|
Has there ever been a cyclist bust?
|
| TomWest |
Posted on 25-09-2012 17:44
|
Amateur
Posts: 11
Joined: 22-07-2012
PCM$: 200.00
|
In other words, what are examples of cyclists signing large contracts and not living up to them, or of young, heralded riders who were actually quite lackluster?
Or is cycling structured in a way that creates a near-perfect market--where it is quite easy to determine the skill of a rider relative to all the others?
P.S. I ask this because I bought PCM solely because of the Steam sale, and I liked it enough that I want to learn more about it. |
| |
|
|
| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 25-09-2012 17:49
|
World Champion
Posts: 10121
Joined: 01-05-2010
PCM$: 200.00
|
Rasmus Guldhammer is the first name that springs to my mind. One of the best in the U23 races, but never managed to develop into a top pro rider.
There are plenty of others as well. Just take a look at all the promising youngsters Rabobank produce that never reach top level. Vermeltfoort is probably the latest example.
Edited by Pellizotti2 on 25-09-2012 17:52
|
| |
|
|
| Miguel98 |
Posted on 25-09-2012 17:57
|
World Champion
Posts: 10497
Joined: 23-06-2011
PCM$: 200.00
|
There are alot of riders and I remember Sicard. He was a very talented french GT rider that didn't come to what we expected from him. He got a lot of injuries and literally didn't get any good result in this season and the last.
Pliuschin is another example. He was considered to become a very good cobble-especialist and he didn't got even close of a good result their. Currently he is more of a GC racer but without any good particular results.
And there are a lot more. |
| |
|
|
| Aquarius |
Posted on 25-09-2012 18:13
|
Grand Tour Specialist
Posts: 5220
Joined: 29-11-2006
PCM$: 200.00
|
TomWest wrote:
In other words, what are examples of cyclists signing large contracts and not living up to them, or of young, heralded riders who were actually quite lackluster?
Or is cycling structured in a way that creates a near-perfect market--where it is quite easy to determine the skill of a rider relative to all the others?
P.S. I ask this because I bought PCM solely because of the Steam sale, and I liked it enough that I want to learn more about it.
Cycling, and athletics sports in general, are hard to predict.
Some people reach their peak at 22, others at 33, and of course some reach their best at any age between those.
Of course most reach their full potential at around 30 or 32 years old, which is why some promising young riders are sometimes offered huge contracts and never live up to expectations. In fact they have just had their absolute peak at a young age.
It's impossible to tell, all managers or fans or journalists can do is guessing. |
| |
|
|
| lukaas |
Posted on 25-09-2012 18:14
|
Domestique
Posts: 463
Joined: 24-07-2010
PCM$: 300.00
|
Gerald Ciolek. He's a good cyclist right now but he was one of the biggest talent I've ever seen.
Edited by lukaas on 25-09-2012 18:23
|
| |
|
|
| cio93 |
Posted on 25-09-2012 18:18
|
World Champion
Posts: 10845
Joined: 29-10-2007
PCM$: 500.00
|
lukaas wrote:
Gerald Ciolek. He's a good cyclist right now but he was one of the biggest talent I've ever seen.
He was probably considered better/more talented than Cav back in 07.
Man, how I wish that would have turned out the other way round.
He's not that bad though, he would have won more races recently if he switched his head on when it comes to sprint timing.
Edited by cio93 on 25-09-2012 18:18
|
| |
|
|
| kumazan |
Posted on 25-09-2012 18:24
|
Team Leader
Posts: 6662
Joined: 02-07-2009
PCM$: 200.00
|
José Antonio Pecharromán
|
| |
|
|
| Miguel98 |
Posted on 25-09-2012 18:25
|
World Champion
Posts: 10497
Joined: 23-06-2011
PCM$: 200.00
|
Who?
EDIT: I now remember who he is.
Edited by Miguel98 on 25-09-2012 18:25
|
| |
|
|
| Aquarius |
Posted on 25-09-2012 18:26
|
Grand Tour Specialist
Posts: 5220
Joined: 29-11-2006
PCM$: 200.00
|
Damiano Cunego, Jan Ullrich. Huge results until they were 23 or something, never achieved much more past that age (but still performed very decently). |
| |
|
|
| Miguel98 |
Posted on 25-09-2012 18:28
|
World Champion
Posts: 10497
Joined: 23-06-2011
PCM$: 200.00
|
Was Ullrich a bust? Cunego wasn't a bust till last year, this year HE became a bust. |
| |
|
|
| Lorenzo35 |
Posted on 25-09-2012 18:30
|
Junior Rider
Posts: 27
Joined: 02-01-2012
PCM$: 200.00
|
Ullrich what?????????????
