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| ruben |
Posted on 24-06-2010 14:03
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Except for Gesink finishing behind Le Mevel.
That is a statistical impropability |
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| Timmeh |
Posted on 24-06-2010 16:34
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ruben wrote:
Except for Gesink finishing behind Le Mevel.
That is a statistical impropability
We'll see that in a month ;D
He was protecting Menchov tho, same reason for Fränk Schleck to be so far behind..
Edited by Timmeh on 24-06-2010 16:35
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| Goldberger |
Posted on 31-07-2010 09:49
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Doing some of my own testing now...
Alpe D'Huez stage, over 50 riders in peleton 5kms before the finish.
Tourmalet stage, 110 riders together, 13,14 kms before the finish.
Amstel Gold Race, almost 100 riders for the final sprint, tried to break away with Cunego, but it was impossible.
And it seems all the time gaps in the mountains comes in the final kilometer, no significant gaps among the best before that. |
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| Macimate |
Posted on 31-07-2010 10:45
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Sigh.. Very unrealistic game, probably gonna throw this one out and wait for PCM11 and then the process will probably be the same. |
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| Goldberger |
Posted on 31-07-2010 13:55
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Macimate wrote:
Sigh.. Very unrealistic game, probably gonna throw this one out and wait for PCM11 and then the process will probably be the same.
Yeah same here, i like that breakaways stay away more often now and that large groups of riders are getting dropped instead of one by one, but lets face it, the groups are way to big in the though races, and it seems very difficult to make something happen outside the final kilometers.
Another example, played Liege Bastogne Liege with BMC. Tried everything i could to make the race hard, sent riders in breakaways, first Hincapie but he was reeled in some 20kms from the finish, then i attacked with Ballan, Andy Schleck reacted, and i counterattacked with Cadel Evans. We were now a lead group of 4 with Evans, Ballan, Schleck and Chavanel, but the peleton caught up quickly despite a hard effort from me with Ballan pacing Evans.
6.7kms from the finish it was all back together, and 40  riders in the peleton, compare that to real life  . Then Gilbert attacked in the downhill, and won with 23s from the rest. Im going to keep playing, but this is not good. |
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| Goldberger |
Posted on 01-08-2010 23:03
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Playing the tour de france. stage to morzine, 75 riders in peleton 4.8kms from the finish.
This is ridiculous  |
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| andybandy |
Posted on 01-08-2010 23:11
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Is this with the DailyDB? Did you try with the original database as well? I think the original database provides a nice gameplay. Especially in the mountains. Never experienced such a large group so close to the finish.
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| Goldberger |
Posted on 02-08-2010 12:18
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andybandy wrote:
Is this with the DailyDB? Did you try with the original database as well? I think the original database provides a nice gameplay. Especially in the mountains. Never experienced such a large group so close to the finish.
Yes this is with the original database, i have also had a few mountain stages with good gameplay, but in general the groups are way to large.
I also have had Contador, Andy Schleck and Valverde sprinting on every flat stage in the Tour so far. Cyanide really fucked up  |
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| Nota |
Posted on 02-08-2010 14:16
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Yes, the sprint bug cause there is no trains and the sprinters are far back at 3km. |
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| Carlstrom |
Posted on 02-08-2010 14:36
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Nota wrote:
Yes, the sprint bug cause there is no trains and the sprinters are far back at 3km. Yes I think that is the reason too, but the question in that case is why it has worked in previous versions? |
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| Roo |
Posted on 02-08-2010 15:20
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Carlstrom wrote:
Nota wrote:
Yes, the sprint bug cause there is no trains and the sprinters are far back at 3km. Yes I think that is the reason too, but the question in that case is why it has worked in previous versions?
In the last couple of games, they've had leadouts (not trains though), but the sprinters were too reliant on having a good flat rider as leadout, which is probably why it was scratched. Seems the wrong choice now.
Just played San Sebastian, and it finished with a group of 100 riders and Gilbert took the sprint. Riders should drop way easier, when having run out of the red bar. Or maybe it's the yellow bar lasting too long |
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| Goldberger |
Posted on 02-08-2010 15:23
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Roo wrote:
Carlstrom wrote:
Nota wrote:
Yes, the sprint bug cause there is no trains and the sprinters are far back at 3km. Yes I think that is the reason too, but the question in that case is why it has worked in previous versions?
