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Vuelta a Colombia Voting
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| Crommy |
Posted on 08-09-2008 19:42
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On stage 12, the control rider crashed and abandoned. Given this has never happened before, we had no idea what would happen.
It now appears the remaining stages can no longer be raced. It's up to you to decided what we do next:
1. End the Vuelta a Colombia now - current overall rankings give full ProTour points
2. Simulate the remaining stages
3. Cancel the Vuelta a Colombia - no points given whatsoever
4. End the Vuelta a Colombia now - overall rankings give scaled down ProTour points
Please do not vote simply on how well your riders are doing. Vote on what you think is fair
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| Cristi M |
Posted on 08-09-2008 19:47
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I think it's fair to end the vuelta a colombia and give full PT points. This happens IRL too due to bad weather or other issues and stages are simply canceled but not the whole stage race.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 08-09-2008 19:49
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Ive gone for the latter option. Full points shouldnt be received, since there were still a couple of important stages to come.
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| Cristi M |
Posted on 08-09-2008 19:50
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yes but 80 % of the race was reported...and this is tour is the longest after GTs.
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| mrlol |
Posted on 08-09-2008 19:52
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seems I posted my comment in the wrong thread  I though this one was locked. anyway:
I'd like to mention something similar(not completely but...) had happend already. the tirreno adriatico this year crashed. then my rider santambrogio was leading and I'm pretty sure I got scaled down pro tour points for it. So I think the same should be done now again, scaled down pro tour points. (cyanide and simming doesnt work...) |
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| Cristi M |
Posted on 08-09-2008 19:54
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yes that's clear that cyanide simulation is not a solution
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| SotD |
Posted on 08-09-2008 20:44
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I say option 2 or 4... Cause the race wasn't over yet, and things could still occur... |
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| t-baum |
Posted on 08-09-2008 20:54
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Sim the rest, i wanna see a sprinter win a mountain stage
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| Cristi M |
Posted on 08-09-2008 23:26
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and how much will scale down this points..it seems that the last option will be the winner
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| stemple |
Posted on 09-09-2008 01:15
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mrlol wrote:
seems I posted my comment in the wrong thread I though this one was locked. anyway:
I'd like to mention something similar(not completely but...) had happend already. the tirreno adriatico this year crashed. then my rider santambrogio was leading and I'm pretty sure I got scaled down pro tour points for it. So I think the same should be done now again, scaled down pro tour points. (cyanide and simming doesnt work...)
It wasn't this season, it was last. You received points and the race was done again. And i am pretty sure that Santambrogio wasn't going to hang on and wiin the race. Even though i feel pretty confident that Devolder would have probably won the race in the final TT, i think the race should end now, and full points be awarded. Especially as we have seen all the different kinds of stages that could have impacted the outcome. Had we not had any mountains, and a TTer was in the lead, when clearly we know he would loose it in the mountains, then that wouldn't be right. But we have seen hills, flats, mountains and time trials in the race, and i feel that the GC is a rather accurate portrayal of what would have been the final GC. So i think we say that a storm has blown through Columbia forciing the abandonement of the remainder of the tour, and points be awarded accordingly.
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| stemple |
Posted on 09-09-2008 01:17
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SportingNonsense wrote:
Ive gone for the latter option. Full points shouldnt be received, since there were still a couple of important stages to come.
I can see why you want scaled down points, seeing as don't have a rider within the top 10
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 09-09-2008 02:07
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stemple wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
Ive gone for the latter option. Full points shouldnt be received, since there were still a couple of important stages to come.
I can see why you want scaled down points, seeing as don't have a rider within the top 10
I trust SN to make an objective choice, not based on his own personal fortunes in the race, |
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| SotD |
Posted on 09-09-2008 06:42
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Deadpool wrote:
stemple wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
Ive gone for the latter option. Full points shouldnt be received, since there were still a couple of important stages to come.
I can see why you want scaled down points, seeing as don't have a rider within the top 10
I trust SN to make an objective choice, not based on his own personal fortunes in the race,
Agreed... That was just a lousy comment imo... I have Zubeldia in 10th I think. If we sim the rest, i'm pretty sure he will lose that 10th place, but nontheless I think that should be done when we have the opportunity to do so...
There's a clear pattern here... The guys with riders in top 3-4-5 want to give the race full points whereas the others don't. I hope it's a matter of randomness, and I think it is. In most cases anyway... For sure I believe SN to take the right decision here, he hasn't put his team infront of the games interests so far, so he should get quite some credit for that imo! |
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| mattiasgt |
Posted on 09-09-2008 12:03
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Typical that this happen to my most important race of the season..
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| mrlol |
Posted on 09-09-2008 14:55
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I'm amazed 6 people(33%) so far voted for simming  |
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| Crommy |
Posted on 09-09-2008 16:18
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I'm amazed more people have voted than there are ProTour managers 
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 09-09-2008 16:26
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Surely a mistake in the PCM.Daily accounting department
THE THOMAS VOECKLER PROPHET OF PCM DAILY
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| Cristi M |
Posted on 09-09-2008 19:32
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i asked for help on the official forum...in 10 mins i get respond if the issue can be fixed or not
Edit: The guy said that tomorrow in the morning will respond me.
Edited by Cristi M on 09-09-2008 19:42
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| stemple |
Posted on 09-09-2008 23:16
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SotD wrote:
Deadpool wrote:
stemple wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
Ive gone for the latter option. Full points shouldnt be received, since there were still a couple of important stages to come.
I can see why you want scaled down points, seeing as don't have a rider within the top 10
I trust SN to make an objective choice, not based on his own personal fortunes in the race,
Agreed... That was just a lousy comment imo... I have Zubeldia in 10th I think. If we sim the rest, i'm pretty sure he will lose that 10th place, but nontheless I think that should be done when we have the opportunity to do so...
There's a clear pattern here... The guys with riders in top 3-4-5 want to give the race full points whereas the others don't. I hope it's a matter of randomness, and I think it is. In most cases anyway... For sure I believe SN to take the right decision here, he hasn't put his team infront of the games interests so far, so he should get quite some credit for that imo!
As i said in my other post, you can't take away points from the people up there because the full race hasn't been run, when we have seen all the different stages that shape an outcome. Sure there are more stages that can shape an outcome, but that doesn't change the fact that the leader board is an accurate portrayel of how this stage race should turn out. My comment was only mean to point out that he would have a natural bias against giving full points, since he is one of the few teams that has a legit shot at the pro tour title, and by giving away fewer points here, then that can only help his cause.
Edited by stemple on 09-09-2008 23:19
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| Cristi M |
Posted on 09-09-2008 23:19
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yes but the 24h passed and the winner is the last option unfortunately...i still hope tomorrow in the morning i get a positive response to continue this race.
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