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| Stylus |
Posted on 06-09-2013 19:08
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Hello everybody!
I'm Stylus, a stagemaker from the italian community  , although I'm quite new for the Cym world, I'm not so young really becouse I keen on historical events, in this case of cycling!
Since some weeks I'm Working on a Db based on 1961 Season.
The 1961 was a really rich year of great cyclist!
In Italy there was a really strong fight between Anquetil, Bahamontes and Charlie Gaul, three of the best grimpeur ever, for the maglia rosa, but surprisingly won an italian overrated cyclist: Pampianco! In the TDF Anquetil won the second Tour (the first of a sequence of 4) while a younger Poulidor was growing, winning Milano-Sanremo and reaching 2° in the Berna's WC.
But, instead of all, there was one of the best rider of the history: Rik Van Looy.
For these and other reason I decide to make a database based of 1961.
The work is not easy, whether for PCM limits whether for the lack of information, but we can do it.
One difficult choose is the lack of the career mode, for two reason:
- PCM don't recognise the birthday of the riders, and I can't make national teams for the Tour de France (but also for the Vuelta)
- A career as we know a season today it is absolutely unreal. In 1961 there wasn't so many and so invasive sponsors, there wasn't a so huge calendar and no division neither classifications between teams. In my opinion a good historical database of 40'50'60'70' don't need a career mode.
I want to do all my best, adding all the teams of that year,with all the cyclists and all the photos. Original routes for the main classics and the GT's , adding disappeared races (Deutschland tour, Trofeo Baracchi, Firenze - Pistoia) but I need a lot of help.
I need help for stages, becouse I'm only one and I need help to make shirts, becouse I'm not a shirt maker, but above all I need help in reaserching information, and I know that anyone could do it becouse do not need any particulary ability, especially for stage's graphic: they are very difficult to find.
I HAVE TWO PROBLEMS
- I find a way to remove the helmet from the cyclists, but not from the team that i'm controlling when I play;
- I need someone good in 3D model (an angel!  ) who makes a new type of frame, more historical (Something like this https://img3.annun...ba_big.jpg )
This Is all, I hope to find some who want to give me an hand
After this post you will find a post when I collect all the information found and another one with some images (working in progress!)
Features
Teams: 52
Spoiler Alcyon - Leroux
Atala
Baratti - Milano
Bertin - L'Avenir - Milremo - Dura
Bianchi
Carpano
Catigene
Cynar - Mittelholzer
Dr. Mann
Emi
Faema
Ferrys
Fides
Gazzola
Ghigi
Groene Leeuw - SAS - Sinalco
Hellyet - Fynsec - Hutchinson
Ignis
KAS - Royal - Asport
Legnano
Liberia - Grammont - Wolber
Licor 43
Locomotief - Vredestein
Margnat - Rochet - Dunlop
Mercier - BP - Hutchinson
Molteni
Peugeot - BP - Dunlop
Philco
Radium
Rapha - Gitane - Dunlop
Ruberg - Liga (?)
Saint Raphael - Geminiani - Dunlop
San Pellegrino
Solo - Van Steenbergen
Torpado
Torpedo
Vov
Wiel's - Flandria
TOUR DE FRANCE
Equipe Allemagne
Equipe Belgique
Equipe Centre-Midi
Equipe France
Equipe Ouest/Sud Ouest
Equipe Paris/Nord Est
Equipe Espagne
Equipe Grande-Bretagne
Equipe Italie
Equipe Pays Bas
Equipe Suisse/Luxembourg
VUELTA DE ESPANA
Portugal
A.I.F.C.A.S.