In the last couple of games, they've had leadouts (not trains though), but the sprinters were too reliant on having a good flat rider as leadout, which is probably why it was scratched. Seems the wrong choice now.
Just played San Sebastian, and it finished with a group of 100 riders and Gilbert took the sprint. Riders should drop way easier, when having run out of the red bar. Or maybe it's the yellow bar lasting too long
Like, i mean in the previous years i played the San Sebastian in Pcm it often came down to a sprint for 10-15 riders, now it's like you say a 100  |
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| geisterhome |
Posted on 03-08-2010 11:53
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i just had a pretty unrealistic(?) result on the giro stage to asolo over the bassano del grappa (playing the whole giro with rabobank on normal)
some group (abt 10 riders) was going right away from the start with riders like fothen or zaug, thier advantage reached up to 6 mins but got a reduced by the peleton till the start of the climb...
so far so realistic 
the peloton was still pretty big at the feet of the del grappa, so i decided to attack with gesink (who lost time due to a fall on the previous stage now beeing on place 7. 3:30 behind cunego) and took menchov with me (lying on place 4. in the classment 1:30 behind). gotta say both were in good shape (gesink +5 menchov +2).. anyways proceeding uphill they created a huge gap btw them and the rest of the favourites (gesink making the pace) eventhough both of them were obviously really dangerous for the rest of the classment riders, they all stayed together letting loosli (moutain 68(?)) make the pace all the way uphill. cunego was attacking maybe around 2 km away from the top of the mountain not creating a big gap... were gesink and menschov already were over 7 mins(!) infront of the rest! the gap stayed nearly the same (maybe the still big favourite group could reduce it a little..) till the finish.
although the game crashed when the last rider already had passed the finishline, maybe wanting to make up for so much unrealism? and left me not know if i should be happy or sad abt it...
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| Timmeh |
Posted on 03-08-2010 12:18
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geisterhome wrote:
i just had a pretty unrealistic(?) result on the giro stage to asolo over the bassano del grappa (playing the whole giro with rabobank on normal)
some group (abt 10 riders) was going right away from the start with riders like fothen or zaug, thier advantage reached up to 6 mins but got a reduced by the peleton till the start of the climb...
so far so realistic
the peloton was still pretty big at the feet of the del grappa, so i decided to attack with gesink (who lost time due to a fall on the previous stage now beeing on place 7. 3:30 behind cunego) and took menchov with me (lying on place 4. in the classment 1:30 behind). gotta say both were in good shape (gesink +5 menchov +2).. anyways proceeding uphill they created a huge gap btw them and the rest of the favourites (gesink making the pace) eventhough both of them were obviously really dangerous for the rest of the classment riders, they all stayed together letting loosli (moutain 68(?)) make the pace all the way uphill. cunego was attacking maybe around 2 km away from the top of the mountain not creating a big gap... were gesink and menschov already were over 7 mins(!) infront of the rest! the gap stayed nearly the same (maybe the still big favourite group could reduce it a little..) till the finish.
although the game crashed when the last rider already had passed the finishline, maybe wanting to make up for so much unrealism? and left me not know if i should be happy or sad abt it...
This is how i won the Giro with JC Péraud (OML)
I made the pace with péraud on the grappa, Moreno protecting him, and then suddenly, i had a small gap.
It grew to 8 minutes and so i was 8 min ahead with a rider who has only 77 in mountain.
Perhaps it's the Monte Grappa, perhaps it's a general bug ;D |
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| geisterhome |
Posted on 03-08-2010 13:34
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i think it must be smth with this grappa stage :S
just had to do it again... 1st try (the one decribed above) crashed at the very end of the race..
