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Fictional Rider/Team Mod for PCM Daily 13 DB
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| Ulrich Ulriksen |
Posted on 24-11-2013 06:25
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About 2 years ago I had an urge to play PCM with a completely made up universe. I quickly decided that creating all new races and jerseys was way too much work so decided to focus on new riders and teams generated from the existing sponsors in the game.
I am calling this project a Mod because it is not really a complete new database but a way of creating fictional sets of riders and teams to be played with the PCMDaily 13 DB. Full credit to the PCM team for their excellent DB which is the foundation for my work. The over 600 sponsors in the latest PCM DB make for a nice variety of teams.
The riders and teams are are fictional but they are intended to look real. I have spent a lot of time making sure all the values work together and are within the bounds of possibility as we currently know it. You will not have 19 year-old superstars, sprinters with 81 speed and 64 acceleration, a Belgian team with no Belgian riders or the top 20 riders all coming from Andorra.
Attached is a set of 5 unique CDBs. I have included additional detail below including some screenshots. But the easiest way to get a feel for this is to download the file and try one of the CDB files out. It should take about 5 minutes to install. One qualifier, you must have installed the PCM Daily 13 DB to use these. The zip includes a readme file with specific instructions.
The other aspect is that I created the process so I could create new CDB’s quickly – in about 20 minutes. Because I can create completely new versions quickly if you like what you see here and want your own unique CDB let me know. I am willing to generate them, you may just need to give me time to get it done.
No idea what, if any, interest people will have this but it turned into a much bigger project than I originally realized so I thought I may as well share it.
https://www.mediafire.com/download/gf5...BRGMod.zip
Has this been tested?
Spoiler Sort of – you will note the CDBs have Beta in the title, there is a reason for that, I can only test so much myself. I have loaded a career and a few stages with every one of these beta files. I have played through an entire season with my first version for PCM 12. I have not tested beyond that. So a few things can still go wrong. Specifically:
(1)The installation includes minor fixes to a few of the sponsor uniforms in the PCM Daily DB, these were issues I encountered n my testing. Lluuiiggii kindly provided replacement files. But since I haven’t loaded a race with every team there may be others lurking.
(2) I don’t know how well the game will function over time. You may get weird transfers or unbalanced teams. It worked fine the one season I tried in PCM 12 and I don’t know of any reason it shouldn’t work, but I can’t guarantee it.
(3) Realism is subjective but if you notice rider, team or situation that you think is unrealistic, let me know. I am sure I have missed some stuff. If someone finds a pattern I will try and fix it in future versions.
One thing is not an error – I know Walmart is not Chinese and Fed Ex is not Belgian. Unfortunately there are far more US and UK sponsors than riders which creates some issues with team balance. Rather than reduce the number of sponsors available I decided to convert some of them to other nationalities. My justification would be NetApp, that is an American company but the cycling team is sponsored by the German subsidiary. I think this is pretty realistic in some of the cases where I made a change in others it is a stretch. I am thinking about other solutions.
What Tables Did You Change
Spoiler Most of the changes are in DYN_Cyclists and DYN_Team. These tables are unique within each CDB. Within those tables I generated every field in as realistic fashion as I could. So every rider has favorite races, height, weight, popularity etc. I also modified DYN_Sponsor in every CDB to set the sponsorship lengths. I also eliminated all the real palmares and more recent records and made some changes to DYN_Sponsor_regions (see the “ Has this been tested section”).
Some Screen Shots
Credits/Use
Spoiler Credit goes to the PCM Daily team for everything that makes this work without the PCMDaily DB this would not be possible. Feel free to use these CDB files in any way if you need riders for another project. If you would like your own CDB let me know as noted above.
Future Development
Spoiler What additional work I do this will depend on the interest I get from the community and where my interest takes me. In the near term I will probably focus on staring a career using a DB I create for myself. However I do have a couple of specific ideas for improvements:
(1) Compiling an expansion that would pull additional sponsor jerseys from other sources to allow more team variety.
(2) Improving the way riders get assigned to teams, I am not 100% happy with the current outcomes.
(3) Selecting the sponsors used in a CDB to create a better mix and respond to the strength of the rider nationalities generated ( A DB with a lot of good Norwegian riders makes more sense to have a Norwegian Pro Tour team) |
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| The Hobbit |
Posted on 24-11-2013 08:21
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Very interesting, thought about doing something like this myself once, but never got round to it.
