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| Shooting Star |
Posted on 07-10-2008 14:57
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I think we all are fed up with the doping scandals that keep coming up every single year. It seems that noone can be trusted anymore, because just when you thought a rider was clean, suddenly the next day he's taken away in handcuffs on his way to the police station. There have been several riders the last couple of years I've rooted for, like Pieopoli and Ricco for example, only to be disappointed when I find out that they have cheated. Maybe a boycott of cycling one year would send a clear message to all cyclists out there. I know that would be unfair to all the clean riders, but we have to draw the line somewhere. This is probably never going to happen, but if this just keeps going on forever and ever, I don't know if I'll be watching cycling anymore. |
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| rodda |
Posted on 07-10-2008 15:04
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do you watch any other sport?? 
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Posted on 07-10-2008 15:15
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rodda wrote:
do you watch any other sport??
Yes. Why? |
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 07-10-2008 15:22
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Well, I'd consider a boycott of the TdF for totally different reasons.
I know who won the Giro and Vuelta and all the other races for the last few years. And no doubt there were a fair few doped winners. And it doesn't really bother me.
However, the time I've spent following the Tour the last 3 years has been a complete and utter waste of time as they keep on changing the results.....
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| rodda |
Posted on 07-10-2008 15:24
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Shooting Star wrote:
rodda wrote:
do you watch any other sport??
Yes. Why?
In my opinion there is doping in a lot of sports, and that we hear so much abou it in cycling is a good thing as it means they are getting caught and at least something is being done about it
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| issoisso |
Posted on 07-10-2008 15:25
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Shooting Star wrote:
I think we all are fed up with the doping scandals that keep coming up every single year. It seems that noone can be trusted anymore, because just when you thought a rider was clean, suddenly the next day he's taken away in handcuffs on his way to the police station.
That's because fanboys keep saying "I'm 100% sure Andy Schleck [just an example, could be any other rider] is clean" when in reality the only reason for them to think that rider is clean is that they love that rider.
Where there's smoke there's fire. Has any rider been caught so far where there was no smoke before the fire? Nope.
People find it easier to pretend everyone is clean despite the obviousness and dismiss those who point out the smoking guns as "haters" and other useless shit. And then they're very surprised.
Well, you know what? The guy who keeps ignoring the sun everyday will be very surprised when he gets his head shoved into that big yellow ball one day.
Shooting Star wrote:
There have been several riders the last couple of years I've rooted for, like Pieopoli and Ricco for example, only to be disappointed when I find out that they have cheated. Maybe a boycott of cycling one year would send a clear message to all cyclists out there. I know that would be unfair to all the clean riders, but we have to draw the line somewhere. This is probably never going to happen, but if this just keeps going on forever and ever, I don't know if I'll be watching cycling anymore.
On one hand, that will have zero effect on the dopers, they'll continue doing what they do. On the other hand, that's giving up. That's letting them win.
I refuse to let the dopers win. Until I see clean riders winning the biggest races I refuse to quit. |
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| Shooting Star |
Posted on 07-10-2008 15:30
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rodda wrote:
Shooting Star wrote:
rodda wrote:
do you watch any other sport??
Yes. Why?
In my opinion there is doping in a lot of sports, and that we hear so much abou it in cycling is a good thing as it means they are getting caught and at least something is being done about it
That I agree with. I think doping is just as big a problem in cycling as it is in baseball or american football, where they barely do anything about the problem.
Edited by Shooting Star on 07-10-2008 15:34
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| Shooting Star |
Posted on 07-10-2008 15:37
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Shooting Star wrote:
rodda wrote:
Shooting Star wrote:
rodda wrote:
do you watch any other sport??
Yes. Why?
In my opinion there is doping in a lot of sports, and that we hear so much abou it in cycling is a good thing as it means they are getting caught and at least something is being done about it
That I agree with. I think doping is just as big a problem in cycling as it is in baseball or american football, where they barely do anything about the problem.
When I think about it, the steroid issues they have in those sports are far greater than those of doping in cycling. So yes, cycling is doing a great job of cleaning up. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 07-10-2008 15:39
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I'd rather keep boycotting naivety.