+ 16 National Teams
Work In Progress
Edited by Stylus on 18-12-2013 15:08
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| Stylus |
Posted on 06-09-2013 19:09
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TEAMS
ClipArt of ALL TEAMS
https://memoire-du-cyclisme.eu/pelotons/annee.php?a=1961
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Alcyon - Leroux
https://www.dewielersite.net/db2/wielersite/beeldbank1/alcyon61.jpg
https://histoire.maillots.free.fr/cyclisme/jforestier.jpg
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Atala
https://www.ciclomuseo-bartali.it/museociclismo/speciali/maglieGI/1961_file/image005.jpg
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2477/3676937680_956a9b4697_o.jpg
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Baratti - Milano
https://www.ciclomuseo-bartali.it/museociclismo/speciali/maglieGI/1961_file/image007.jpg
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Bertin - L'Avenir - Milremo - Dura
https://www.dewielersite.net/db2/wielersite/beeldbank1/thumbs/bertin61.jpg
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Bianchi
https://www.ciclomuseo-bartali.it/museociclismo/speciali/maglieGI/1961_file/image009.jpg
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Carpano
https://www.ciclomuseo-bartali.it/museociclismo/speciali/maglieGI/1961_file/image011.jpg
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Catigene
https://www.dewielersite.net/db2/wielersite/beeldbank1/catige61.jpg
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Cynar - Mittelholzer
https://www.dewielersite.net/db2/wielersite/beeldbank1/thumbs/cynmit61.jpg
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/s320x320/30090_119048444781830_7887307_n.jpg
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Dr. Mann
https://histoire.maillots.free.fr/cyclisme/verachtertjos.jpg
https://memoire-du-cyclisme.eu/pelotons/image.php?adr=1961/mann61
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Emi
https://www.ciclomuseo-bartali.it/museociclismo/speciali/maglieGI/1961_file/image013.jpg
https://img15.imageshack.us/img15/1549/50emimaillot.png
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Faema
https://www.ciclomuseo-bartali.it/museociclismo/speciali/maglieGI/1961_file/image015.jpg
https://i.ebayimg.com/t/Carte-Miroir-Sprint-drapeau-Rik-van-Looy-/16/!B-MC3nQ!Wk~$(KGrHqJ,!joEzK6eDzqBBM7+50ol2g~~_35.JPG
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTmWhEzBrOVakwdOD14cmV3a-DSK_osLJf-lQCIbIpmI_uIW6HGlw
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Ferrys
https://memoire-du-cyclisme.eu/pelotons/image.php?adr=1961/ferry612
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Fides
https://www.ciclomuseo-bartali.it/museociclismo/speciali/maglieGI/1961_file/image017.jpg
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Gazzola
https://www.ciclomuseo-bartali.it/museociclismo/speciali/maglieGI/1961_file/image019.jpg
https://www.prendas.co.uk/images/news/2013-05-22-santini-gazzola-.jpg
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Ghigi
https://images-00.delcampe-static.net/img_large/auction/000/091/599/317_001.jpg
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQzIufVf0Wt_CbmveiwSUW4AdnLN9CZjVvcqrgk8gd3aIEaY70GcQ
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Groene Leeuw - SAS - Sinalco
https://memoire-du-cyclisme.eu/pelotons/image.php?adr=1961/groen61a
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Hellyet - Fynsec - Hutchinson
https://histoire.maillots.free.fr/cyclisme/FYNSEC.jpg
https://www.ciclomuseo-bartali.it/museociclismo/speciali/maglieGI/1961_file/image003.jpg
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Ignis
https://www.ciclomuseo-bartali.it/museociclismo/speciali/maglieGI/1961_file/image023.jpg
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KAS - Royal - Asport
https://memoire-du-cyclisme.eu/pelotons/image.php?adr=1961/kas612
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Legnano
https://www.ciclomuseo-bartali.it/museociclismo/speciali/maglieGI/1961_file/image025.jpg
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Liberia - Grammont - Wolber
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Licor 43
https://memoire-du-cyclisme.eu/pelotons/image.php?adr=1961/licor612
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Locomotief - Vredestein
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Margnat - Rochet - Dunlop
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Mercier - BP - Hutchinson
https://img.over-blog.com/500x375/3/81/57/38/Velo-MERCIER-BP-HUTCHINSON-1959/R-maillot-MERCIER-BP.jpg
https://www.dewielersite.net/db2/wielersite/beeldbank/1266752132MercierTour65.jpg
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Molteni
https://www.ciclomuseo-bartali.it/museociclismo/speciali/maglieGI/1961_file/image027.jpg
https://www.prendas.co.uk/images/news/2012-05-22-santini-molteni-arcore-retro-summer-cycling-jersey.jpg
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Peugeot - BP - Dunlop
https://memoire-du-cyclisme.eu/pelotons/image.php?adr=1961/peuge612
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Philco
https://www.ciclomuseo-bartali.it/museociclismo/speciali/maglieGI/1961_file/image029.jpg
https://memoire-du-cyclisme.eu/pelotons/image.php?adr=1961/philc612
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Radium
https://www.dewielersite.net/db2/wielersite/beeldbank1/debakker.jpg
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Rapha - Gitane - Dunlop
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Ruberg - Liga
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Saint Raphael - Geminiani - Dunlop
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTW5w4jgbQ8twum6qPT1INFVLqBEw7qZsEVhQY-rj_t70uV8Soh
https://www.dewielersite.net/db2/wielersite/beeldbank2/1225667317pierre%20everaert.jpg
https://www.dewielersite.net/db2/wielersite/beeldbank1/thumbs/srapha_56.jpg
https://farm5.static.flickr.com/4009/4288485912_dc353d99ed.jpg
https://memoire-du-cyclisme.eu/pelotons/image.php?adr=1961/rapha612a
https://memoire-du-cyclisme.eu/pelotons/image.php?adr=1961/rapha612ad
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San Pellegrino
https://www.ciclomuseo-bartali.it/museociclismo/speciali/maglieGI/1961_file/image031.jpg
https://www.prendas.co.uk/images/news/2013-05-22-santini-san-pell.jpg
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Solo - Van Steenbergen
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2J8uCR3HboE/TRaigTXqX_I/AAAAAAAADFs/eBni0Hzon0k/s400/RIK+VAN+STEENBERGEN+01.jpg
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Torpado
https://www.ciclomuseo-bartali.it/museociclismo/speciali/maglieGI/1961_file/image033.jpg
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQUUiFij6CdYXfCJDnKqHX54fE7MdunnWmBAoVY75kYluybVj_VxA