I find a lot of the riders are very powerful, so it might be a bit odd with so many talents. For example you might get large groups on mt top finishes, or rather chaotic sprints. Just a tiny possible problem. |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 24-11-2013 08:39
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Great idea!
I love it, stats even realistic, though with a project like this, you'd expect them more or less randomized 
Though you could make a limit or so for WT teams, with reputation I mean:
Only International Sponsors or higher. Or maybe National if you think that's better, sponsors like dagblad van het noorden will never ever be WT
Is CT customized with good nationalities as well?
Team assigning(nationality wise)'could've been better, but I can easily edit that myself if I want to use on of these DBs
How about the potentials? Are there mainly young talents with high potential ornis it randomized?
Edited by Jesleyh on 24-11-2013 08:41
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| LLDS |
Posted on 24-11-2013 09:31
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This is just awesome.
I wanted to do that one day, but the work was just too big.
It seems that the Beta 8 is more balanced.
But they are all awesome. Good work !
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 24-11-2013 09:56
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Looked into it, it for sure looks nice
Though I must say there are a bit few BeNeLux WT teams as well 
I'm not sure, but I think I'd like an unique .cdb, if you're okay with that 
Edited by Jesleyh on 24-11-2013 16:57
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| LLDS |
Posted on 24-11-2013 10:27
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A unique DB with all the riders from all the DB  ?
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 24-11-2013 10:33
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No.
The other aspect is that I created the process so I could create new CDB’s quickly – in about 20 minutes. Because I can create completely new versions quickly if you like what you see here and want your own unique CDB let me know. I am willing to generate them, you may just need to give me time to get it done.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 24-11-2013 15:49
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Downloaded the DB's. Looked over a couple of them and yeah, really nice stuff. Good stat matrix, well balanced divisions. Great mixes of riders and nationalities. Lots of good looking jerseys and stuff. Really nice stuff. Will make a long term career more interesting and make a nice change from the standard.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 24-11-2013 17:24
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Could you tell us precisely what you mean with 'an unique .cdb' then?
Since I might be interested as said, but it might be unneccassary, since some of these .cdbs look quite satisfying(I will always edit it a bit to make it even better, since some things are a bit strange, but well, most of it already looks good )
More .cdbs to choose from is always good ofc, but it takes time...
Edited by Jesleyh on 24-11-2013 17:25
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| Ulrich Ulriksen |
Posted on 24-11-2013 20:20
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Thanks for the comments:
The Hobbit wrote:
Very interesting, thought about doing something like this myself once, but never got round to it.
I find a lot of the riders are very powerful, so it might be a bit odd with so many talents. For example you might get large groups on mt top finishes, or rather chaotic sprints. Just a tiny possible problem.
This is built off the PCM DB, ideally if we generated 1000 they should average out like the PCM DB. Some will have more good riders others less. For reasons I won't get into the randomization tends to push to the extremes. I ditched beta 1 to 6 because I had not balanced that sufficiently. I still think it probably biases too good but I count the number of riders with 77+ averages in each DB and it is not ridiculously high in any of them so I don't think it is crazy. I have run probably 10 stages across all betas and not seen the problem you raise of large group finishes on hard stages.
Jesleyh wrote:
Great idea!
I love it, stats even realistic, though with a project like this, you'd expect them more or less randomized
Though you could make a limit or so for WT teams, with reputation I mean:
Only International Sponsors or higher. Or maybe National if you think that's better, sponsors like dagblad van het noorden will never ever be WT
Is CT customized with good nationalities as well?
Team assigning(nationality wise)'could've been better, but I can easily edit that myself if I want to use on of these DBs
How about the potentials? Are there mainly young talents with high potential ornis it randomized?
Agree some sponsors will never be WT, but since I only have 600 (kudos to PCM Daily for getting that high) and there is 100 teams in each DB I decided I couldn't limit the WT choices and still keep some variety in the teams.
Agree, team assigning isn't perfect. Tried to make teams have a primary country and then a region, so Spanish speaking teams will tend to go to other Spanish speaking countries first. Some work better than others, agree if you mostly like a DB you can edit teams you don't like.
Potentials are not random. I built a table off the PCM DB looking at average and age and then used that to assign potentials. Highest potentials will go to riders in the 20 to 24 age group who already have good stats for their age range.
