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The Difficult Topics
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 12-09-2012 21:30
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Due to the short lived discussion over at Pedros I decided to make a thread where we can discuss topics of a more serious nature, such as politics, religion, live and death, etc.
We wish to keep this a civil place. With these types of subjects there are usually strong opinions involved. There will be no slandering, name-calling etc. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and can freely express it, within certain limits.
Racist comments or hatefull remarks regarding ethnicity, political point of view, etc. will not be tollerated and is strictly forbidden.
Edited by cactus-jack on 02-01-2013 12:55
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 12-09-2012 21:39
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Excellent idea. We should make some basic rules though, when it comes to serious topics. Like no cursing and the 'everyone has a right to his own opinion' sort of thing. |
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| rogvi97 |
Posted on 12-09-2012 21:51
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Nice one my fellow sirs  Just kidding, very good idea cactus-jack! |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 12-09-2012 21:54
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Those are some good house rules.
So we continue on the subject that was going on over at Pedro's or start with a clean slate here? |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 12-09-2012 21:55
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It's my experience that political or religious discussion ends in inevitable flamewar every time
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 12-09-2012 22:00
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Could we make an agreement that if anyone repeatedly posts hatefull remarks that person will be reported to the administrators who might ban the persons account for a specified period of time?
I have high hopes for this as I feel we need a place to discuss some slightly more important subjects rather then cycling (as if there is anything more important).
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 12-09-2012 22:03
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As much as I think this helps keep the off-topic thread, off-topic, these types of discussions never end well....
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 12-09-2012 22:03
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@Cactus-jack:
If it's possible I would say yes, good idea.
It's difficult enough to have a community where there most members get along (I think this is one of the very few), but in a thread like this it gets even harder. So I agree with you.
Edited by Ian Butler on 12-09-2012 22:07
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 12-09-2012 22:05
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Every religion is stupid.
Every war is stupid.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 12-09-2012 22:07
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CrueTrue wrote:
Every religion is stupid.
Every war is stupid.
End of discussion
does this include going to war to defend against a nation/group clearly in the wrong?
oh crap.... its started...
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 12-09-2012 22:07
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Well, if no one sees this as a good idea, you might aswell close it right away.
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| Crommy |
Posted on 12-09-2012 22:08
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issoisso wrote:
It's my experience that political or religious discussion ends in inevitable flamewar every time
Yes, the discussions get to the point where they just don't seem to go any führer
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 12-09-2012 22:09
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Well, it's not because these discussions mostly end bad, we can't try to make it work.
It's easy to say religion and war is stupid, but they're still here, and not-talking about it won't end them.
I'm not saying we'll end a war here, but I think this could be very interesting. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 12-09-2012 22:14
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I can argue as much as I like. I'm not going to get any of the religious people in here to realise that there's no such thing as a big white-bearded man op in the sky.
So in some sense, it's kinda useless to discuss.
Wars? Can't be bothered myself, but feel free to discuss that if you like. |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 12-09-2012 22:18
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I agree that you won't convince a lot of people. But that shouldn't be the goal of the discussion. It should be more about learning other points of views. Understanding and respecting other opinions rather than tell them they're stupid and force your opinion on the other one. |
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 12-09-2012 22:19
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CrueTrue, you have now broken one of the major rules of the thread, namely slandering.
I will now have to report you to a moderator and he will have to ban your account for a period of time
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| Crommy |
Posted on 12-09-2012 22:21
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Ian Butler wrote:
I agree that you won't convince a lot of people. But that shouldn't be the goal of the discussion. It should be more about learning other points of views. Understanding and respecting other opinions rather than tell them they're stupid and force your opinion on the other one.
So, what about the opinions that don't deserve respect?
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 12-09-2012 22:24
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What doesn't go for me, is that people are dying all over Syria. People like you and me, regular Joe's. They didn't want any war, but they're the one paying the price of two camps fighting. The rebels fight the government, but who loses: mothers, kids, babies. They didn't ask for it.
Meanwhile, the UN talk about writing a piece of paper, to try to tell the president of Syria that maybe he isn't doing the best job, and maybe he should stop killing his people.
Then there was "peace". The UN sends in people to check to "peace" out, but they can't go to certain places because it's not safe, just been bombed. Hmmm, maybe the "peace" isn't working. Took them a while to figure that out...
@Crommy; That's a hard question, I admit. But that's not a reason not to try and discuss things, imo.
Edited by Ian Butler on 12-09-2012 22:26
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| felix_29 |
Posted on 12-09-2012 22:29
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CrueTrue wrote:
I can argue as much as I like. I'm not going to get any of the religious people in here to realise that there's no such thing as a big white-bearded man op in the sky.
So in some sense, it's kinda useless to discuss.
There is zero proof that there is no "big white-bearded man op in the sky".
There is zero proof that there is a "big white-bearded man op in the sky".
But i agree it´s useless to discuss something based on believe and not on facts.
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| Crommy |
Posted on 12-09-2012 22:32
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felix_29 wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
I can argue as much as I like. I'm not going to get any of the religious people in here to realise that there's no such thing as a big white-bearded man op in the sky.
So in some sense, it's kinda useless to discuss.
There is zero proof that there is no "big white-bearded man op in the sky".
There is zero proof that there is a "big white-bearded man op in the sky".
But i agree it´s useless to discuss something based on believe and not on facts.
https://yourlogica...n-of-proof
https://en.wikiped...9;s_teapot
Edited by Crommy on 12-09-2012 22:33
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