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New "Combination" Game
TheManxMissile
Currently the front page here is 11/12 fantasy game related threads. Wow.
When they started up there was discussion that perhaps the owners should communicate and make just one bigger and better game. Well now that is in the process of happening.

I have contacted Francopell, SSJluigi, Jakstar, Welwyn and Ollfardh. Everyone of them is ok with working together to help run a new, single, larger fantasy game. I also know that other people, like Ste, would probably also be interested in helping if they are needed.

Firstly, this is not a copy of the Man-Game, and it is not intended to be. Its a combination of the Fantasy/Custom seasons, the PCMCL and the old Psuedo Man-Game. As such it is simpler than the Man-Game, but more complex than any other fantasy game. If it is too similar to the Man-Game for the admins, then it can be adjusted or shelved.

This thread is designed to gauge community interest, keep the admins in the loop and discuss the ideas and features before anything begins.
I didnt particularly want to put this in the Story section, as i hate clogging it/seeing it clogged. But i didnt know where else to put it, so sorry.

In the following few posts i will put up the details that have been discussed/decided so far. Please comment on the general idea, and discuss any specifics. I am open to answering all comments and questions, negative and positive. If you think this is a stupid idea say that.
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Jesleyh
I'm really positive about this... I think custom seasons are really fun, and this looks like the 'ultimate' custom season...
And since there are many people who have a custom season already in this project, the best of all the games will result in 1 amazing game. + there will be many people joining, since there is just 1 custom season active... And I'm sure this project will last longer than 3 races Smile
Of course I'm really interested in this... And I might be able to do some small things for this project, although my time is limited most of the time...
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Ollfardh
Well, putting this in the story section might further annoy the people who wanted games out of the story section in the first place. Pfft

Personaly I'd like to see several things united, not a single person can manage a game on his own. Glad to be a part of this!
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
 
Avin Wargunnson
Ollfardh wrote:
Well, putting this in the story section might further annoy the people who wanted games out of the story section in the first place. Pfft

Personaly I'd like to see several things united, not a single person can manage a game on his own. Glad to be a part of this!


No one was annoyed with games being in story section i asume, just with tons of HQ threads coming along them...
I'll be back
 
TheManxMissile
This is a lot to read, but there will be a lot to it. But it is simpler than the Man-Game (i think)
Also please not this is not the start of anything
this is just a discussion to see if it is a good idea, that could happen

Application
Spoiler
To join, you will need to post the following,
Team Name:
Title Sponsors:
Nationality:
The theory at the moment is that the first 18 will get WT status, and the rest CT status. You could specifically ask for CT status if you so chose


Nationalization
Spoiler
Taken as a way to include Welwyns National World Tour, which i think is a great idea. Its also like the Man-Game Div2. When posting you sponsors, their nationality, and the general Nationality of the team will dictate who many riders in your team must be from those areas. This will work in a percentage.
The Main Sponsor will mean x% of the team must be from that Nation/Region.
Second Sponsor y% of team, and Nationality z% of team. x>y>z. The numbers at the moment are x=25%, y=15%, z=10%. So x+y+z=50% of the team (12-15riders ish). This will be a minimum value that must be met. Every 5or10% over this earns bonuses. These bonuses are not decided yet, but could be more money, more chance of a successful wildcard, easier renewals etc.
There will be bigger bonuses for selecting regions over nations. So instead of Spain, you could choose Basque. The bonuses would be larger, but it would be harder. For nations without in-game regions, the bonuses will be midway between.


2 Divisions
There will be 2 Divisions, World Tour and Continental Tour (WT and CT).
The WT will consist of 18 teams. The CT is unlimited.

Draft
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To get riders into teams there will be a Draft.
Each round managers send in a list of riders they would like.
The WT will get a 3-4 round head start, after which the CT teams join in. This is to make some separation in team quality between WT and CT, but not a vast gap.
The First Round order will be selected using a random number generator. After that it will follow a serpentine system, to keep things fair. When the CT teams join in, they will choose first in that round (in a randomly generated order), then the serpentine will resume from there.
In the Offseason, instead of transfers there will be another Draft. This will be like a draft in the NFL. All the out of contract riders will be available to draft. The lowest ranked team of the season will get first pick, and the highest ranked team last pick.


