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| Coop |
Posted on 17-02-2008 15:37
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...and my other worldly friends too. Who will be the future of Ameican cycling? The Euro's have many young talents in the fold but who will represent the good ol' U S of A? |
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| t-baum |
Posted on 17-02-2008 15:39
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TAYLOR PHINNEY
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| matt493 |
Posted on 17-02-2008 15:42
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Jason Mccartney or Taylor Phinney |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 17-02-2008 16:54
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| Coop |
Posted on 17-02-2008 16:55
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Isn't McCartney 34? I agree that Phinney looks the most promising, We'll have to see how his body fills out though. His frame at 6' 4" or so could make him like Big George, great for Classics but not so great for the big stage races. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 17-02-2008 17:27
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Coop wrote:
Isn't McCartney 34? I agree that Phinney looks the most promising, We'll have to see how his body fills out though. His frame at 6' 4" or so could make him like Big George, great for Classics but not so great for the big stage races.
He has all that power and he's not that heavy. he'll be able to climb, trust me. How well? who knows. First rule of young prospect appreciation in every sport: more than half of those who look amazing at 16 won't ever be good enough to turn pro.
You can never really tell with youngsters. look at Andy Schleck. he showed so much promise last season, but of the riders who show that much talent at that age, one out of three goes on to live up to the hype and the other two end up anonymous. I can make a huge list of guys who got podiums in grand tours while very young, looked amazing and then disappeared off the map.
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| stuartmcstuart |
Posted on 17-02-2008 18:40
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issoisso wrote:
Coop wrote:
Isn't McCartney 34? I agree that Phinney looks the most promising, We'll have to see how his body fills out though. His frame at 6' 4" or so could make him like Big George, great for Classics but not so great for the big stage races.
He has all that power and he's not that heavy. he'll be able to climb, trust me. How well? who knows. First rule of young prospect appreciation in every sport: more than half of those who look amazing at 16 won't ever be good enough to turn pro.
You can never really tell with youngsters. look at Andy Schleck. he showed so much promise last season, but of the riders who show that much talent at that age, one out of three goes on to live up to the hype and the other two end up anonymous. I can make a huge list of guys who got podiums in grand tours while very young, looked amazing and then disappeared off the map.
Wouldn't be topped by a certain Damiano Cunego would it? |
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| schleck93 |
Posted on 17-02-2008 18:47
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What about Taylor Tolleson isn't he a big talent? |
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| stuartmcstuart |
Posted on 17-02-2008 18:50
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Taylor Phinney. Only guy that comes to mind. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 17-02-2008 19:00
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stuartmcstuart wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Coop wrote:
Isn't McCartney 34? I agree that Phinney looks the most promising, We'll have to see how his body fills out though. His frame at 6' 4" or so could make him like Big George, great for Classics but not so great for the big stage races.
He has all that power and he's not that heavy. he'll be able to climb, trust me. How well? who knows. First rule of young prospect appreciation in every sport: more than half of those who look amazing at 16 won't ever be good enough to turn pro.
You can never really tell with youngsters. look at Andy Schleck. he showed so much promise last season, but of the riders who show that much talent at that age, one out of three goes on to live up to the hype and the other two end up anonymous. I can make a huge list of guys who got podiums in grand tours while very young, looked amazing and then disappeared off the map.
Wouldn't be topped by a certain Damiano Cunego would it?
Cunego is very far from being a bust. he's already a sure thing. "already" is actually a bad word since he's 26
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| stuartmcstuart |
Posted on 17-02-2008 19:02
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yeah I know he aint exactly a 'flop', but I think most people would have ecpected more since 2004. Out of curiousity, who would top your list of young riders who flatter to deceive? |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 17-02-2008 19:22
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stuartmcstuart wrote:
yeah I know he aint exactly a 'flop', but I think most people would have ecpected more since 2004. Out of curiousity, who would top your list of young riders who flatter to deceive?
top the list? Isidro Nozal. was one stage away from winning the Vuelta as a neo-pro. then disappeared.
Or Evgeni Berzin. won the Giro at his first try ahead of Pantani and Induráin, one month after winning Liége. went on to wear yellow at the Tour. But his horrible superstar attitude did him in.
And as for Cunego, in 2004 he didn't exactly dominate the mountains. he was let go because no one thought of him as a threat, so nobody chased. he won the stage and took the jersey. then he held on for the last few stages. He'd make a brilliant classics rider if he let go the silly idea of being a stage racer.
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Posted on 17-02-2008 19:53
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Ben King, Danny Summerhill, Ethan Weiss, Daniel Tisdel, Peter Stetina, Tyler Brandt, Ryan Eastman, Myself, Joel Schafer, etc etc. Mostly guys I race against.
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| niconico |
Posted on 17-02-2008 21:42
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issoisso wrote:
stuartmcstuart wrote:
yeah I know he aint exactly a 'flop', but I think most people would have ecpected more since 2004. Out of curiousity, who would top your list of young riders who flatter to deceive?
top the list? Isidro Nozal. was one stage away from winning the Vuelta as a neo-pro. then disappeared.
Or Evgeni Berzin. won the Giro at his first try ahead of Pantani and Induráin, one month after winning Liége. went on to wear yellow at the Tour. But his horrible superstar attitude did him in.
And as for Cunego, in 2004 he didn't exactly dominate the mountains. he was let go because no one thought of him as a threat, so nobody chased. he won the stage and took the jersey. then he held on for the last few stages. He'd make a brilliant classics rider if he let go the silly idea of being a stage racer.
Agreed.
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| brun sweater |
Posted on 17-02-2008 22:24
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| Darkphoenix |
Posted on 18-02-2008 05:10
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Levi4life wrote:
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Posted on 18-02-2008 12:39
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Or Evgeni Berzin. won the Giro at his first try ahead of Pantani and Induráin, one month after winning Liége. went on to wear yellow at the Tour. But his horrible superstar attitude did him in.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 18-02-2008 13:18
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I was intrested about Berzin..searching info about him..wasted talent. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 18-02-2008 14:40
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Guido Mukk wrote:
I was intrested about Berzin..searching info about him..wasted talent. Or "too much dope can waste a man" ?
He got one kidney removed because of his EPO abuses...
Let's legalise EPO and get some more Berzins, superstars for one year or two, then living deads for the remaining 50 years, given they don't die earlier... |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 18-02-2008 19:19
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Aquarius wrote:Or "too much dope can waste a man" ?
He got one kidney removed because of his EPO abuses...
the hell? I searched and searched and searched the web occasionally for years on Berzin and never heard that. more info please. (links, etc)
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