2nd try, crashed in the middle, 3rd try crashed in middle too, 4th try like the first... :S get to the finish but crashes just after the last rider passes the line... so annoying! usually dont have much problems with crahes! anyways again a somewhat strange race:
to keep it short, im make the pace at the beginning of the grappa, with garate and mollema (!) (mountain 75/76) only menchov, gesink and cunego follow.. this goes up the whole climb untill i decide to attack with menchov and gesink again.. cunego follows and he eventually wins the race too since he is better downhill... so yea really strange that the other favourites(basso, evans, sastre, nibali, vino) cant (?) follow mollema or garate, somehow the AI doesnt make them to do so... kind of like youd attack with your best riders at the very beginning of the stage, they dont take it serious.. that didnt happen anywhere else to me till now
oh forgot to mention that the other favourites lost abt 10 mins
Edited by geisterhome on 03-08-2010 13:38
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| Timmeh |
Posted on 03-08-2010 13:46
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I never have crashes |
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| R_Funk |
Posted on 03-08-2010 14:30
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Not really a test, but i just want to get rid of my frustrations somewhere. I am doing a career with team Saxo on hard difficulty. And one of their goals is to finish in the top ten of Milan-San Remo.
I had all my money on Cancellara for the win, and worked hard with Voigt and Fuglsang by pulling back the breakaway with a bunch of favourites (Gilbert, Pozzato etc..) Fabian is doing great (protected by Porte), all of his energy left for just the last 'col' in a pack with about 45 riders. and then the most frustrating thing happened to me... a puncture just on the start of the last hill . (sorry neighbours for all the screaming i did)
Just made it back to the pack and just in time to see Gilbert win my stage 
There you have it
Edited by R_Funk on 03-08-2010 14:33
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| Goldberger |
Posted on 03-08-2010 15:11
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After much negative press from me about the gameplay, time to give cyanide some props to, The tourmalet stage in my tour gave me great results and gameplay, Contador attacked 12 kms from the finish and never looked back.