LLDS wrote:
It seems that the Beta 8 is more balanced.
Haven't really compared them, some will stronger than others just as you may have periods in history with 3 great grand tour contenders and others with only 1. Kind of the nice thing about doing multiples.
Jesleyh wrote:
Though I must say there are a bit few BeNeLux WT teams as well
# of teams will be proportional to the sponsors in the PCM DB. Need to get folks to make more jerseys for potential Benelux sponsors. I already created a few more by turning some american companies into Belgian and limiting the number of US and UK sponsors. This is something I could customize for in specific DBs (see next answer). Also, this is why I want to do the expansion with more jerseys referenced in my first post.
Jesleyh wrote:
Could you tell us precisely what you mean with 'an unique .cdb' then?
What I meant by unique DB means one made just for the requester and not posted so you have your own unique set up for a story or whatever. It would just be the luck of the draw what it looked like in terms of teams and riders.
Within reason I could also do some customization. There are things that are easy to customize, like the mix of sponsors (for example if you had certain sponsors you wanted in), and other that are not easy to customize. I could also give you 3500 riders instead of 2100 in the DB. The 2100 is something I did because I don't like too many free riders but I actually create 3500 for each DB and just don't load 1400 of the free riders.
So if you have something in mind let me know. |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 24-11-2013 20:45
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Hmm,
Correct me if I'm going over the limit, but:
I'd like a. (Newly generated) .cdb containing these points:
- Philips is in WT
- There's a Belgian WT team(including Belgian sponsor) as well
- There's a good Dutch stage-racer(Could Top 5 TdF)riding at Philips
- Around 3000 riders,'so more than 2100 at least.
- Bancolombia is WT, and has some solid Colombian climbers
Is that possible? Hope its within the limits...
I'd appreciate it at least, this idea is great!
Edited by Jesleyh on 24-11-2013 20:47
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 24-11-2013 21:29
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I really like the created ones already, lots to explore and look through. It's new and fresh, if not as fun as Comics DB...
Gonna stick in a request for a customized DB please:
- 1 Asian WT Team
- 1 Bulgarian WT Team
- No UK PCT Team
- No WT UK Team
- 4-5 UK CT Teams
- Full 3500 Riders
- (not sure if this one is possible, but i can edit in this part myself) Enough UK talents to make a decent WT team in a few seasons
[basically a DB where i can take a UK team up through the ranks over a few seasons]
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| Dippofix |
Posted on 24-11-2013 21:49
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You said that you started this with PCM 12? Would it be possible to make one for PCM 12? Because it seems a great idea, and it could be a lot of fun.
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| Ulrich Ulriksen |
Posted on 24-11-2013 22:05
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Not on my PC right now but. . . .
@jesleyh - that is doable. The Dutch stage racer at Phillips could be tricky suggest you just edit to that. Will be quicker and more likely to look like you want him to.
@MM - are there Bulgarian sponsors in the daily Db? If yes then this is good. Not sure about the uk youth riders will see what I can do.
@dippofix - never quite finished twelve. Think I have some will check when I am back on my own PC. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 24-11-2013 22:16
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Well you made one before... Vivelo or something like that... UK youth riders i can always make myself. As long as the CT teams are mostly GBR with some good young guys
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| welker3257 |
Posted on 25-11-2013 02:03
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Could you make one with: a NZL WT team, a team with some Icelandic riders, and an Israeli team.
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| Ulrich Ulriksen |
Posted on 25-11-2013 04:19
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Sent PMs to Jesleyh and Dippofix. MM should be tomorrow or Tuesday.
Welker - can do that. Only one NZL sponsor in the PCM DB, All Blacks so that will be the team. Also, unless I am missing it Iceland isn't in the DB which means no Icelandic riders. Out of town for Thanksgiving later this week so will be next week most likely. |
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| Dippofix |
Posted on 25-11-2013 06:11
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Didn't get the PM. Maybe you could send it again?
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| LLDS |
Posted on 25-11-2013 07:19
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I have the feeling this thred will become very popular .
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| The Hobbit |
Posted on 25-11-2013 16:53
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Yes, it's a very good idea. I'd just like a unique random one, ideally mostly pretty old people with a few upcoming talents, but not that important, just love the idea. I love this idea, you are very smart!! |
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