2011 was balanced" 
The only ITT was't even a regular one because it was raced the last day wiith the remaining energy. Compare Gadret's and Menchov's performances this day...
For me a balanced race is 6 high mountain stages, 3 MTF, and 2 ITTs (25+45 kms).
For 2012, I think that te Tour is more balanced even if less TTs kilometers would be better. The proof is that Schleck has still a chance in the Tour while in the Giro a rider like Leipheimer hasn't.
Furthermore, I can't approve an equivalence MTF = TT because it would mean that mountain stages with no mountain finishes doesn't count for GC and it's not true (cf Aprica, Grappa, Maurienne, Grand-Bornand...) |
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| Ragerod |
Posted on 11-10-2011 16:22
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There's no point in comparing how TTs and mountain stages match up because it depends on how they are raced. The climbers deserve a route with fewer big mountain stages if they are willing to soft pedal through an entire mountain range.
Personally I like the number of TT kilometres in this tour route but would prefer a couple more big mountain stages. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 11-10-2011 20:16
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| emmea90 |
Posted on 13-10-2011 21:39
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CrueTrue wrote:
Twitter quote:
"By my reckoning the 2012 Tour de France will have >1600km of transfers between stages."
You never answer me on twitter
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| issoisso |
Posted on 16-10-2011 15:05
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Giro route's been presented. I have two criticisms:
1. Too few ITT kms
2. Why go to Montelupone and not use the climb there? It's stupid
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 16-10-2011 16:07
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Kinda reminds me of the 2010 edition, start in the foreign with a prologue, two flat (and windy?) stages, then rest day, and a team time trial in the first day in Italy. |
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 16-10-2011 17:07
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The last week will be excellent, not over the moon though
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| issoisso |
Posted on 16-10-2011 17:21
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That reminds me, there's something else I dislike. The GC battle is only the last week.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 16-10-2011 18:41
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So the problems of the Zomegnan era (long transfers, too few TT kms and the tendency to make most mountain stages to be MTFs) are still there, and Acquarone's solution to make a 'more balanced' route was to put more pan flat stages (including one in the Dolomites!!!).
Meh.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 17-10-2011 09:54
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Great last week (especially last weekend stages), some boring stages two weeks prior to that and few TT kms again, so no surprises really.
I dont like pan- flat stages in Denmark, dont you guys have better terrain there?I am sure you have. Hopefully wind will bring some excitment, but not in terms of riders falling everywhere please
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| ponka00 |
Posted on 18-10-2011 12:26
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Love the 2012 Tour route. Some of the race profiles are available on their official site now. Not as flat as the leaked overview suggested
Stage 10 and 11 looking like they can create a lot of action if the riders are willing 
Edited by ponka00 on 18-10-2011 12:28
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 18-10-2011 12:41
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I don't care if the mountain stages suck. We finally got the 2 big time - trials back.
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| siwi |
Posted on 18-10-2011 12:45
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No Andy win? Im glad then. |
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| ponka00 |
Posted on 18-10-2011 12:47
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He wouldn't win either way I think. It seems that he always finds a way to loose the Tour |
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| schleck93 |
Posted on 18-10-2011 13:03
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Good news. Anyone remember the stage to Pau in 2010 where they rode over Peyresourde, Aspin, Tourmalet and Aubisque? They turned the stage around this year so that it ends in Bagneres-de-Luchon just after Peyresourde, instead of a 50 km flat at the finish.
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