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Watts in Giro
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| ruben |
Posted on 08-06-2009 18:42
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 Amazing. The top 5, bar Basso, achieved their highest level in a grand tour ever. Menchov's almost 470W on the second climb of the TT is astonishing, as is Sastre's 460W at Vesuvius, a climb harder than Alpe d'Huez, after 3 weeks of racing. What's more, The level of this years Giro, is, according to these wattages, higher then that of last years Tour, much higher even. Because the highest average there was Sastre, 425W
That would not be enough for top 5 this year....
Other notes: Cunego never above 400W. Armstrong 40W away from his 1999-2005 form. Basso only 9W worse than his 2006 Giro, so he isn't much weaker, the opposition is just far stronger than that of 2006, where Basso easily won.
Also strange that Menchov, Di Luca, Pellizotti, Sastre all ride their best grand tour ever. To compare, Menchov Vuelta wins were at 425W average. Sastre's Tour win also 425W... |
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| BenBarnes |
Posted on 08-06-2009 18:46
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How do differing mountain types affect wattages. Is it not true that Giro mountains are generally more intense whereas the Tours are longer? |
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| Goldberger |
Posted on 08-06-2009 18:51
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Very interesting read. I'm not an expert on watts, but it's interesting to see the level that was at the giro.
Basso only 9W weaker than in 2006 where he crushed the opposition, interesting. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 08-06-2009 19:08
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WARNING: the time trial's climbs were too short to be considered, and done by many riders with time trial equipment.
Which is another reason the "Termine" climb cannot be compared to other races.
Therefore the real average is 430 watts.
Very high? Yes.
Edited by issoisso on 08-06-2009 19:09
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| Eddy Merckx |
Posted on 08-06-2009 19:20
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How do you messaure these wattages?
or where can i read what wattages that climber had on the specific climb?
Interesting to see, what was Basso wattages up Monte Bondone in 2006? |
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| ruben |
Posted on 08-06-2009 19:46
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issoisso wrote:
WARNING: the time trial's climbs were too short to be considered, and done by many riders with time trial equipment.
Which is another reason the "Termine" climb cannot be compared to other races.
Therefore the real average is 430 watts.
Very high? Yes. Meh, the Termine climb was 10km at 5,5%, and all GC riders used normal bikes, not TT bikes. |
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| Wolfos |
Posted on 08-06-2009 19:50
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Ruben wrote:
Meh, the Termine climb was 10km at 5,5%, and all GC riders used normal bikes, not TT bikes.
Sastre used full TT equipment, but the others listed used normal bikes, yes. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 08-06-2009 19:51
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Ruben wrote:
issoisso wrote:
WARNING: the time trial's climbs were too short to be considered, and done by many riders with time trial equipment.
Which is another reason the "Termine" climb cannot be compared to other races.
Therefore the real average is 430 watts.
Very high? Yes. Meh, the Termine climb was 10km at 5,5%, and all GC riders used normal bikes, not TT bikes. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 08-06-2009 20:18
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The wattages are higher because of the short distance (62km compared to a climb after 200km)...
Not because of the TT helmets a few used... |
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| mattiasgt |
Posted on 08-06-2009 20:58
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How come the Blockhause is so low compared to the Vesuvio when that stage was much longer?
EDIT: Rest day effect maybe?
Edited by mattiasgt on 08-06-2009 20:59
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| ruben |
Posted on 08-06-2009 21:01
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That, plus the fact that the favourites were watching eachother a lot |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 08-06-2009 21:05
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Ruben wrote:
That, plus the fact that the favourites were watching eachother a lot
Not realy..Pellizotti was at the front..
Di Luca was going all out on that climb..all out day for Di Luca. Only Menchov and Garzelli some how managed to follow..
Maybe shorter distance? |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 08-06-2009 21:09
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Ruben wrote:
Not because of the TT helmets a few used...
TT BARS. They're illegal in road races and provide a much better frontal profile. The increase in speed is very marked by using them.
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| ruben |
Posted on 08-06-2009 21:33
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Meh, I still think it's mainly the distance and average percentage (only 5%) that caused the higher watts, rather then the TT position (it's overrated) |
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 08-06-2009 21:35
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Ruben wrote:
Meh, I still think it's mainly the distance and average percentage (only 5%) that caused the higher watts, rather then the TT position (it's overrated)
Not in the slighest |
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 09-06-2009 09:40
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So, I wonder if Ricco, Piepoli and Sella had rode this year as they rode last year, how would they have done?
I think Ricco would've been 3rd on GC.
Piepoli and Sella wouldn't have won a thing, imo.  |
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| Bosskardo |
Posted on 09-06-2009 13:33
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fenian_1234 wrote:
So, I wonder if Ricco, Piepoli and Sella had rode this year as they rode last year, how would they have done?
I think Ricco would've been 3rd on GC.
Piepoli and Sella wouldn't have won a thing, imo.
I think you´re right if you consider their strenght on dope. Without it they would all have sucked (ok maybe a stage top3 for Ricco).
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| KurtinSC |
Posted on 09-06-2009 14:07
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So... it hasn't been stated yet but someone has to...
is this proof that they are all on the next generation of doping (whatever comes after CERA)?
We're all pretty sure that Di Luca doped a couple years back... and he just surpassed those results. A lot of older riders putting up the best wattages of their lives doesn't give me a lot of hope that things are getting cleaner in cycling. |
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| Phanekim |
Posted on 10-06-2009 10:44
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these results are incredibly depressing. |
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| ReschNicolai |
Posted on 10-06-2009 11:35
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But isn't this because this years giro was easy?
And if they are doped, hope they all get caught, and locked out 4ever!
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