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| Wiggo |
Posted on 22-09-2008 19:46
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I want to make my own db for me with about 23 great historical riders that are slightly under rated to help the present riders do things. I only want a max 23. Any suggestions for new riders and maybe their stats would be welcome. I definately want these riders:
Armstrong
Pantani
Ullrich
Anquetil
Merckx
Poulidor
Coppi
Bartali
Indurain
Museuw
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| Wiggo |
Posted on 23-09-2008 07:10
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| Halvor |
Posted on 23-09-2008 07:14
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I didn't understand your question... |
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| Wiggo |
Posted on 23-09-2008 07:15
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What don't you understand? |
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| Halvor |
Posted on 23-09-2008 07:16
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which riders do you want? |
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| Wiggo |
Posted on 23-09-2008 07:17
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Armstrong
Pantani
Ullrich
Anquetil
Merckx
Poulidor
Coppi
Bartali
Indurain
Museuw
and any suggestions. And I need help with their stats. |
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| Jakub_MSP |
Posted on 23-09-2008 11:33
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Maggot wrote:
Armstrong
Pantani
Ullrich
Anquetil
Merckx
Poulidor
Coppi
Bartali
Indurain
Museuw
and any suggestions. And I need help with their stats.
I remeber only two of them, but for me they were something like these:
Armstrong
FL 73
MO 82
HI 80
TT 82
STA 79
RES 81
REC 82
FIG 79
SP 59
ACC 76
Ulrich
FL 72
MO 81
HI 80
TT 81
STA 77
RES 80
REC 80
FIG 73
SP 59
ACC 70 |
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| kazzzz |
Posted on 23-09-2008 11:43
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Hi Maggot,
I would add to your list these guys:
Riis
LeMond
Olano
Rominger
Gimondi
Bahamontes
Jalabert
and maybe Sean Kelly and Abdoujaparov
Edited by kazzzz on 23-09-2008 11:44
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| Wiggo |
Posted on 23-09-2008 22:08
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| ponka00 |
Posted on 24-09-2008 06:45
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Jakub_MSP wrote:
Maggot wrote:
Armstrong
Pantani
Ullrich
Anquetil
Merckx
Poulidor
Coppi
Bartali
Indurain
Museuw
and any suggestions. And I need help with their stats.
I remeber only two of them, but for me they were something like these:
Armstrong
FL 73
MO 82
HI 80
TT 83
STA 79
RES 81
REC 85
FIG 79
SP 69
ACC 79
Ulrich
FL 72
MO 81
HI 80
TT 81
STA 77
RES 80
REC 80
FIG 73
SP 59
ACC 70
Changed it...
Edited by ponka00 on 24-09-2008 06:46
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| Wiggo |
Posted on 24-09-2008 06:47
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I'll keep it like that. I don't want hinm to own too much. |
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| Wiggo |
Posted on 25-09-2008 12:45
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| Wiggo |
Posted on 26-09-2008 17:16
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| mesq |
Posted on 26-09-2008 18:39
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As far as I remember, Merckx was the ultimate all-round rider, so I think no value should be less than 75.
FL: 77
MO: 83
HI: 81
DH: 79
TT: 83
STA: 81
RES: 83
REC: 85
C0BB: 81
FI: 77
SP: 79
ACC: 85
Poulidor was more of a classic climber+trialist combo:
FL: 72
MO: 82
HI: 80
DH: 77
TT: 81
STA: 77
RES: 79
REC: 75
C0BB: 72
FI: 81
SP: 59 (my father used to tell me that Poulidor was actually a very good sprinter at the early stages of his career, though)
ACC: 80
Museeuw was for me one of the great masters of the Monuments, along with Vlaeminck:
FL: 79
MO: 69
HI: 82
DH: 70
TT: 76
STA: 70
RES: 80
REC: 69
C0BB: 83
FI: 81
SP: 74
ACC: 79
And now for my take on Pantani:
FL: 65
MO: 85
HI: 77
DH: 79
TT: 69
STA: 77
RES: 77
REC: 77
C0BB: honestly I don't remember Pantani taking on the pavés, 55???
