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A Few quick questions from a complete noob??
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| glendalf |
Posted on 13-07-2007 10:11
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Hi guys as you can guess from the title im a complete noob to pcm and cycling so I have a few questions I was hoping you could help me with.
1.In the game riders have specialised abilities e.g stage races,sprinter etc,although I can guess what some of them mean I was wondering if you could give me a brief explanation as to what a puncheur,northern classics and fighter are?
2.On the Eurosport coverage of The Tour De France the commentaters keep mentioning a "GC" and I was wondering what it means?
3.In the game im playing as Barloworld (I liked what I saw of Robbie Hunter in the Tour) and ive managed to get a wild-card to a number of CTT races but I was wondering if my riders or team get points towards the CNT by participating in these races?And if I dont get points in them then what is the point competing in them?
4.I was wondering how the points system works?Ive won a few stages and two races but im not sure exactly how many points I get for race wins,stage wins etc?Also do you get any points for winning the mountain jersey and again if not then whats the point of trying to get it?
Thanks in advance for any help guys and I hope my my questions make sense  |
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| Crommy |
Posted on 13-07-2007 10:38
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1. Northern Classics means a rider who is good in cobble races
2. GC means General Classification - basically, throughout the tour, the riders times are added up each day, and the person with the shortest time wins - its the yellow jersey classification
Not sure about the rest
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-07-2007 10:42
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glendalf wrote:
Hi guys as you can guess from the title im a complete noob to pcm and cycling so I have a few questions I was hoping you could help me with.
sure, no problem 
glendalf wrote:
1.In the game riders have specialised abilities e.g stage races,sprinter etc,although I can guess what some of them mean I was wondering if you could give me a brief explanation as to what a puncheur,northern classics and fighter are?
fighter: breakaway specialist. a guy with a high FTR stat will make the whole group he is in go slightly faster when taking a relay, will attack more often and will recover faster from a "red moment" (blowing up)
puncheur: a climber with a bit of "punch", good on short, explosive climbs, usually at the classic races. hilly stages, not mountainous. for a fabulous example, look at the stats of a certain Paolo Bettini 
northern classics: classics with cobbled sections. these sections are very demanding and riders are very specialized: you'll notice riders have a "cobble" stat, meaning the higher the stat, the less energy they lose going over cobbles (which is still a lot though...)
generally, cobbled races are mostly in Belgium and matter most to Belgian teams.
glendalf wrote:
2.On the Eurosport coverage of The Tour De France the commentaters keep mentioning a "GC" and I was wondering what it means?
General Classification. the overall timed classification of a stage race.
glendalf wrote:
3.In the game im playing as Barloworld (I liked what I saw of Robbie Hunter in the Tour) and ive managed to get a wild-card to a number of CTT races but I was wondering if my riders or team get points towards the CNT by participating in these races?And if I dont get points in them then what is the point competing in them?
no points, but it's fun and the sponsors love it. also, riders at certain experience levels get experience and improve.
riders, if you'll notice have a certain experience bar and level (goes from 1 to 4)
a full experience bar makes them finish that level, and jump to the next (except if the finish level 4)
finishing a level may increase his stats quite a bit. also, every rider has ONE "explosion" in his career.(some already start the game being considered to have already "exploded", so that won't happen to them anymore.) when this happens (at the end of a random level of experience), he really comes into his own with big stats rises.
what races raise a rider's experience are:
level 1: category 1 races (2.1 and 1.1)
level 2: Hors category races (2.HC and 1.HC)
level 3: ProTour events (CTT in the game), except
level 4: Grand Tours (Giro d'Italia, Tour de France, Vuelta a España) and the 5 Monuments (Milano-San Remo, Ronde van Vlaanderen, Paris-Roubaix, Liège-Bastogne-Liège, Giro di Lombardia)
notice that if you have the original database that comes with the game, these names will be different since they can't use the real ones for the most part
example: GP di Lombardia (I'm making this one up) instead of Giro di Lombardia
glendalf wrote:
4.I was wondering how the points system works?Ive won a few stages and two races but im not sure exactly how many points I get for race wins,stage wins etc?Also do you get any points for winning the mountain jersey and again if not then whats the point of trying to get it?
do you mean points for the continental and ProTour (CTT in the game, since they can't use the real name) rankings?
if so:
https://www.cycling4all.com/index.php?...5ucip1.php
glendalf wrote:
Thanks in advance for any help guys and I hope my my questions make sense
no problem. any further questions, feel free
Edited by issoisso on 13-07-2007 10:47
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| glendalf |
Posted on 13-07-2007 11:08
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Absolutely brilliant guys thanks I can now get back to my Barloworld game and know what im doing (well kinda ) |
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| vergadain |
Posted on 14-07-2007 10:54
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glendalf wrote:
Hi guys as you can guess from the title im a complete noob to pcm and cycling.
Me too, never seen a Pro cycling event before 2007TDF. I have seen the occassional Olympic cycling event in parts but never had any interest in it until PCM2007 sucked me in.
glendalf wrote:
1.In the game riders have specialised abilities e.g stage races,sprinter etc,although I can guess what some of them mean I was wondering if you could give me a brief explanation as to what a puncheur,northern classics and fighter are?
Northern Classics=Cobblestones
Fighter = agressiveness effectiveness. page 16 of the PCM2007 manual which is pretty poor may help, section 6.1.2.
