Group A: Villarreal CF (ESP), VfL Borussia Mönchengladbach (GER), FC Zürich (SUI), Apollon Limassol FC (CYP)
Group B: FC København (DEN), Club Brugge KV (BEL), Torino FC (ITA), HJK Helsinki (FIN)
Group C: Tottenham Hotspur FC (ENG), BeÅŸiktaÅŸ JK (TUR), FK Partizan (SRB), Asteras Tripolis FC (GRE)
Group D: FC Salzburg (AUT), Celtic FC (SCO), GNK Dinamo Zagreb (CRO), FC Astra Giurgiu (ROU)
Group E: PSV Eindhoven (NED), Panathinaikos FC (GRE), Estoril Praia (POR), FC Dinamo Moskva (RUS)
Group F: FC Internazionale Milano (ITA), FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk (UKR), AS Saint-Étienne (FRA), Qarabağ FK (AZE)
Group G: Sevilla FC (ESP, holders), R. Standard de Liège (BEL), Feyenoord (NED), HNK Rijeka (CRO)
Group H: LOSC Lille (FRA), VfL Wolfsburg (GER), Everton FC (ENG), FC Krasnodar (RUS)
Group I: SSC Napoli (ITA), AC Sparta Praha (CZE), BSC Young Boys (SUI), Å K Slovan Bratislava (SVK)
Group J: FC Dynamo Kyiv (UKR), FC Steaua BucureÅŸti (ROU), Rio Ave FC (POR), Aalborg BK (DEN)
Group K: ACF Fiorentina (ITA), PAOK FC (GRE), EA Guingamp (FRA), FC Dinamo Minsk (BLR)
Group L: FC Metalist Kharkiv (UKR), Trabzonspor AÅž (TUR), Legia Warszawa (POL), KSC Lokeren OV (BEL)
Feyenoord finally back in Europe. It was about time. Happy with their draw, Sevilla obviously won't be easy, might get 1 or 3 points home if we're lucky, but Standard Luik and Rijeka are definitely possible.
Funny gimmick: Feyenoord was after Rijeka's striker a few weeks ago.
Why do these Dutch fuckers get such an easy group? Pure luck. Hope Standard and especially Sevilla are strong enough to finish in front of them.
On another side, Everton's group is pretty decent, but once again nothing too hard. "We" will most likely pass it, but it won't be easy against any of these teams.
Partizan without any chances with both Tottenham and Besiktas in the group.
admirschleck wrote:
Why do these Dutch fuckers get such an easy group? Pure luck. Hope Standard and especially Sevilla are strong enough to finish in front of them.
UEFA conspiracy, they know that otherwise they can't get any points and give them weaker groups so that they can easily advance but their skill always catch up with them and always fail anyway.
No, I just wanted to see that chauvinistic club finishing in a harder group. Shamefully, they're lucky as hell.
Edited by admirschleck on 29-08-2014 17:33
No, I am talking about the club you support the most (a.k.a Feyenoord) and I am sure you exactly know about what I am talking about. Do not want to post the video here, as I clearly am not fan of chauvnism and racism.
Edited by admirschleck on 29-08-2014 17:55
admirschleck wrote:
No, I am talking about the club you support the most (a.k.a Feyenoord) and I am sure you exactly know about what I am talking about. Do not want to post the video here, as I do not support chauvnism and racism.
Feyenoord definitely is a chauvinistic club yeah
Go ahead, post ''The video''. (Backstory: Feyenoord once sang a ''classic''(Not nice, but it's football) chant with ''Referee'' replaced by ''Allah'' to Besiktas after Besiktas provoked them and threw stuff at disabled fans who were just enjoying the game. Admir is pissed about it.)
Anyways, any Standard Liège or Sevilla fans on this forum? Edited by Jesleyh on 29-08-2014 17:58
First, it's clear that the song wasn't meant to be an insult to referee. First match referee was Luca Banti (ITA), while second match referee was Felix Zwayer (GER). Fairly sure none of them is muslim. If "Allah" was replacement for "classic" song that referee's mother is a whore, then it's plain stupid. You should tell those guys to learn something about religion first.