Wildcards
Spoiler
Of course all WT teams will do all WT races. This means there will be 4 spaces for wildcards at each WT race. CT teams will apply for WT wildcards. This will cost some money. The best 4 applicants will be selected by me, and allowed to race that event.
The determining factors will be Nationality, Rider Quality and previous results amongst a few others.


Role Playing Aspect
Spoiler
This is the PCMCL incorporation.
Anyone can create a Custom Rider, to add to the DB. Their age will dictate what stats they can have. The stat rules are as yet undecided.
Like the PCMCL, these riders will comment and short report in (hopefully) team HQ's. The better the quality of these the more "points" the rider will earn. These "points" will then be spent on stat increases.
A similar system will work for Managers. Their comments etc will also earn them "team points". These "team points" will be spent on non-custom riders.
As such, custom riders will earn more points-per-rider, and in theory will develop faster than real riders.
There will be a limit on growth, but that is as yet undecided


Calendar
Spoiler
All WT teams must race all WT events.
As stated above there will be4 wildcards available for all WT events. CT teams apply for these. I select the 4 best candidates.
There will be a large selection of CT races. Each team gets sent a selection of races. They can then swap these races for any other races, as long as the total Race Day Value remains the same.
The WT teams will get a small selection of CT races. Again they can swap these to the same rules.
These calendars will be related to Sponsor and team nationalities, and team orientations.


Race Day Limit
Each rider will have a 60-70 day limit

Rankings
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Each race and stage earns points.
WT and CT have separate rankings. There maybe an Individuals rankings as well.
These rankings will have impacts on contract renewals, draft picks, money, division etc.


Relegation/Promotion
Spoiler
The Top15 ranked WT teams will automatically have a WT spot for next season.
Then theTop5 CT teams will be weighed against the Botom5 WT teams. This will include results, riders, quality of HQ's and other things.
So we could have 5 teams going up and down! There will be a minimum of 2 teams moving up and down each season.


Money
Spoiler
Every team will start with a value, this will be greater for WT teams. Teams will earn more with results, rankings and nationalism.
Money will be used as part of renewals system. Wildcards also costs money.
In the Offesason money can be used to buy other teams draft picks (ie. you could pay to pick first). There maybe other uses, but not thought of as yet.


Scouting
There maybe have a scouting aspect, so we dont always have the same riders. Money would be involved here as well.
No details have been thought out yet though, just an idea now.

Jerseys
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You can use custom jerseys, BUT dont spam the established makers.
Hopefully a couple of players will be willing to make the jerseys needed for the game. They will only have to be basic designs with very few sponsors.
If sponsor already has a jersey in the game, that will be used until all non-game sponsors have a jersey made.


Contract Renewals
Spoiler
Has been mentioned a lot and not explained.
During the first draft the order in which riders are drafted will decide their contract length.
Rounds 1,4,7,10,13 etc will have 1 year Contracts
Rounds 2,5,8,11,14 etc will have 2 year Contracts
Rounds 3,6,9,12,15 etc will have 3 year Contracts.
At the end of the season there will be the opportunity to renew some of the contracts. A new contract will depend on team and rider nationality, results, rankings, money. New Contracts will always be 3 years. You can opt out of renewing certain contracts, this will mean other contracts become easier to achieve.


Ok, i think that is everything, but it probably isn't. Please ask and comment. As you can see there are a lot of features and bits, but none of them are particularly complicated. None of them are direct copies of the Man-Game (slight copies, not full) as far as i can tell. These have been discussed between myself, Francopell, Welwyn, Ollfardh, Jakstar and SSJluigi, and they all seem to like them and agree.
Edited by TheManxMissile on 22-11-2012 14:19
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sutty68
This is definitely a Good idea Wink

Its what we all want to be honest and at the same time i am sure it will please the admins to know that we intend to be co-operative with everything Wink
 
TheManxMissile
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
No one was annoyed with games being in story section i asume, just with tons of HQ threads coming along them...


Spot on. But where a few of us asked for a sub-section, this might help merit one.
I hate load of team HQ's as well, in the Story section.

