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| Wilier |
Posted on 16-10-2009 12:28
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Alpe d´huez is included in this years Dauphiné. Apparently the reason alpe d´huez was not included in the TdF is, that the village of alpe d´huez couldn´t afford it. Now that makes me wonder how TdF comes up with these lame routes. Maybe a lot of mountain top places just can´t afford to be a finish place in the tour. |
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 16-10-2009 13:16
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"the village couldn't afford it"
ASO sucks, disregarding a tour legend...
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| aavf |
Posted on 16-10-2009 22:13
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Some details of Giro 2010
Google translated:
"Finally returned some between the legendary climbs which have made the history of cycling but were excluded in the latest edition: Monte Grappa, Zoncolan, Plan de Corones (time trial from San Vigilio), Mendola, Aprica,
Mortirolo, Santa Cristina, Gavia, Tonale ... Up epilogue to
surprise, with a stopwatch by Soave in Verona, just as in 1984,
when Francesco Moser snatched the pink jersey and victory in extremis final French Laurent Fignon."
source: https://www.tuttobiciweb.it/index.php?...;cod=24672
looks promising! |
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| aavf |
Posted on 16-10-2009 22:15
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It will also have "strade bianche" like Eroica. |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 16-10-2009 23:00
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So, no Alpe D'Huez because no money? That's sad and says nothing good about ASO. |
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| ursul |
Posted on 16-10-2009 23:04
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kumazan wrote:
So, no Alpe D'Huez because no money? That's sad and says nothing good about ASO.
no Alpe d'huez? it's not a real Tour de France whitout l'Alpe d'huez
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| issoisso |
Posted on 16-10-2009 23:28
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kumazan wrote:
So, no Alpe D'Huez because no money? That's sad and says nothing good about ASO.
If the Tour didn't do this, it wouldn't be profitable. In fact, all it would take would be to have an editio with not a single town hosting both a start and a finish and the Tour would lose money.
ursul wrote:
kumazan wrote:
So, no Alpe D'Huez because no money? That's sad and says nothing good about ASO.
no Alpe d'huez? it's not a real Tour de France whitout l'Alpe d'huez
So 3 out of every 4 editions ever held aren't "real tours"?
It's just a climb. it's been used a few times, far less than most tours, and when it's used near the end guarantees the tour will be boring because everyone waits for it and does nothing in the previous stages.
That's like saying the Giro isn't the Giro without the Stelvio. It's one climb that hasn't been used an awful lot.
The Tourmalet and the Aubisque have both been used over 80 times. Those two, maybe you can make an argument for it not being "a real tour" without them. But a climb that's not used all that often? Not really 
aavf wrote:
Some details of Giro 2010
Google translated:
"Finally returned some between the legendary climbs which have made the history of cycling but were excluded in the latest edition: Monte Grappa, Zoncolan, Plan de Corones (time trial from San Vigilio), Mendola, Aprica,
Mortirolo, Santa Cristina, Gavia, Tonale ... Up epilogue to
surprise, with a stopwatch by Soave in Verona, just as in 1984,
when Francesco Moser snatched the pink jersey and victory in extremis final French Laurent Fignon."
source: https://www.tuttobiciweb.it/index.php?...;cod=24672
looks promising!
Reminding us of the final TT of 1984 is the last thing RCS should do. It's the Giro's darkest moment and it tends to make people very angry. With good reason, too.
Edited by issoisso on 16-10-2009 23:30
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| kumazan |
Posted on 16-10-2009 23:43
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issoisso wrote:
If the Tour didn't do this, it wouldn't be profitable. In fact, all it would take would be to have an editio with not a single town hosting both a start and a finish and the Tour would lose money.
Right, but it's a dangerous game to decide which places will host a start/finish (specially the latter) only based on money. I think that the Tour could make a greater effort to have more often some "special" finals.
This said, I'm not asking for having the Alpe every year. If they don't want it to be a final this year, then fine, but if the Alpe is out of the route only because of economic reasons then, imo, they're commiting a mistake.
Edited by kumazan on 16-10-2009 23:43
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| facmanpob |
Posted on 16-10-2009 23:45
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Going back to the TT debate, the first Tour I ever saw, in 1984 (back in the olden days!), the riders had 123km of Time Trialling before the first mountain stage, and a total of 196km of TT in total!
Prologue - 5km ITT
Stage 3 - 51km TTT
Stage 7 - 67km ITT
Stage 16 - 22km ITT (mountain)
Stage 22 - 51km ITT
Also, there were 24 stages in total (23 proper + prologue)
The following year, in 1985, there were 239km of TT, and following year 180km of TT! They were proper races! |
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| aavf |
Posted on 17-10-2009 13:09
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facmanpob wrote:
Going back to the TT debate, the first Tour I ever saw, in 1984 (back in the olden days!), the riders had 123km of Time Trialling before the first mountain stage, and a total of 196km of TT in total!