1 Alberto Contador ASTANA 5h12'41
2 Cadel Evins CBM RACING TEAM + 1'17
3 Alejandro Valverde CAISSE D'EPARGNE + 1'37
4 Ivan Basso LIQUIGAS – DOIMO + 2'26
5 Carlos Sostre CAR&VELO TEST TEAM + 3'22
6 Samuel Sánchez EUSKALTEL - EUSKADI + 3'30
7 Jurgen Van den Broeck OMEGA PHARMA-LOTTO + 3'39
8 Alexandre Vinokourov ASTANA + 3'58
9 Levi Leipheimer TEAM RADIOSHACK s.t.
10 Lance Neilstrung TEAM RADIOSHACK s.t.
11 Michael Rogers TEAM HTC - COLUMBIA + 4'59
12 Bradley Wuggins TEAM BLUE SKY + 5'15
13 Andreas Klöden TEAM RADIOSHACK + 5'25
14 Christian Vindevelde GAMIN - TRANSITATION + 5'42
15 Denis Menchov RABOBANK s.t.
16 Rein Taaramae COFIDIS, LE CREDIT EN LIGNE s.t.
17 Robert Gesink RABOBANK s.t.
18 Vladimir Kurpets TEAM CATYOUCHA + 6'04
19 Andy Schleck TEAM SAXO BANK + 6'13
20 Sandy Casar FRANÇAISE DES JEUX + 6'22
21 Giampaolo Coruso TEAM CATYOUCHA s.t.
22 Roman Kreuziger LIQUIGAS – DOIMO s.t.
23 Marco Pinotti TEAM HTC - COLUMBIA s.t.
24 Richie Porte TEAM SAXO BANK s.t.
25 David Moncoutié COFIDIS, LE CREDIT EN LIGNE s.t.
26 Linus Gerdemann TEAM MILRAM s.t.
27 Chris Horner TEAM RADIOSHACK s.t.
28 Jean-Christophe Péraud OMEGA PHARMA-LOTTO s.t.
29 Thomas Löfkvust TEAM BLUE SKY s.t.
30 John Gadret AG2R - LA MONDIALE s.t.
31 Vladimir Efimkin AG2R - LA MONDIALE s.t.
32 Fredrik Kossiakoff GAMIN - TRANSITATION s.t.
33 Jakob Fuglsang TEAM SAXO BANK s.t.
34 Cyril Dessel AG2R - LA MONDIALE s.t.
35 Stijn Devolder QUICKSTEP + 7'09
36 Hubert Dupont AG2R - LA MONDIALE s.t.
37 David Arroyo CAISSE D'EPARGNE s.t.
38 Bauke Mollema RABOBANK s.t.
39 Sylvain Chavanel QUICKSTEP s.t.
40 Luis León Sánchez CAISSE D'EPARGNE s.t.
41 Juan José Cobo Acebo CAISSE D'EPARGNE s.t.
42 Christophe Moreau CAISSE D'EPARGNE s.t.
43 Kim Kurchen TEAM CATYOUCHA s.t.
44 Sylvester Szmyd LIQUIGAS – DOIMO s.t.
45 Janez Brajkovic TEAM RADIOSHACK s.t.
46 Tony Martin TEAM HTC - COLUMBIA s.t.
47 Daniel Murtin GAMIN - TRANSITATION s.t.
48 Yaroslav Popovych TEAM RADIOSHACK + 7'46
49 David Zobriskie GAMIN - TRANSITATION + 7'58
50 Ryder Husjedal GAMIN - TRANSITATION + 8'06
I was playing with the Retirement shack, and had absolutely no chance of following, should be noted that Andy Schleck and Menchov has had bad crashes and are not in the best shape |
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| Macimate |
Posted on 03-08-2010 15:22
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Well good gaps but weird result
You will maybe get good gaps one time out of ten though. |
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| Goldberger |
Posted on 03-08-2010 16:28
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1 Alberto Contador ASTANA 94h10'48
2 Cadel Evins CBM RACING TEAM + 22
3 Levi Leipheimer TEAM RADIOSHACK + 4'30
4 Alejandro Valverde CAISSE D'EPARGNE + 5'42
5 Ivan Basso LIQUIGAS – DOIMO + 5'49
6 Carlos Sostre CAR&VELO TEST TEAM + 8'20
7 Bradley Wuggins TEAM BLUE SKY + 9'34
8 Jurgen Van den Broeck OMEGA PHARMA-LOTTO + 9'48
9 Lance Neilstrung TEAM RADIOSHACK + 9'58
10 Andreas Klöden TEAM RADIOSHACK + 10'40
11 Samuel Sánchez EUSKALTEL - EUSKADI + 10'59
12 Michael Rogers TEAM HTC - COLUMBIA + 12'27
13 Roman Kreuziger LIQUIGAS – DOIMO + 12'53
14 Rein Taaramae COFIDIS, LE CREDIT EN LIGNE + 13'13
15 Sylvain Chavanel QUICKSTEP + 14'25
16 Robert Gesink RABOBANK + 14'44
17 Denis Menchov RABOBANK + 14'49
18 Sandy Casar FRANÇAISE DES JEUX + 15'09
19 Marco Pinotti TEAM HTC - COLUMBIA + 15'27
20 Vladimir Kurpets TEAM CATYOUCHA + 16'28
21 Jean-Christophe Péraud OMEGA PHARMA-LOTTO + 17'11
22 Christian Vindevelde GAMIN - TRANSITATION + 17'30
23 Kim Kurchen TEAM CATYOUCHA + 19'38
24 Richie Porte TEAM SAXO BANK + 19'55
25 Yaroslav Popovych TEAM RADIOSHACK + 20'55
26 Janez Brajkovic TEAM RADIOSHACK + 21'10
27 Luis León Sánchez CAISSE D'EPARGNE + 21'18
28 Andy Schleck TEAM SAXO BANK + 21'34
29 Jakob Fuglsang TEAM SAXO BANK + 22'18
30 David Moncoutié COFIDIS, LE CREDIT EN LIGNE + 22'41
This was the final result of the Tour De France i played. Any weird results is probably because of that i play with the original database.
Noted again that Menchov at least lost 7 minutes after a crash and he was hurt too, he would probably be top 5 if not.
Andy Schleck lost mad time on the stage 14 when he crashed badly right before the Port de Pailhères. Just like in real life Contador took advantage of the situation and ordered his teammates to the front, i also helped them a bit with a few shack domestiques. Needless to say Schleck lost 15 minutes by the end of the stage.
Vinokourov also crashed and finished the tour in 96th place, 1h 40m behind Contador.
I tried my best with Leipheimer to finish on the podium, and in the end he did it because of a brilliant last time trial. I took 4 stage wins, Leipheimer won the prologue and the final tt. But the biggest peformance came from Chris Horner who won stage 10 after a long breakaway, and repeated this victory on stage 12 to mende, just holding off the favorites after another long attack. Great to see that it's finally possible to win after breakaways
Cadel Evans is quite overated in the original db, obviously |
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