Rooting for Ricco and Piepoli then being disappointed is being naive, hypocrite or lacking knowledge of professional cycling people, uses and habits.
I believe that it's not the scandals that are killing cycling, but doping. Scandals are nothing but a side effect of doping. You could still argue that it'd be more simple to prevent scandals than to prevent doping, that sponsors and medias would be happy that way. That's what happened till early 1998, but I really don't buy that. |
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| Smoothie |
Posted on 07-10-2008 15:47
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Why Boycott now when everything is going so well. We are getting the idiots on whatever and a warning is being sent out to everyone else. Like isso i never will quit my crusade against Dopers until a rider you know is fully clean wins the biggest race. but boycotting would be stupid, at the end of the day its the best sport in the world. |
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| Ennyzor |
Posted on 07-10-2008 15:51
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I would rather watch a Tour full of doped riders, than a 6 day race with only clean riders, which is exactly whats going to happen if there were no doping at all. Im amazed that people still believe that the majority of the riders are clean.
But then again, you wont win a Tour just by being doped. especially not if everyone else is aswell  |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 07-10-2008 15:56
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I think that's a wrong assumption, Ennyzor. It's not about that. Read this quote:
What the general public can never grasp is that I and other like-minded athletes(the vast majority of guys at the top) have a hunger to win that completely overpowers any ethical misgivings. To put it bluntly, a set of rules and ethics are meaningless to athletes that are as passionate and driven to win as me and others at the top level, no one can ever stop us from doing everything that is physically possible to win at the highest level and to crush our competition
It's from this post: https://pcmdaily.c...ost_144804
.. and I totally agree with him. No matter if the race is 3 weeks long, or if it's just 2 days, riders will do everything to win. And if doping can give you advantage - which it does, even in 2 days races - they'll use it. |
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| Gutierrez |
Posted on 07-10-2008 15:59
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I think if me boycotted cycling it would give the wrong message, instead of encouraging the clean up it would give the picture that cheating is ok which it isn't |
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| Shooting Star |
Posted on 07-10-2008 15:59
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Aquarius wrote:
I'd rather keep boycotting naivety.
Rooting for Ricco and Piepoli then being disappointed is being naive, hypocrite or lacking knowledge of professional cycling people, uses and habits.
I believe that it's not the scandals that are killing cycling, but doping. Scandals are nothing but a side effect of doping. You could still argue that it'd be more simple to prevent scandals than to prevent doping, that sponsors and medias would be happy that way. That's what happened till early 1998, but I really don't buy that.
Why am I naive because I rooted for Ricco and Piepoli? FYI, I liked Piepoli for years and I also rooted for Ricco before this years' TdF. But while we're at it, Kohl and Vandevelde far exceeded their expectations for TdF too. How do we know they're not doped? |
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Posted on 07-10-2008 16:01
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they don't dope because they are bad human or do you think there are so much bad human in cycling
they dope because they get into the poition to have nothing else
either they ride good or they have no work and be ruined 
I am the king.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 07-10-2008 16:04
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Shooting Star wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
I'd rather keep boycotting naivety.
Rooting for Ricco and Piepoli then being disappointed is being naive, hypocrite or lacking knowledge of professional cycling people, uses and habits.
I believe that it's not the scandals that are killing cycling, but doping. Scandals are nothing but a side effect of doping. You could still argue that it'd be more simple to prevent scandals than to prevent doping, that sponsors and medias would be happy that way. That's what happened till early 1998, but I really don't buy that.
Why am I naive because I rooted for Ricco and Piepoli? FYI, I liked Piepoli for years and I also rooted for Ricco before this years' TdF. But while we're at it, Kohl and Vandevelde far exceeded their expectations for TdF too. How do we know they're not doped?
Simple. Find me one piece of indication that Vande Velde and Kohl are doped. Don't be like the idiots who say "rider X is good, so he's doped", but actually find me some real indication.
It's easy in Kohl's case, because he's guilty as hell.