Alberto Contador Tour 07//09//10 Vuelta 08//12 Giro 08//11
|
| |
|
|
| Ad Bot |
Posted on 25-11-2024 08:03
|
Bot Agent
Posts: Countless
Joined: 23.11.09
|
|
| IP: None |
|
|
| fjhoekie |
Posted on 25-09-2012 18:31
|
Grand Tour Specialist
Posts: 4476
Joined: 25-07-2010
PCM$: 200.00
|
I'd say Phinney, considering the amount of money the team pays him...
Manager of Team Popo4Ever p/b Morshynska in the PCM.Daily Man-Game |
| |
|
|
| kumazan |
Posted on 25-09-2012 18:35
|
Team Leader
Posts: 6662
Joined: 02-07-2009
PCM$: 200.00
|
fjhoekie wrote:
I'd say Phinney, considering the amount of money the team pays him...
You mean the Phinney who top 15ed Paris Roubaix in his first race there and who just was 5 seconds short to be World ITT Champion? At age 22? o_O
Edited by kumazan on 25-09-2012 18:36
|
| |
|
|
| MrUfo87 |
Posted on 25-09-2012 18:40
|
Classics Specialist
Posts: 2803
Joined: 06-01-2012
PCM$: 700.00
|
kumazan wrote:
fjhoekie wrote:
I'd say Phinney, considering the amount of money the team pays him...
You mean the Phinney who top 15ed Paris Roubaix in his first race there and who just was 5 seconds short to be World ITT Champion? At age 22? o_O
And who was twice fourth at the Olympic Games? Absolutely not! |
| |
|
|
| carmelobymelo |
Posted on 25-09-2012 18:42
|
Domestique
Posts: 551
Joined: 08-07-2010
PCM$: 200.00
|
kumazan wrote:
fjhoekie wrote:
I'd say Phinney, considering the amount of money the team pays him...
You mean the Phinney who top 15ed Paris Roubaix in his first race there and who just was 5 seconds short to be World ITT Champion? At age 22? o_O
He also missed olympic medal two times(4th), definitely wouldn't call him a bust
|
| |
|
|
| roturn |
Posted on 25-09-2012 18:54
|
Team Manager
Posts: 22246
Joined: 24-11-2007
PCM$: 3900.00
|
Coming to busts I just read an article about Mathias Belka. He was the only German next to Ullrich to get a top10 in the Baby Giro with his 6th in 2006 and also had quite a few other good results.
But he never made the jump from U23 to elite and now he retired this month as it will become even harder now with 26 years. |
| |
|
|
| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 25-09-2012 18:54
|
World Champion
Posts: 10121
Joined: 01-05-2010
PCM$: 200.00
|
Miguel98 wrote:
Cunego wasn't a bust till last year, this year HE became a bust.
Cunego's last top class season was four years ago. He was crap in 2010, and no more than decent in 2009, 2011 and this year.
And compared to 2004, every season since has been disappointing. I know that he was overperforming a lot back then, but just to compare.
|
| |
|
|
| fjhoekie |
Posted on 25-09-2012 18:55
|
Grand Tour Specialist
Posts: 4476
Joined: 25-07-2010
PCM$: 200.00
|
carmelobymelo wrote:
kumazan wrote:
fjhoekie wrote:
I'd say Phinney, considering the amount of money the team pays him...
You mean the Phinney who top 15ed Paris Roubaix in his first race there and who just was 5 seconds short to be World ITT Champion? At age 22? o_O
He also missed olympic medal two times(4th), definitely wouldn't call him a bust
Well, I mean really a young rider earning over a million a year, you must be kidding... There are better riders earning not even half that money. Sure he's done great things but even before that he had that massive contract.
Manager of Team Popo4Ever p/b Morshynska in the PCM.Daily Man-Game |
| |
|
|
| kumazan |
Posted on 25-09-2012 19:01
|
Team Leader
Posts: 6662
Joined: 02-07-2009
PCM$: 200.00
|
fjhoekie wrote:
Well, I mean really a young rider earning over a million a year, you must be kidding... There are better riders earning not even half that money. Sure he's done great things but even before that he had that massive contract.
Paying someone for his potential rather than his current hability is common in pretty much every sport.
|
| |
|
|
| fjhoekie |
Posted on 25-09-2012 19:03
|
Grand Tour Specialist
Posts: 4476
Joined: 25-07-2010
PCM$: 200.00
|
kumazan wrote:
fjhoekie wrote:
Well, I mean really a young rider earning over a million a year, you must be kidding... There are better riders earning not even half that money. Sure he's done great things but even before that he had that massive contract.
Paying someone for his potential rather than his current hability is common in pretty much every sport.
And what happens with most of them?.....
Manager of Team Popo4Ever p/b Morshynska in the PCM.Daily Man-Game |
| |
|