FI: 79
SP: 61
ACC: 81 |
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| Wiggo |
Posted on 26-09-2008 18:40
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Thanks Mesq! |
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| ponka00 |
Posted on 26-09-2008 19:10
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mesq wrote:
And now for my take on Pantani:
FL: 65
MO: 85
HI: 77
DH: 79
TT: 69
STA: 77
RES: 77
REC: 77
C0BB: honestly I don't remember Pantani taking on the pavés, 55???
FI: 79
SP: 61
ACC: 81
Pantani was better in the mountains, but not 3 points better than Armstrong... |
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| mesq |
Posted on 26-09-2008 20:40
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I assume that these stats are meant for database creation, so I'd tweak them a bit in order to enhance the game's realism. 
Even though Pantani's climb rating is 85, his endurance+recovery ratings are no more than 77, while Armastrong has all of these ratings above 80; which means that, should Pantani finish with a huge lead in a mountains stage, it wouldn't be likely for him to be as successful in future stages.
Let's say that, out of three mountain stages, Pantani would win one with a reasonable lead, but Armstrong would win the other two...I guess this would be realistic.
I also underrated a bit Merckx's fighting ability; I once added him to the database with an 82 fighter rating (closer to real life), but he'd be completely unstoppable, even more than in RL... |
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| mesq |
Posted on 26-09-2008 20:49
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Maggot wrote:
Thanks Mesq!
You're welcome ;-)
BTW, I also created Joaquim Agostinho for the database, with these ratings,
FL: 74
MO: 83
HI: 76
DH: 75
TT: 81
STA: 76
RES: 80
REC: 76
C0BB: 53 (or even less; Agostinho was truly awful with the pavés)
FI: 80
SP: 67
ACC: 78
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| Jakub_MSP |
Posted on 27-09-2008 21:14
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mesq wrote:
As far as I remember, Merckx was the ultimate all-round rider, so I think no value should be less than 75.
FL: 77
MO: 83
HI: 81
DH: 79
TT: 83
STA: 81
RES: 83
REC: 85
C0BB: 81
FI: 77
SP: 79
ACC: 85
Oh, that's too much, don't You think? This guy would win any grand tour by 20 minutes at least I don't think that he was such an excellent climber, my suggestion is, that he was great especially in STA/RES/REC, something like this...
FL: 77
MO: 77
HI: 78
DH: 77
TT: 78
STA: 83
RES: 85
REC: 83
C0BB: 75
FI: 77
SP: 75
ACC: 75 |
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| mesq |
Posted on 28-09-2008 10:05
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Jakub_MSP wrote:
mesq wrote:
As far as I remember, Merckx was the ultimate all-round rider, so I think no value should be less than 75.
FL: 77
MO: 83
HI: 81
DH: 79
TT: 83
STA: 81
RES: 83
REC: 85
C0BB: 81
FI: 77
SP: 79
ACC: 85
Oh, that's too much, don't You think? This guy would win any grand tour by 20 minutes at least I don't think that he was such an excellent climber, my suggestion is, that he was great especially in STA/RES/REC, something like this...
FL: 77
MO: 77
HI: 78
DH: 77
TT: 78
STA: 83
RES: 85
REC: 83
C0BB: 75
FI: 77
SP: 75
ACC: 75
Fuente and Lucien Van Impe were widely considered to be the finest pure climbers of their day (arguably two of the finest ever, indeed), and I remember clearly watching Merckx getting the better of them on several occasions. Not to mention that only Vlaeminck, Sean Kelly and Museeuw would compare to him in the Monuments...
Perhaps one could argue that his superhuman records were based mostly on his amazing pace. At least, the images from him which stand out to me the most are his sudden attacks: when he got off, nobody, I mean nobody, would catch up to him. He could singlehandedly shred the field, which is something I have never watched since. |
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