As for Riccò and Piepoli it's because it's obvious. Especially when Riccò was even busted as a junior rider and had a lot of trouble turning pro due to his blood values.
Edited by issoisso on 07-10-2008 16:05
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| Shooting Star |
Posted on 07-10-2008 16:12
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issoisso wrote:
Shooting Star wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
I'd rather keep boycotting naivety.
Rooting for Ricco and Piepoli then being disappointed is being naive, hypocrite or lacking knowledge of professional cycling people, uses and habits.
I believe that it's not the scandals that are killing cycling, but doping. Scandals are nothing but a side effect of doping. You could still argue that it'd be more simple to prevent scandals than to prevent doping, that sponsors and medias would be happy that way. That's what happened till early 1998, but I really don't buy that.
Why am I naive because I rooted for Ricco and Piepoli? FYI, I liked Piepoli for years and I also rooted for Ricco before this years' TdF. But while we're at it, Kohl and Vandevelde far exceeded their expectations for TdF too. How do we know they're not doped?
Simple. Find me one piece of indication that Vande Velde and Kohl are doped. Don't be like the idiots who say "rider X is good, so he's doped", but actually find me some real indication.
It's easy in Kohl's case, because he's guilty as hell.
As for Riccò and Piepoli it's because it's obvious. Especially when Riccò was even busted as a junior rider and had a lot of trouble turning pro due to his blood values.
Yeah, it's easy to know the truth after it's happened. I heard on several news stations how they praised Ricco and called him the next Pantani. I like to think that a man is innocent until proven guilty.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 07-10-2008 16:16
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Piepoli, well, he's that old fart, buddy with Simoni (who has also been caught several times), climbing at incredible speeds, riding for a team with a very bad reputation about doping, who was already caught twice last year with abnormal hormonal values.
And it wasn't naive to root for him while expecting he is clean ?
Ricco was caught at the juniors, goes around the peloton saying how great it is to dope, explained to his former team mates in younger categories how to dope, climbs as fast as Piepoli (too fast to be natural), plus what issoisso said.
If that guy was clean I'm the Queen of England, I didn't wait for his positive test this year to make my mind about him.
Kohl's case is clear enough, it won't be a surprise if it becomes official he has been caught in a couple of days.
I could argue more about him if necessary, but I'll wait a little before doing it.
As for Vande Velde, to be honest I don't really trust him, but he's got the benefit of the doubt, since I don't have that much evidence against him. He's ridden for US Postal and CSC, two teams which have or had team doping systems. He's even stronger now, when simply his age should start making him worst. Of course now he's a leader when he was only a domestique before, so that might explain a part of the performance boost. |
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| Shooting Star |
Posted on 07-10-2008 16:26
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Aquarius wrote:
Piepoli, well, he's that old fart, buddy with Simoni (who has also been caught several times), climbing at incredible speeds, riding for a team with a very bad reputation about doping, who was already caught twice last year with abnormal hormonal values.
And it wasn't naive to root for him while expecting he is clean ?
Ricco was caught at the juniors, goes around the peloton saying how great it is to dope, explained to his former team mates in younger categories how to dope, climbs as fast as Piepoli (too fast to be natural), plus what issoisso said.
If that guy was clean I'm the Queen of England, I didn't wait for his positive test this year to make my mind about him.
Kohl's case is clear enough, it won't be a surprise if it becomes official he has been caught in a couple of days.
I could argue more about him if necessary, but I'll wait a little before doing it.
As for Vande Velde, to be honest I don't really trust him, but he's got the benefit of the doubt, since I don't have that much evidence against him. He's ridden for US Postal and CSC, two teams which have or had team doping systems. He's even stronger now, when simply his age should start making him worst. Of course now he's a leader when he was only a domestique before, so that might explain a part of the performance boost.
I like to give the benefit of the doubt to guys before judging them based on my own opinions. That being said, YES, I got very suspicious when Piepoli rode so well and especially that breakaway to Ricco in the TdF. |
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 07-10-2008 16:38
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Boycott cycling? Yes, lets show that we indirectly support the sport by giving sponsors even less reason to put money in it
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