https://www.montorioveronese.it/g2data_3f29e4875a/albums//navigatori_001/ciclismo_montoriese//07%20Figurina%20Torpado.jpg
https://memoire-du-cyclisme.eu/pelotons/image.php?adr=1961/1961torpadoITA
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Vov
https://www.ciclomuseo-bartali.it/museociclismo/speciali/maglieGI/1961_file/image035.jpg
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Wiel's - Flandria
https://img15.imageshack.us/img15/5053/50wiemaillot.png
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TOUR DE FRANCE
ClipArt of all teams
https://ledicodutour.perso.sfr.fr/equipes/equipes_par_annees/1957_1966/1961.htm
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Equipe Allemagne
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Equipe Belgique
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Equipe Centre-Midi
https://histoire.maillots.free.fr/cyclisme/centre-midi_1958.jpg
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Equipe France
https://ledicodutour.perso.sfr.fr/images/photos_archives/58_equipe_france.jpg
https://ledicodutour.perso.sfr.fr/images/coureurs/anquetil_11.jpg
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Equipe Ouest/Sud Ouest
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Equipe Paris/Nord Est
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Equipe Espagne
https://ledicodutour.perso.sfr.fr/images/photos_archives/59_cycling_2.gif
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Equipe Grande-Bretagne
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Equipe Italie
https://ledicodutour.perso.sfr.fr/images/photos_archives/Coppi.jpg
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Equipe Pays Bas
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Equipe Suisse/Luxembourg
WEBSITES
www.museodelcicli...
https://www.cyclin...hives.com/
https://belgiumkne...ships.html
https://www.memoir...clisme.eu/
Edited by Stylus on 06-09-2013 19:13
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| Stylus |
Posted on 06-09-2013 19:09
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IMAGES
Work In Progress
Shirt Templates
For National Teams
Edited by Stylus on 06-09-2013 19:16
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| Stylus |
Posted on 08-09-2013 21:53
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No one interested on helping me for this project?  |
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| ilmealessio |
Posted on 08-09-2013 22:56
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Hello Stylus,i've never made a DB and i don't know how to made a DB,i hope to you to find someone to help you and i hope your DB1961 will come out soon because it's a fantastic project  |
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| Stylus |
Posted on 11-09-2013 14:59
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I drew the frame from the "[HCD] - Historical Cycling Database - 1968 Project" . I wanna ask to the creator if I can use that, obviously with credits reported! |
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| jseadog1 |
Posted on 11-09-2013 15:35
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Looks like you put a ton of work into this!! Nice job!
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| perot |
Posted on 13-09-2013 11:27
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You can use the frame og HCD 68, no problem for me ;-) |
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| GMiranda |
Posted on 17-09-2013 23:35
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The projects seems truly interesting, I wish you success |
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| hygge0302 |
Posted on 22-09-2013 07:36
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Good Luck :-) |
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| Stylus |
Posted on 23-09-2013 12:09
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The Database is complete..now I'm working on Giro d'Italia. I need someone who helps me with TDF becouse I don't know the routes..! |
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| ContadorFreak |
Posted on 23-09-2013 13:21
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Have you all the jerseys? |
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| Stylus |
Posted on 25-09-2013 00:00
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ContadorFreak wrote:
Have you all the jerseys?
Nope..I made all the national team and I am making italian teams but there all to the DF jerseys and foreign team (Like Anquetil one) to do... |
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| GMiranda |
Posted on 25-09-2013 22:34
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Cna I see the DB? |
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| Stylus |
Posted on 27-09-2013 11:36
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GMiranda wrote:
Cna I see the DB?
Sure! Firstly I have to explain the way I used to assign the values: In fact, I evaluated that era: the best cyclist made a big difference during stages, and it was possible win Milano - Sanremo attacking from Passo del Turchino or regain twenty minutes during a mountain stage. Winning long stage, in spit of being flat, was an hard challenge.
So these are the best values!
Mountain
Hill
Cobble
Sprint
Maybe when I'll done all the shirts I'll release a demo!
Edited by Stylus on 27-09-2013 11:36
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| servus |
Posted on 27-09-2013 13:55
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when is it
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| GMiranda |
Posted on 27-09-2013 14:03
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The DB can't never reproduce the way they rode those times, it's far beyond the AI; but to help it, you have to put a strong focus on combativiry and flat issues as, as you said, races could be won on long flat stages or on attacks with more than 200Km to go. |
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| Stylus |
Posted on 27-09-2013 14:46
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GMiranda wrote:
The DB can't never reproduce the way they rode those times, it's far beyond the AI; but to help it, you have to put a strong focus on combativiry and flat issues as, as you said, races could be won on long flat stages or on attacks with more than 200Km to go.
The major part of cyclists has got poor value of flat and resistance, and everybody has got < 70 combat |
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| GMiranda |
Posted on 27-09-2013 14:50
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ahh it should be changed |
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| Stylus |
Posted on 27-09-2013 14:55
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Oh sorry, I mean >70  |
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