All the basic ideas and rules (the ones i can think of/find) are now up.
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Jesleyh
I like it...
I guess we need to make our own jerseys(or let them made by jersey makers ofc.) because we just create teams?
Edited by Jesleyh on 22-11-2012 14:19
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TheManxMissile
Also please not this is not the start of anything
this is just a discussion to see if it is a good idea, that could happen
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sutty68
TheManxMissile - Just read your latest post regarding the new version of all the management games becoming one and i would like to know is this all ready for the off or is it just to show what it would involve Frown

You answered it before i asked it, damn Angry
Edited by sutty68 on 22-11-2012 14:20
 
sutty68
I take it that this will be using Fantasy Teams and not the real ones Wink
 
TheManxMissile
@Jesl - Custom jerseys may be needed. If the sponsors have a jersey in game that will be used. If not, then people could get their own jersey made, or from the shirt DB. They are custom teams, but you can use real team sponsors if you wanted

@Sutty - Not quite ready to go. Some details still need to be worked out and checked. A DB will also need to be prepped ready to move alot of riders around and take new teams. But it could be going in 2weeks i think.
This thread is just to show what would be involved and to discuss it as a general possibility.
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Jesleyh
The region bonus is pretty bad for me, because I want to make a dutch team, and it's a small country, but divided in 12 parts -_-
Oh, and btw, Is it possible to have a first+secondary sponsor in the same country? Do these numbers count up then? so X+Y= 25+15= 40 % has to be from that country?

And forget my last post, didn't notice the jersey spoiler at your post...
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fcancellara
This is a great idea, and just for the record:

My jerseys are free to use for anyone, just make sure I know you use it Wink


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TheManxMissile
@Jesl
Yes it does disadvantage the Netherlands and Belgium. But it also disadvantages the USA, which i a big country with regions that are not in the game.
If both sponsors are the same nation then you will need more riders from that nation yes. You dont need a secondary sponsor either.
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Jesleyh
TheManxMissile wrote:
@Jesl
Yes it does disadvantage the Netherlands and Belgium. But it also disadvantages the USA, which i a big country with regions that are not in the game.
If both sponsors are the same nation then you will need more riders from that nation yes. You dont need a secondary sponsor either.


Ok, fine, so it's no option to merge the Netherlands in North-NL, West-NL, East-NL and South-NL? Well, didn't count on it Wink
Oh and btw, Belgium isn't disadvantaged, since I think (at least in my game) they only got 2 regions...

Edit: And will there be a 'goal' system in this game? Doesn't have to be similair as the man-game, but that you can set your goals and get rewarded if you succeed in that goal...
Edited by Jesleyh on 22-11-2012 14:37
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SSJ2Luigi
TheManxMissile wrote:
But i didnt know where else to put it, so sorry.

that what the everthing else forum is for Wink

Jerseys
Spoiler
You can use custom jerseys, BUT dont spam the established makers.
Hopefully a couple of players will be willing to make the jerseys needed for the game. They will only have to be basic designs with very few sponsors.
If sponsor already has a jersey in the game, that will be used until all non-game sponsors have a jersey made.

In my opionon Custom Jersey (and custom teams for that matter) should only be in the Man-Game

and do you have something againt numbers?
 
TheManxMissile
SSJ2Luigi wrote:
In my opionon Custom Jersey (and custom teams for that matter) should only be in the Man-Game

and do you have something againt numbers?


Fair enough on the teams and jerseys.

I havnt put much thought to numbers yet, as this isnt even certain to run. It is seems like it will run i can do the numbers. But i dont want to waste too much time on what is, at the moment, merely an idea.
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SSJ2Luigi
TheManxMissile wrote:
SSJ2Luigi wrote:
and do you have something againt numbers?

I havnt put much thought to numbers yet, as this isnt even certain to run. It is seems like it will run i can do the numbers. But i dont want to waste too much time on what is, at the moment, merely an idea.

it was more about the numbers in people's names (Jakstar(22), SSJ(2)Luigi))
 
dev4ever
I like the idea, but if it's pulls off, would it mean the dead (end) to all the other fantasy games (except MG, ofcourse) and start this new one from scratch? Smile
 
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