Second thing, I am still not able to find any source, photo, video or anything like that, which I am sure would exist in Internet, especially after this signing saga, about Besiktas fans throwing stuff at disabled Feyenoord fans. Oh, except Twitter. Twitter accounts of Feyenoord fans, who were trying to find excuses (just as you're doing now) to what they did. Which are, you have to agree, really "accurate" source...
Third thing, why didn't UEFA ban and punished Besiktas, as well? On washingtontimes ( https://www.washin...-behavior/ ), I can just read that Feyenoord were the ones who sang that song and you were the ones who were throwing things and coins to other fans:
UEFA says its disciplinary panel also charged Feyenoord with crowd disturbances after fans threw fireworks and missiles during the same match .
Fairly sure UEFA would firstly ban Besiktas if there was any reason for that, especially for throwing stuff at disabled fans, which is an awful thing (and a lie, obviously).
That's pretty much why I started hating that chauvinistic and racistic club.
Also, any further discussion should really be moved to Dutch Football thread.
Edited by admirschleck on 29-08-2014 18:12
Duh, of course it's not meant to be an insult for referee, I'm not suggesting that, and you damn well know that.
Feyenoord fans don't give a damn about religion(except for being Anti-Ajax(''jews, but that's how they call theirselves and it's barely connected to actual jews).
Fine, since you do not take media as a source, take this;
It is mentioned in tons of reactions and even in the explaination of the vid of this big Dutch site here: https://www.dumper..._hoer.html
And yeah. All these Feyenoord fans obviously made it up. It was part of a complot to get back on Besiktas.
Its most definitely a lie.
About the UEFA, I'm not sure myself either, I don't think they investigated that. Fact is that Feyenoord doesn't sing this without any reason.
Sure, they might went too far, but Besiktas is guilty here too. Hating Feyenoord for this is simply not justified here, they were provoked and well, fanatic Feyenoord fans might go a bit over the line then, they are most definitely not the only one.
And also, to emphasize, it obviously wasn't all the 50k people in there who sang that. Most clubs have a crazy few, and so does Feyenoord. Hating the club for that small group is just wrong.
Feyenoord doesn't have a history of hating muslims and definitely aren't chauvinistic. Ajax is known to be the most chauvinistic club in NL, definitely.
With a often used motto ''We're Ajax, we're the best''. Even most Ajax fans won't deny this, let alone Dutch non-Ajax fans.
/rage
Fine, seems this discussion could as well end, though I doubt this would perfectly fit in Dutch Football too. CL would theoretically fit best(Feyenoord - Besiktas) but ok.
Edited by Jesleyh on 29-08-2014 18:33
See, I actually don't give a damn about Ajax. I am talking about Feyenoord. Anyone that has huge (which can be noticed from the video above) base of fans that sing something like that (which is directly against what I believe in) is just chauvinist, racist and deserve nothing but hate from my side.
What's funny is that you're trying to post multiple excuse to prove that they didn't do it first, that they actually didn't meant to say that bla, bla... So what they wanted to say with "Allah, your mother is a whore" - Allah is the greatest or what? When you say something, you mean it. I also don't know why are you even arguing here when there's a video that clearly shows and says what happened there.
As I said, UEFA would definitely punish Besiktas over Feyenoord if there was a reason for that and you know that well. The "UEFA didn't investigate that case well" argument is just...nonsense. Everyone on this world that knows a shit about football knows that UEFA are investigating every case (especially about banning certain teams from certain countries - especially Balkanian and Turkish teams) really well.
At the end, you're not gonna make me stop hating Feyenoord, so I once again repeat that it's pointless to even discuss about this. I have eyes and I have ears. I saw and heard what I did, so yeah, pretty much that's all. Pure chauvinism and racism there.
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