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Is Cancellara clean ?
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| Juan |
Posted on 14-01-2009 16:39
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No link between this thread and current news, but since one week, i've been speaking with friends about Cancellara, and we asked ourselves if he was a clean rider.
Two things looked strange for me, the first is him leading the pack very fast in the Alps, and the second is the fact that he missed the Varese TT championships, after having led CSC to victory in Tour de Pologne TTT. Plus, the TT suited him a lot ( a bit like the Olympics)
So, I wanted to have the opinion of PCM Daily's members 
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| tomzk111 |
Posted on 14-01-2009 16:41
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I think he isn't simply because i'm naive and would like to think one of my favourite riders is not on drugs.
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| Gutierrez |
Posted on 14-01-2009 16:42
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Inouncent until guilty
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| Roman Kreuziger |
Posted on 14-01-2009 16:45
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It's hard to predict with every rider of course, though if he's not taken by the anti-doping he's clean!
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| olabj |
Posted on 14-01-2009 16:51
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Inouncent until guilty
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 14-01-2009 16:56
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Andreas_K wrote:
the second is the fact that he missed the Varese TT championships, after having led CSC to victory in Tour de Pologne TTT. Plus, the TT suited him a lot ( a bit like the Olympics)
The Tour de Pologne TTT was 4km long. CSC had other good time trialists there and the competition was not particularly high. So the fact that he was involved there should not mean anything at all. Also, he had a long season, and what makes you think that doping controls at the Worlds would be better than those at, for example, the Tour or the Olympics.
Personally I dont have a particular opinion. Theres always going to be those who believe the strong riders are all doped (wasnt he also supposedly one of ASO's targeted riders?), while others will believe most riders are clean. We wont know that he has doped until he tests positive, and likewise it is hard to know if he is clean, because how do you prove that? The tests dont cater for all drugs, and its naive to trust a rider just because they say are clean. I hope he is clean, but its not going to change my opinion of cycling if he isnt. |
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 14-01-2009 16:57
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Roman Kreuziger wrote:
It's hard to predict with every rider of course, though if he's not taken by the anti-doping he's clean!
Calling it now: Contador is as innocent and clean as kittens and newly fallen snow.
While i agree on the "innocent until guilty" part, i still dont think he's clean. Cancellara that is.
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| Juan |
Posted on 14-01-2009 17:02
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SportingNonsense wrote:
Andreas_K wrote:
the second is the fact that he missed the Varese TT championships, after having led CSC to victory in Tour de Pologne TTT. Plus, the TT suited him a lot ( a bit like the Olympics)
The Tour de Pologne TTT was 4km long. CSC had other good time trialists there and the competition was not particularly high. So the fact that he was involved there should not mean anything at all. Also, he had a long season, and what makes you think that doping controls at the Worlds would be better than those at, for example, the Tour or the Olympics.
Personally I dont have a particular opinion. Theres always going to be those who believe the strong riders are all doped (wasnt he also supposedly one of ASO's targeted riders?), while others will believe most riders are clean. We wont know that he has doped until he tests positive, and likewise it is hard to know if he is clean, because how do you prove that? The tests dont cater for all drugs, and its naive to trust a rider just because they say are clean. I hope he is clean, but its not going to change my opinion of cycling if he isnt.
What I think that Cancellara didn't go to Varese because of too many rumors and suspicions.
Contador, Leipheimer also had long seasons, but they came to Varese, didn't they ?
But I agree with you on the other part.
Edited by Juan on 14-01-2009 17:07
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 14-01-2009 17:08
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Gutierrez wrote:
Inouncent until guilty You're not an UCI official, you're not asked a fact, but an opinion, on solid basis or not. Of course you can't tell the truth, except if you say "innocent until proven guilty".
Now, as for my opinion (which is nothing more than an opinion, people will judge if it's serious or not) : there's no smoke without fire.
Cancellara is riding for a team which is highly suspicious, even though they've had very few positive cases (Basso).
His sports director is... Bjarne Riis.
Almost every year (for 2 or 3 years now) there have been rumours that Cancellara's positive test was about to be announced. It never happened.
