I was told by one rider that there are deals between some teams and the UCI concerning the training controls. So one has to assume that there is no general change going on. This rider told me that proudly. Then I knew: Nothing has changed"

despite Jaksche being under pressure to produce a big story so he can get paid big bucks that he needs to feed his family.....I still believe him.

Bavarian wrote:

Jaksche confessed that he doped throughout his entire career. His doping career started just when his Pro career started. At Polti 1997 he was given syringes with Vitamines which he should inject himself. In June 1997 he took his first dose of EPO. He also took some pills with the side effect that he got some pustules on his upper body and arms.

1999 at Telekom he took EPO and Growth hormons. Walter Goodefroot told the riders not to take dope with to races. According to Jaksche, Goodefroot didn't want to stop the riders from doping, but he didn't want them to dope in a stupid way. 8)

The biggest problem at the time was how to hide the doping stuff. One idea was to bury the stuff along the TdF route and dig it out later. Somebody else adviced to hide it in a vacuum cleaner with false bottom.

2001 to 2003 was another doping intense time at Once.

At CSC in 2004he took EPO again but above all cortisone. Jaksche said that he used cortisone throughout the entire year. He also points out that Riis knew of everything what happnened.

Back in Spain at Liberty 2005 he got to know Dr. Eufemio and started with blood doping. First Jaksche couldn't get along with all the in and out of his blood but then it worked. He also got some pills from Fuentes to hide EPO doping. You just needed to mix that stuff with the urine sample. Jaksche isn't telling any names. He claimsthat all the fuentes clients didn't know each other. Another rider ( still no name ) told Jaksche that that Fuentes offered him to pay a bit more for getting a more exclusive supply.

Jaksche doesn't want to incriminate any other rider. Indirectly he says though that Rominger and Vinokourov demanded a "better medical supply" from Manolo Saiz.

Bella Jorg also mentined that the Fuentes list is changing. One day there were some names missing. He also claimed that there are special arrangements between UCI and some team sconcerning training controles.

Finally Jaksche admitted that he would still be doping now if he hadn't been caught by the Fuenes List. Now a great statement:

" If you know that cycling hasn't changed you must continue. Doping is perverse, but the doping system is fair, as everybody is doping." 8)

Source: most suckiest German tabloid Bild.

"I don't want to burden any riders," Jaksche told 'Der Spiegel'. But he did. Even if he doesn't mention any names it is clear which rider Jaksche meant when he said: "Saiz [Manolo Saiz, team manager of Liberty seguros] had problems with a top rider from his team, who moveed to Liberty Seguros at the beginning of the year [2006] and who had a bad spring. The rider and his manager [Tony Rominger], who was my manager for five years as well, pressured Saiz. They wanted better medical care and Saiz got involved. He was stucked between a rock and a hard place: The top rider is expensive, Saiz had to justify himself for his sponsors. (...) Saiz returned to Fuentes because of this rider, that's why he had to pay those debts, that's why the whole thing came out."

SportingNonsense wrote:
Im not convinced that they will be kicked out and personally I'd rather theyd not be kicked out. Doped or not I'd still like to see them in London and they would make the mountain stages much more interesting.

UCI anti-doping representative Anne Gripper told German daily newspaper Handelsblatt: "It's rather likely that Astana will be excluded from the Tour. Nevertheless we have to wait for what Kessler's B probe might reveil," said the Australian.

so you're advocating it's okay to dope?

SportingNonsense wrote:


No, Id prefer riders to be clean, but until; theyre actually proven to have doped, have been banned and/or admitted and/or failed a drugs test - until then, I see no reason why they should be not allowed to race.