Expansion Pack: Stat Discussion
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Rasmusen |
Posted on 25-07-2011 22:11
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hajk wrote:
thanks for your help, but you didnt get my point
I dont want a new cdb, because in this case I have to edit the ratings again...I am asking for a possibility to fix it by myself.
I guess I have to delete a line in the fast editor (mos def to delete that riders take place in the Tour de l'Ain race) or in lachis editor but I cannot find that line and thats my problem
Think you have to make a topic of it or send cruetrue a personal message. i dont think he saw your question
If i knew i told you.
But did you changed so much yourself already? |
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johnnyjur |
Posted on 25-07-2011 22:13
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gilles23 wrote:
For those who are discussing the stats of the best climbers; where is vanendert
It's a bit hard to say where to put him. He hasn't showed too much climbing skills, except from the pyrenees. But where was he in the alps? Maybe that have to go on the recovery-account, but he must be a difficult rider to place.
Like Voeckler, he suddenly shows up with some incredible climbing skills no one know he had, still I think he has to show it more often. |
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freddyw |
Posted on 25-07-2011 22:13
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johnnyjur wrote:
freddyw wrote:
I love the db guys! thanks you so much! The only thing I dont like, is that Thor Hushovd only has 72 in TT. He has actually been world champion in TT, the reason he doesn't show his skills in real life, is that he dont want to use up his power, because he aims to win the regular stages But love the db!
You want realistic results, and if Hushovd has sky-high TT stats, then he suddenly can win some TT's, which, as you say yourself, he don't ride for in real life. The results won't be realistic. The main point is that you can't base the stats on results for 10 ++ years ago. Remember Hushovd was also one of the best sprinters before, and pretty bad in the hilly stages. Another example: Arvesen beat Freire in U23 WC. Should he then have 78-80 in sprinting stat?
Thanks for answer! Yeah I want realistic results, and thats why I think he has got too low stats on TT. Yeah he is not as good as he was in sprints, but he is stronger! And then I know he is still great at TT, cuz he shows how good he is at prolougs, and is stronger than before. I see your point, but still I think it is more realistic that he gets better stats on TT |
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hajk |
Posted on 25-07-2011 22:16
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Rasmusen wrote:
hajk wrote:
thanks for your help, but you didnt get my point
I dont want a new cdb, because in this case I have to edit the ratings again...I am asking for a possibility to fix it by myself.
I guess I have to delete a line in the fast editor (mos def to delete that riders take place in the Tour de l'Ain race) or in lachis editor but I cannot find that line and thats my problem
Think you have to make a topic of it or send cruetrue a personal message. i dont think he saw your question
If i knew i told you.
But did you changed so much yourself already?
yes I did, because my stats are always much lower than that of PCMDaily
so my Contador has climbing 79 for example, that has as consequence that the riders need more time at the mountains and that there are also earlier some groups of favourites.I can suggest that!
And all riders who has climbing 74 for example at PCM i edited to 64-67 and that takes some time... |
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johnnyjur |
Posted on 25-07-2011 22:17
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freddyw wrote:
johnnyjur wrote:
freddyw wrote:
I love the db guys! thanks you so much! The only thing I dont like, is that Thor Hushovd only has 72 in TT. He has actually been world champion in TT, the reason he doesn't show his skills in real life, is that he dont want to use up his power, because he aims to win the regular stages But love the db!
You want realistic results, and if Hushovd has sky-high TT stats, then he suddenly can win some TT's, which, as you say yourself, he don't ride for in real life. The results won't be realistic. The main point is that you can't base the stats on results for 10 ++ years ago. Remember Hushovd was also one of the best sprinters before, and pretty bad in the hilly stages. Another example: Arvesen beat Freire in U23 WC. Should he then have 78-80 in sprinting stat?
Thanks for answer! Yeah I want realistic results, and thats why I think he has got too low stats on TT. Yeah he is not as good as he was in sprints, but he is stronger! And then I know he is still great at TT, cuz he shows how good he is at prolougs, and is stronger than before. I see your point, but still I think it is more realistic that he gets better stats on TT
Keep in mind that prologue stat and TT stat is separated, and as prologue rider he's one of the best. It's hard to make stats based on a feeling that he's still good in TT. But if you want him to have higher TT I'm sure it's easy to fix it yourself. |
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kaver10 |
Posted on 25-07-2011 22:17
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hajk wrote:
hi
ive searched the whole board for it,but without success
can anyone explain how I can fix the spanish rider bug at the DB by myself?
I edited a lot and started a new carreer, so it would be more than an hour of work for me again, so I hope anyone can help...