He's one of the strongest riders around, on any kind of roads (flat, sprint, cobbles, hills, mountains now), there are certainly loads of dopeheads among the very best riders in each of those specialities. Yet Cancellara would be stronger than all of them without dope ? When you know how much dope can improve one man's performances, you wouldn't believe such a thing. |
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| Juan |
Posted on 14-01-2009 17:10
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Aquarius wrote:
Gutierrez wrote:
Inouncent until guilty You're not an UCI official, you're not asked a fact, but an opinion, on solid basis or not. Of course you can't tell the truth, except if you say "innocent until proven guilty".
Now, as for my opinion (which is nothing more than an opinion, people will judge if it's serious or not) : there's no smoke without fire.
Cancellara is riding for a team which is highly suspicious, even though they've had very few positive cases (Basso).
His sports director is... Bjarne Riis.
Almost every year (for 2 or 3 years now) there have been rumours that Cancellara's positive test was about to be announced. It never happened.
He's one of the strongest riders around, on any kind of roads (flat, sprint, cobbles, hills, mountains now), there are certainly loads of dopeheads among the very best riders in each of those specialities. Yet Cancellara would be stronger than all of them without dope ? When you know how much dope can improve one man's performances, you wouldn't believe such a thing.
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| Dankan |
Posted on 14-01-2009 17:12
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I don't know what you all are doing here when you wonder whether a rider is clean or not, every time you see a great performance. |
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| Juan |
Posted on 14-01-2009 17:15
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Dankan wrote:
I don't know what you all are doing here when you wonder whether a rider is clean or not, every time you see a great performance.
The thing is that I did the poll just on Cancellara, and not on Contador, Sastre, who made way better performance this year
And i didn't start this thread because there were great performance from Cancellara, but just because I was wondering on this topic with friends |
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| ember |
Posted on 14-01-2009 17:31
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Gutierrez wrote:
Inouncent until guilty
Agree too. |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 14-01-2009 17:40
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Andreas_K wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
Andreas_K wrote:
the second is the fact that he missed the Varese TT championships, after having led CSC to victory in Tour de Pologne TTT. Plus, the TT suited him a lot ( a bit like the Olympics)
The Tour de Pologne TTT was 4km long. CSC had other good time trialists there and the competition was not particularly high. So the fact that he was involved there should not mean anything at all. Also, he had a long season, and what makes you think that doping controls at the Worlds would be better than those at, for example, the Tour or the Olympics.
What I think that Cancellara didn't go to Varese because of too many rumors and suspicions.
Contador, Leipheimer also had long seasons, but they came to Varese, didn't they ?
Contador and Leipheimer had come off performing well at the Vuelta so were still in good form |
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| jim1996 |
Posted on 14-01-2009 17:57
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Some of the big stars have beed doped at least once because the competition is high,and because the man body tires and the doping helps you to have a higher power limit...
But some other big stars have a little bit more tallent and they can ride whit the other "doped" riders...But i think that everyone gets some extra vitamines.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 14-01-2009 18:00
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ember wrote:
Gutierrez wrote:
Inouncent until guilty
Agree too.
As Aquarius said, we're all in favour of that. But that doesn't mean that you're not allowed to say whether or not that YOU think he's doped. You can think and believe it even without 100 % solid proof.
Other than that, SN basically said what I'm feeling on this matter. |
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 14-01-2009 18:06
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for me he is more talented than Contador or any other cyclist still in activity, but he is too big to climb . I don't think he is doped by not clean like a baby, maybe some time in his career he took some drugs
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 14-01-2009 18:39
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it's almost got to the stage where nobody can be said to be "definatly clean", as SN said, how do you know.
I'd like to believe every rider is clean, but i don't.
It's a shame. But at least cycling's getting to the bottom of the subject whilst other sports sit in denial.
There's no point slapping a schleck - Sean Kelly on "Who needs a slap"
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| t-baum |
Posted on 14-01-2009 19:33
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I thought it was guilty until proven innocent these days...
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"We all know that wasn't the real footage of the Worlds anyway. That was just the staged footage to perpetuate the coverup that it was actually Vinokourov that won the race." |
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| Halvor |
Posted on 14-01-2009 20:36
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hey, the yes side leads, I voted no, because I read the question: Is Cancellara doped?". Fucking hell, I meant yes, he's not doped, SN's first post says it all  |
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