Prologue - 5km ITT
Stage 3 - 51km TTT
Stage 7 - 67km ITT
Stage 16 - 22km ITT (mountain)
Stage 22 - 51km ITT
Also, there were 24 stages in total (23 proper + prologue)
The following year, in 1985, there were 239km of TT, and following year 180km of TT! They were proper races!
Agree, even if they think that's a lot of TT they never should reduce so much (to 58 kms), every tour should have at least 100kms of ITT (around 2h alone in the bike). If ASO continues this way, in some years you just need to be a super climber to win the Tour. |
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| Johan92 |
Posted on 17-10-2009 13:13
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The Tour 2010 is more suited for climbers, not GC-riders. That's a bad thing.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 17-10-2009 15:23
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issoisso wrote:
aavf wrote:
Some details of Giro 2010
Google translated:
"Finally returned some between the legendary climbs which have made the history of cycling but were excluded in the latest edition: Monte Grappa, Zoncolan, Plan de Corones (time trial from San Vigilio), Mendola, Aprica,
Mortirolo, Santa Cristina, Gavia, Tonale ... Up epilogue to
surprise, with a stopwatch by Soave in Verona, just as in 1984,
when Francesco Moser snatched the pink jersey and victory in extremis final French Laurent Fignon."
source: https://www.tuttobiciweb.it/index.php?...;cod=24672
looks promising!
Reminding us of the final TT of 1984 is the last thing RCS should do. It's the Giro's darkest moment and it tends to make people very angry. With good reason, too.
I tried googling, but found nothing (in English) - can you elaborate on what happened? |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 17-10-2009 15:44
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The Italian Moser couldn't climb anywhere near as well as french GC leader Fignon, but Moser was a marginally better time triallist (they were both excellent). The Giro back then was quite flat to make sure an italian won.
The Penultimate stage went over the Gavia. The organizers claimed the Gavia was snowed in so there was no chance of going over it. The media quickly produced photos of clear roads on the Gavia. The stage was still cancelled due to "snow".
In the final stage time trial, the organizers had one TV helicopter track each of the two riders. One flew directly in front of Fignon creating a headwind. The other flew just behind Moser, pushing him along.
Moser narrowly took the jersey back and won the Giro.
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| aavf |
Posted on 17-10-2009 16:30
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issoisso details are better but there's a feature about that 84 Giro in cyclingnews with a bit about how the GC was stole: https://autobus.cyclingnews.com/road/2...bin_morton |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 17-10-2009 16:53
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Thanks aavf 
Also, the first rumours about the Vuelta route are making the news now. I have only one comment to make:
A mountaintop finish on the Bola del Mundo? That would be F***ING AWESOME!!!
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| kumazan |
Posted on 17-10-2009 17:30
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issoisso wrote:
Thanks aavf
Also, the first rumours about the Vuelta route are making the news now. I have only one comment to make:
A mountaintop finish on the Bola del Mundo? That would be F***ING AWESOME!!!
And I have one thing to add. It's likely to not be a concrete road, but an asphalt road. Still a great mountain, but it's not the same. |
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 17-10-2009 18:02
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Thats this one?
nice
Edited by mb2612 on 17-10-2009 18:03
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| hans_kristian |
Posted on 17-10-2009 18:10
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mb2612 wrote:
Thats this one?
nice
it is one of the worst mountain I have ever seen! |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 17-10-2009 18:22
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That's the wrong side. On the other side is harder. Anyway, if they put asphalt over the concrete, it'd lost a lot of interest. |
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| Cremalex |
Posted on 17-10-2009 21:45
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La Bola del Mundo is a 3.4 kms climb that begins on top of Puerto de Navacerrada. As Navacerrada has to sides there is some difference in reaching La Bola from Madrid or from Segovia. Madrid's side is harder (it was the side used in this year's Vuelta) than the other (the one used by Vuelta in 2008 for the last ITT).
Here you have the profile of the ascension from Madrid's side.
https://www.altimetrias.net/aspbk/verP...asp?id=380.
This is the profile of Puerto de Navacerrada from La Granja de San Ildefonso (where 18th stage of last Vuelta ended).
https://www.altimetrias.net/aspbk/verP...asp?id=331.
It is said that probably the stage will come from Segovia to Navacerrada, to La Bola and that the arrival will be set not on the top, where there is not enough space, but half kilometre before exist some ski facilities to install there the finish line.
Finish line will be probably set next to that house in the picture.
The road to La Bola.
Other news say that first mountain stage will be again on Xorret de CatÃ, that Andorra will have his stage and that in Asturias 2010 will be the returno of La Vuelta to Lagos de Covadonga and the premier of La Cubilla, also in Asturias.
Edited by Cremalex on 17-10-2009 21:52
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