I used Lachis Editor to fix it, cause i did the same as you. The problem is that All of the spanish riders are registrered to a race, so under example Contador there is 8 at race but at Cancellara and other non-spanish riders there are 0. So you delete 8 and write 0 in every spanish riders Race column |
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Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 25-07-2011 22:18
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freddyw wrote:
johnnyjur wrote:
freddyw wrote:
I love the db guys! thanks you so much! The only thing I dont like, is that Thor Hushovd only has 72 in TT. He has actually been world champion in TT, the reason he doesn't show his skills in real life, is that he dont want to use up his power, because he aims to win the regular stages But love the db!
You want realistic results, and if Hushovd has sky-high TT stats, then he suddenly can win some TT's, which, as you say yourself, he don't ride for in real life. The results won't be realistic. The main point is that you can't base the stats on results for 10 ++ years ago. Remember Hushovd was also one of the best sprinters before, and pretty bad in the hilly stages. Another example: Arvesen beat Freire in U23 WC. Should he then have 78-80 in sprinting stat?
Thanks for answer! Yeah I want realistic results, and thats why I think he has got too low stats on TT. Yeah he is not as good as he was in sprints, but he is stronger! And then I know he is still great at TT, cuz he shows how good he is at prolougs, and is stronger than before. I see your point, but still I think it is more realistic that he gets better stats on TT
That's why he gets a high prologue stat. No way he deserves higher TT too.
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freddyw |
Posted on 25-07-2011 22:22
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johnnyjur wrote:
freddyw wrote:
johnnyjur wrote:
freddyw wrote:
I love the db guys! thanks you so much! The only thing I dont like, is that Thor Hushovd only has 72 in TT. He has actually been world champion in TT, the reason he doesn't show his skills in real life, is that he dont want to use up his power, because he aims to win the regular stages But love the db!
You want realistic results, and if Hushovd has sky-high TT stats, then he suddenly can win some TT's, which, as you say yourself, he don't ride for in real life. The results won't be realistic. The main point is that you can't base the stats on results for 10 ++ years ago. Remember Hushovd was also one of the best sprinters before, and pretty bad in the hilly stages. Another example: Arvesen beat Freire in U23 WC. Should he then have 78-80 in sprinting stat?
Thanks for answer! Yeah I want realistic results, and thats why I think he has got too low stats on TT. Yeah he is not as good as he was in sprints, but he is stronger! And then I know he is still great at TT, cuz he shows how good he is at prolougs, and is stronger than before. I see your point, but still I think it is more realistic that he gets better stats on TT
Keep in mind that prologue stat and TT stat is separated, and as prologue rider he's one of the best. It's hard to make stats based on a feeling that he's still good in TT. But if you want him to have higher TT I'm sure it's easy to fix it yourself.
Yeah I agree with you there I think its so bad that Thor never tries to do as best as he can in TT ;/ But I see your point |
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freddyw |
Posted on 25-07-2011 22:24
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
freddyw wrote:
johnnyjur wrote:
freddyw wrote:
I love the db guys! thanks you so much! The only thing I dont like, is that Thor Hushovd only has 72 in TT. He has actually been world champion in TT, the reason he doesn't show his skills in real life, is that he dont want to use up his power, because he aims to win the regular stages But love the db!
You want realistic results, and if Hushovd has sky-high TT stats, then he suddenly can win some TT's, which, as you say yourself, he don't ride for in real life. The results won't be realistic. The main point is that you can't base the stats on results for 10 ++ years ago. Remember Hushovd was also one of the best sprinters before, and pretty bad in the hilly stages. Another example: Arvesen beat Freire in U23 WC. Should he then have 78-80 in sprinting stat?
Thanks for answer! Yeah I want realistic results, and thats why I think he has got too low stats on TT. Yeah he is not as good as he was in sprints, but he is stronger! And then I know he is still great at TT, cuz he shows how good he is at prolougs, and is stronger than before. I see your point, but still I think it is more realistic that he gets better stats on TT
That's why he gets a high prologue stat. No way he deserves higher TT too.
Yeah I know No way isn't right way to say it, maybe is better |
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hajk |
Posted on 25-07-2011 22:26
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kaver10 wrote:
hajk wrote:
hi
ive searched the whole board for it,but without success
can anyone explain how I can fix the spanish rider bug at the DB by myself?
I edited a lot and started a new carreer, so it would be more than an hour of work for me again, so I hope anyone can help...
