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The Politics Thread
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| Crommy |
Posted on 08-07-2007 07:52
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Well, this is just a thread primarily for me and issoisso, but others are free to join in. Given your strong views issoisso, I'll let you choose the first topic to argue, sorry, I mean discuss 
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| issoisso |
Posted on 08-07-2007 10:12
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sorry. I prefer not to. trust me, it'll turn violent. I'm a bit too pationate on some of the world's issues (read: wars)
I'll try to stay away from this thread Crommy. sorry. |
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| Crommy |
Posted on 08-07-2007 10:13
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Come on, I love debates, and I really don't mind if you get violent - it just shows how much you care about somthing 
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 09-07-2007 08:31
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Well, actually I dream of becoming a politician so I have some views too  Just need a subject. |
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| Crommy |
Posted on 09-07-2007 08:47
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Lets start off with a fairly hard topic, great for discussion, and something that I've wanted to debate for a while.
Can true (yes, true communism, not that Soviet rubbish) actually work?
I believe that it both can and cannot. The problem is, I don't feel it can work on a large scale, as for everyone to be equal, everyone must have an equal say in running affairs, and organising that kind of level of equality for thousands or millions would be impossible. Well actually, not possible, but extremely hard, and very time consuming, nothing would get done. On a small scale, it of course could work, as it's easy to decide what to do as you only need a quick vote, making it a fair, communist decision. But how can you do it for a whole country - you can't have a ruler or leader, that isn't true communism - everyone must decide on all policies the government makes. It just wouldn't work
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| Crommy |
Posted on 10-07-2007 22:33
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hmmm, nobody seems to want to debate. Its strange, we can always debate randomly in a topic, but when asked to think of a topic to be discussed that everyone wants to join in, we're stumped.
Seriously, and ideas for debated welcome, I'll join in straight away
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 10-07-2007 22:49
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In theory Communism would work well, in practice it just didn't. Thats human nature for you.
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| sakai5 |
Posted on 10-07-2007 22:54
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Don't know if u read something about Maslow. But in his theory of people priorities it appears own ambition as one. What i mean is that want needed to be praise, to be good in something more than others. How can an hard worker can be equal of a lazy one. Equal justice is OK. But equal status is different and even more complex. |
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| Crommy |
Posted on 11-07-2007 08:34
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Thank you sakai, that was a much clearer and more eloquent version of what I wanted to say
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| Karl_rab |
Posted on 11-07-2007 08:39
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Maybe you should focus on a political scandal in cycling seeing as the majority of the forum is interested in cycling and not politics .
Maybe start with the Landis Arbitration panels decision, its coming up soon.
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| Polti |
Posted on 11-07-2007 10:01
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In my view, communism can't work by definition. people respond to incentives. and in communism you don't have any incentives to to study or something. you don't have incentives to work hard and give your best. one possibility would be to make some parameters for different jobs or something like that, but that would be the opposite of the communism-thought and too time wasting. |
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| Crommy |
Posted on 11-07-2007 11:01
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Yes, but in communism, if everyone is equal, there is some incentive - the harder you work, the more you produce, and the more you get. It's difficult though, that would only work on a local level. Theoretically, for communism to work, you'd have to pslit whole countries down into thousands of independent communes. However, the human population would then stagnate - no technological advances or anything
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| Polti |
Posted on 11-07-2007 11:29
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hmm, i can't follow you; why do you think that in communism you get more, the harder you work? |
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| Crommy |
Posted on 11-07-2007 11:34
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Everything has to be shared equally. Therefore the more there is in total, then the more each person gets. I know this can't work for most goods, but for items like food, it would work. However, it would rely on all people working hard, which requires trust. Trust is fundamental to communism, and is why it will probably never work on a global scale
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| Polti |
Posted on 11-07-2007 17:11
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yes, thats the point. there cannot be a choice of a society. every individual makes his own decision and every individual has different preferences. that turns into the famous free-rider problem when someone thinks that its no problem that i don't work hard and the others do and so i have more food for example without working hard. and because the most or even all do think so you have the problem of communism.
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| Crommy |
Posted on 13-07-2007 10:30
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Boris for mayor of London
https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politic...897028.stm
How great would that be, bumbling Boris actually given power. Funny for all outside of London, awful for those living inside
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| Dan_Grr |
Posted on 22-09-2007 17:12
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At last, I discovered this precious. I shall burn this thread into oblivion, because I AM...
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| IFF |
Posted on 23-09-2007 11:31
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Crommy wrote:
Everything has to be shared equally. Therefore the more there is in total, then the more each person gets. I know this can't work for most goods, but for items like food, it would work. However, it would rely on all people working hard, which requires trust. Trust is fundamental to communism, and is why it will probably never work on a global scale
but if we were to look at each small community and not on a global scale , then with the community working together, the community could, in theory at least, work well as communists
or something to make in those sort of words |
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| rodda |
Posted on 23-09-2007 11:38
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elections to be called in australia soon (not that anybody cares)
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| Crommy |
Posted on 23-09-2007 11:39
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Then we would be going backwards, not forwards as a human race
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