PCM2006 manual which i'm sure I found here but can't find anymore had a bit more insight into the training reigime's and how they affected riders stats. Not sure how applicable that might be to the 2007 version of the game though.
glendalf wrote:
2.On the Eurosport coverage of The Tour De France the commentaters keep mentioning a "GC" and I was wondering what it means?
General Classification, if you take a rider in a race and add up their times for each stage in the race, the person who has the least total time wins the race. I've discovered that in a stage race - the mountains and time trials stages tend to spread the leaderboard out quite a bit as to where everyone ranks.
glendalf wrote:
3.In the game im playing as Barloworld (I liked what I saw of Robbie Hunter in the Tour) and ive managed to get a wild-card to a number of CTT races but I was wondering if my riders or team get points towards the CNT by participating in these races?And if I dont get points in them then what is the point competing in them?
Me Too, also playing Barloworld. Struggling to do well in my 2008 season though - competition has lifted.
The prize money and prestige associated with the race. For Barloworld in say TDF, sponsors are pretty happy even when someone in the team ends up in the top 20 at the end of the race. I've set my game to easy though.
glendalf wrote:
4.I was wondering how the points system works?Ive won a few stages and two races but im not sure exactly how many points I get for race wins,stage wins etc?Also do you get any points for winning the mountain jersey and again if not then whats the point of trying to get it?
I don't know the complete answer but prestige and money are one benefit and if you hang on to it for more than one day, sponsors like it even more, presumably it does the opposite for the competition.
glendalf wrote:
Thanks in advance for any help guys and I hope my my questions make sense
Happy to help a fellow newbie to PCM and the sport whi happens to have started learning with the help of Team Barloworld.
I found South Africas news 24 to be pretty informative about the Team and Robbie Hunter in the TDF, far more than the Barloworld team site.
https://www.news24...31,00.html
Sad news about Degano |
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| glendalf |
Posted on 16-07-2007 11:33
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Thanks for the help vergadain.Yeah im really enjoying playing as Barloworld,im only a few months into my first season as ive just moved house so have hardly any time to play PCM at the moment  I have however managed to get my sky digital up and running so i can catch back up with TDF,thank god for rest days |
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| glendalf |
Posted on 18-07-2007 23:07
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Another quick question that im sure has been asked a zillion times,does the equipment make a big difference to performance i.e I have a Flat setup bike (F-52,M-32),a Mountain setup bike (F-32,M-52) and a good all-round setup bike (F-42,M-40)?
I only ask because a mate told me that the percentage bonus it adds is little or none!!
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 18-07-2007 23:16
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The equipment's effect is very small and doesnt make too much of a distance.
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| glendalf |
Posted on 18-07-2007 23:37
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Nice one thanks mate,now i can set up a bike that looks good in the replays |
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| 0buKKaKe |
Posted on 18-07-2007 23:45
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SportingNonsense wrote:
The equipment's effect is very small and doesnt make too much of a distance.
i have to dissagree i think that the diference of taking bikes for flat to mountains instead of bikes made for climbers made a big difference of final time at the end of the stage |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 18-07-2007 23:49
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Well Its always best to use the strongest bikes possible, but thats just what ive understood from what others have said
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| Crommy |
Posted on 19-07-2007 08:59
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Yes, it makes very little effect - it makes some, but very little
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| RiderJan |
Posted on 19-07-2007 09:08
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Yes. You can see that in the 'bike-overview' at the beginning of a race. The 'normal' bicycles (or should I say: 'standard', which are default settings, already have a little bit over 20 'points', where the best bike (by custom configuration) kan be over 50 points... The difference is only a mere 30 points...
Edited by RiderJan on 19-07-2007 09:09
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| glendalf |
Posted on 21-07-2007 20:30
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Ok guys yet more help is needed please
I need serious help with fitness training.I left the fitness training of my CSC team to the A.I.
All was going well Cancellara,Schleck Sastre etc all were above 90 fitness but their fatigue levels started growing so I did what the manual said and set their training to o% to give them a rest but now a week before the Giro their fitness levels are below 50%.
What have I done wrong?
Is there a guide or walkthrough to describe how to train players?
Any help as always is greatly appreciated |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 21-07-2007 20:42
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Actually we have a guide here which describes the training system in PCM06 and PCM07 fully: https://www.pcmdaily.com/readarticle.p...ticle_id=9 |
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| glendalf |
Posted on 21-07-2007 20:48
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Wow that a was a quick response thanks mike looks like a rather long guide so I have abit of reading to do
It says its a fitness guide for PCM2006 so does it work for PCM2007? |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 21-07-2007 21:06
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I think it does, but you don't need to read the entire guide. It starts off with explaining the basics before going into depth, and for normal people, the basics are enough |
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| glendalf |
Posted on 21-07-2007 21:09
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Happy days thanks Mike i'll give it a read |
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| Boasson Hagen Jr |
Posted on 22-07-2007 00:35
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Off topic!
I have big problems with getting away from the pack in the mountains , I`ve tried with riders like Vino Kloden and Valverde , and I have never gotten away evene if there is guy with 76 in MO doing a relay in the peleton. So it always comes to a bunch sprint. I know others have had the same problem , so just wonder if the problem is supposed to be solved`?
Edited by Boasson Hagen Jr on 22-07-2007 00:35
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| Addy291 |
Posted on 22-07-2007 15:08
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what was the form like of the riders you tried with?, if it was crap then thats the reason.
If it was ok then the 76MO guys form might have been aweseme,
What difficulty do you play on, aswell?
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