I used Lachis Editor to fix it, cause i did the same as you. The problem is that All of the spanish riders are registrered to a race, so under example Contador there is 8 at race but at Cancellara and other non-spanish riders there are 0. So you delete 8 and write 0 in every spanish riders Race column
you made my day bro |
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jokovic |
Posted on 25-07-2011 23:07
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Rasmusen wrote:
Geezar10 wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
pcm-hardtune wrote:
jph27 wrote:
I thought I would post the list for those who don't have the Database or can't be bothered looking through it. Here are the Riders with 80 or more in Mountain:
83
A.Schleck
A.Contador
82
C.Evans
81
R.Gesink
S.Sánchez
F.Schleck
J.RodrÃguez
I.Basso
V.Nibali
J.Van den Broeck
I.Antón
M.Scarponi
80
D.Cunego
J.Rujano
J.Gadret
I think Jurgen Van den Broeck deserves 82 Climbing. I am belgian, but still i think he had been able to do great things in this tour!
My opinion:
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Contador
82:
Andy Schleck
81:
Samuel Sanchez
Igor Anton
Ivan Basso
Cadel Evans (high stats in rec, rep and sta)
Fränk Schleck
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JDV
Gesink
Joaquin Rodirguez
Nibali
Scarponi
Rujano (low other stats)
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Cunego
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Gadret
Danielson
Klöden
Gadret
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Rolland
Voeckler
Gadret
Geisnk and JDV is overrated i think. Haven't show that good climberskills - yet.
Where's Wiggins? He has completely changed his figure to become a climber for this years tour and I think he would have been in contention for a top 5 place in this years tour if he hadn't crashed out i think he deserves approximately 79 in mountain
Last year evans had a lousy tour, so now gesink has a lousy tour and you think he is overrated ? gesink is 1 of the best climbers. Better then basso and ffrenk shleck.
Unfortunally he felt (gesink), but still he should be 1 of the best. Andy also collapsed, he finished far behind rolland lost 2 minutes when cadel started to make pace, now he should have 77 climbing ? Other races this year his climbing was not great also.
To be honest 4 the game its no fun at all to give conta 83 climbing, it makes him unbeatable. If you play single races 4 sure because his form is also always over 92
gesink and vdb are very good climbers i think top 5 of the world they could mannage to get the podium at paris but they had bad luck..
for sure gesink and vdbare better climberts then wiggins
be sure when there is an accelaration wiggins has to let vdb and gesink go ...not saying wiggins is bad but he isnt really explosive and just always choose for his own pace. that why is shouldnt give him 80 but 79 like you said is good that's also whathe gets in the db so ..
Edited by jokovic on 25-07-2011 23:10
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Kompakt |
Posted on 26-07-2011 08:37
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In general the DB has some very good stats, but as a dane I have found a few stats for danish riders that I think could be altered.
I have nothing to add about Alex Rasmussens stats, but I think his potential is way too low as there really isn’t any room for improvement in the game and he is only 27 years old. I would say his potential should be at least 5 and maybe even 6.
Even though Michael Mørkøv hasn’t got the same talent as Alex I also believe his potential of 3 is way too underrated. He’s more of a domestique, so obviously won’t make as many results beside his TT-results. However he’s still only 26 and Riis has often praised him and told that he has high hopes of Mørkøv’s potential, so I definately think his potential should be raised from 3 to at least 4 or perhaps even more fair raised to 5.
Brian Vandborg is a good domestique, but he turns 30 this year, so probably won’t be that much better than he is right now, so a potential of 5 seems a bit much. However he is strong on the flat so could do with a raise from 68 to 72
Jonas Aaen has delivered a fair amount of top 10’s in his only 2nd year as a pro. He will never be a top sprinter as he’s more of a decent hill rider with a fast finish, but I think he has shown enough promise to justify a potential of 5.
Nicola Aistrup of Team Concordia potential is 5 which I believe is quite overrated. He has never made it in to the pro’s and he’s 31, so i really don’t think he ever will make it. Therefore it seems a bit much that he has a potential of 5.
Same goes for Bøchmann as I think a potential of 5 seems a bit much for a 28 year old rider, who has failed to secure a place on a pro tour squad. He’s definately a good rider, but can’t see why he has a higher potential than a lot of the danes currently on Saxo Bank, when it was the team’s decision not to prolong his contract.
Rasmus Guldhammer also from Concordia is classified as cobblestone rider with a rating of 68, which means that he could develop as a rider for the northern classics. He’s much more of a climber than a northern classics rider, so guess his cobblestone stat could be decreased to 63-64 or even less.
Edited by Kompakt on 26-07-2011 08:39
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Zanci93 |
Posted on 26-07-2011 09:56
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I'm from Switzerland so I can tell you something about Swiss-riders:
M.Frank: He showed great talent in Tour de Suisse, And after the crash at Tour 2010 he came back stronger and gets better and better, so potential is around 6-7
M.Albasini: ok
O.Zaugg: ok
G.Rast: ok
D.Loosli: He showed great performance in the Tour. And as I know him he deserves more in flat about 70, hills 74, mountain 71, endurance 74, Resistance 75 (He is a really resistant rider which he also showed in the Tour were he was the best helper for Cunego.
M.Schär: He was a big help for Evans, potential 5-6, mountain 67, timetrial 71
M.Bär: He won the Junior-race of Paris-Robaix and is still a big talent. So cobble 70, flat 68
S.Dillier: He is two times Swiss-Champion at U23-timetrail and second at this years U23 Swiss-Championship. So timetrial 70, flat 69, potential 7-8 (he can become like Cancellara !)
And because I observed the italian G.Nizzolo this year. I would give him potential 6-7, sprint around 76-77.
C.Evans: I don't think he deserves 82 on mountain state. Yes I know he won the Tour de France. But he isn't stronger than this guys:
R.Gesink
S.Sánchez
F.Schleck
J.RodrÃguez
I.Basso
J.Van den Broeck
I.Antón
But you did a great job . And I just can't wait for the final db.
Do you add the missing cyclist-photos in the final db ?
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Ronin |
Posted on 26-07-2011 10:26
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Are you kidding about Dillier potential? In 2010 he was last classified rider on WC TT U23. There are many better riders in TT at his age. Dillier was 103rd on TT when Phinney was 4th and Kwiatkowski was 11th. They are at the same age as he is. If it was a joke - it was a really bad joke. |
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bryque |
Posted on 26-07-2011 12:19
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I think Mendes deserve mo70
Rutkiewicz Fighter 75 DH 78
Marczynski ACC more than 70
Cieslik hills 69 mon66
Rebiewski no reason for that good sprint..
Niemiec quite better hills 75-76..
In everything else I agree with Ozzy.
Edited by bryque on 26-07-2011 12:20
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fab630 |
Posted on 26-07-2011 17:44
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ouk wrote:
From the little I saw, Id say for the french rider :
Rolland should have around 79 MO, 77 is too low compared to what he achieved in le tour.
Roux, Geniez and Pinot should get a revamp, specially Roux who finished 2d in France championships and achieved a really nice season. At least change their potential.
I think Offredo is completely underrated, hes probably the best french potential with Rolland and should get a massive revamp.
Coppel is overrerated imo, 76 Mo is a bit too much but his rec is too low, this is his main quality with TT.
Gallopin too as MrDemus said.
I can't agree more, Offredo was in the top 10 in Milan San Remo this year and if he hadn't fall in Gand-Wevelgem during the sprint i think he could have done top10-15 in Paris Roubaix and Ronde van vlaanderen.
Moreover i've seen pinot last year durin Paris-Corrèze he has an incredible potential i think he can be one of the best world climber. |
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baia |
Posted on 26-07-2011 18:04
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Rui Costa stats are too low(i think so) he´s with 72 MO too low...he won stage 8? in tour and got over the mountains with Contador and Andy Schleck...didn´t do better because he is(was)injured...
That sprinter in UnitedHealthCare(aussie i think) has 55 in all... he deserves more.
Edited by baia on 26-07-2011 18:05
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BouBBox |
Posted on 26-07-2011 23:48
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ouk wrote:
From the little I saw, Id say for the french rider :
Rolland should have around 79 MO, 77 is too low compared to what he achieved in le tour.
79 might be too much, 78 is good imo, but the most important stat to change is Recuperation, when you see the Alpe d'Huez stage and the TT he was able to do, he definatly deserves at least 78 Rec (I would say even more).
Team Europcar !!
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The Mountain Lion |
Posted on 27-07-2011 00:25
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Rolland really should have a higher MO-stat than Danielson. He finished ahead of him on all 4 mountaintop finish stages in the tour and was 3:37min ahead of Danielson on those stages.
Edited by The Mountain Lion on 27-07-2011 00:27
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BouBBox |
Posted on 27-07-2011 00:50
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The Mountain Lion wrote:
Rolland really should have a higher MO-stat than Danielson. He finished ahead of him on all 4 mountaintop finish stages in the tour and was 3:37min ahead of Danielson on those stages.
Then Danielson should have less
Also another ennoying thing, R. Sicard as he has 80 in fighter, has a fighter potential : 5 stars on flat, only 1 Mo, which is quite unrealistic...
Team Europcar !!
RIP Wouter
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