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| Rin |
Posted on 14-06-2011 14:03
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I would like to start a pre-season discussion thread with the transfer season coming soon? and don't want to write this in the MB statistics thread
Is Ciolek really that bad or is the competition in the CT better then in PT (although they are having a lot of better sprinters because of the higher salary cap)
I don't think Cio is that bad he won actually the Dome2Dome Cycling Challange after the.. hilarious exit of the Vattenfall Cyclassics but I was stupid to trade Roelandts so Crommy might thinking of how stupid I was (or still am  )
2010 the first LEGO season, my team as a weak version of Pokerstars just having Ciolek and Gil as the best riders with good ol' Petacchi and other sprinters and riders who could pull a lot
Ciolek got more stage wins then this season and this (2012) season I don't see where Ciolek should shine.. Just the Berlin ProRace but I think Mohs will win it, if I could bet PCMs on it I would do it
I start thinking of a bad season or the change to the new?er? PCM could help him
Smowz, you forgot Monfort in MBs analysis thread 
But maybe Team Bianchi will remind you this season that there is a team that just needs 1 more rider for Top 5 
There is a plenty of space for 1-2 more riders in my team with getting into the 2nd season with Monfort/Claeys/Rabon and when Stauff, Moschella, Zaini and Libert get enough XP this season, this have to be the promotion season otherwise I will have a lot of trouble holding the team together as I like the current team with the riders, even though thinking of being a bit defensive on the renewals giving some riders (a lot) more then they could have -> less
I think this calendar could fit Rabon a bit as he will get races where he could start to shine again but I just see my team at the moment and not the others with their strengths^^
Edited by Rin on 14-06-2011 14:08
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 14-06-2011 14:30
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My big plan for the new season is: win all 6 TTTs in the Pro Tour. If I can do that then I'm happy 
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 14-06-2011 16:01
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alexkr00 wrote:
My big plan for the new season is: win all 6 TTTs in the Pro Tour. If I can do that then I'm happy
And there's no Auber to get in your way! And Auber's "replacement" only has one time trialer!
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 14-06-2011 16:17
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rjc_43 wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
My big plan for the new season is: win all 6 TTTs in the Pro Tour. If I can do that then I'm happy
And there's no Auber to get in your way! And Auber's "replacement" only has one time trialer!
Yeah, it's good to know Auber are out of the way even though last year we were stronger where it really counted - in Eindhoven.
There are a few former Auber riders on my shortlist and one of them is even a top priority 
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| Heine |
Posted on 14-06-2011 16:18
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I'm really hopeful going into this season, mainly because my team already are stronger than last year, with 1 million of wage cap left.
I still got Kessiakoff and Rohregger, who were my GC riders last year. And both pretty much halved their wage. On the sprinter side I got the only "loss" in Brown, if you can even call that a loss :-p On the other hand Vedel Kvist is finished now, and I also got Sabatini and Vaitkus. None of them are the elite (like Swift, Mohs etc), but both won a classic last year. For Time Trials I got the best TTer in the division (in pure TT stat), and I belive he will be albe to deliver.
Ofc I hope to do some good trades aswell, if I get good offers the likes of Kessiakoff and Vaitkus might leave, and I hope to build a team that can develop and reach Pro Tour not this year but next.
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| dave92 |
Posted on 14-06-2011 16:38
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alexkr00 wrote:
rjc_43 wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
My big plan for the new season is: win all 6 TTTs in the Pro Tour. If I can do that then I'm happy
And there's no Auber to get in your way! And Auber's "replacement" only has one time trialer!
Yeah, it's good to know Auber are out of the way even though last year we were stronger where it really counted - in Eindhoven.
There are a few former Auber riders on my shortlist and one of them is even a top priority
And i've released two decent time trialers you may have an interest in as well. The ttt's seem yours for the taking, but are quite hard to predict.
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 14-06-2011 16:54
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dave92 wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
rjc_43 wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
My big plan for the new season is: win all 6 TTTs in the Pro Tour. If I can do that then I'm happy
And there's no Auber to get in your way! And Auber's "replacement" only has one time trialer!
Yeah, it's good to know Auber are out of the way even though last year we were stronger where it really counted - in Eindhoven.
There are a few former Auber riders on my shortlist and one of them is even a top priority
And i've released two decent time trialers you may have an interest in as well. The ttt's seem yours for the taking, but are quite hard to predict.
I'd say the short ones are harder to predict. If it's over 20km then usually the favorites will take it.
Last year I think you had a pretty bad result in Eindhoven because Z and Phinney were too strong compared with the rest of your rider while me and Auber had a more balanced team.
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| mattiasgt |
Posted on 14-06-2011 18:29
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Those decent TT:ers are mine!
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 14-06-2011 19:41
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I plan to either succeed spectacularly with Cafe de Colombia or crash and burn in an equally spectacular fashion. It's all about trying to get as many eggs in one basket as possible.
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 14-06-2011 19:43
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I plan to throw everything after getting one very specific rider, and if that fails, i will attempt at getting someone banned
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| Smowz |
Posted on 14-06-2011 20:17
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From a spectators point of view this transfer season is looking like it will be wild.
Two GT winners from last year and the CTour overall individual champ just for starters.
Fenian dumping a couple more big names in Gomez Marchante and Steegmans into the melting pot already stirring with some names from disbanded teams, not to mention Crommy's transfer listing of Popovoch certainly is adding to the excitement.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 14-06-2011 21:03
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And you dont even know what the new free agents will be like yet
Edited by SportingNonsense on 14-06-2011 21:03
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| jph27 |
Posted on 15-06-2011 19:31
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SportingNonsense wrote:
And you dont even know what the new free agents will be like yet
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| roturn |
Posted on 15-06-2011 19:34
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My primary goal is not to suck too much in the transfer season.
It`s my first and like other first time managers I don`t have the best knowledge of how much to bid.
But as said, my team isn`t build for just 1 year. |
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| cio93 |
Posted on 15-06-2011 19:45
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roturn wrote:
My primary goal is not to suck too much in the transfer season.
Exactly my thoughts
I read through all previous transfer seasons to get used to the thing a bit, but it will be very difficult to find the small way between being foolish on wages and having an awful roster...
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 15-06-2011 19:50
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Yeah the first season could be a tricky one. I remember I bid on a lot of riders in my first season exactly because I wasn't sure which is a small wage and which is a big one, especially since that was the first season when the salary cap was introduced.
But if you want to get a ride with a small wage the secret is to find one that isn't so popular among other teams. Less teams interested means a smaller wage, more teams interested means a bigger wage in most cases. In my first season I signed Goss for 500k and Cornu for like only 100k.
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| SotD |
Posted on 15-06-2011 19:58
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Also different types of riders vary a lot in wages... Climbers are almost always costing an incredible amount, so if you can get a good climber at a low wage, that is a very good buy (often).
TT'ers are usually expensive if they do also have a decent hilly stat, but otherwise you can get a pretty good TT'er for not too much.
Hilly riders are also extremely well-waged, while sprinters occassionally goes for nothing.
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| Heine |
Posted on 15-06-2011 21:15
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It's also a matter of luck ;-)
But my suggestion is to find a few leaders, and be willing to pay "overprice" for them, since they will (in theory) always end up with the team that is willing to pay the most.
In theory you can get a full team (20 riders) for 1 million, I would always keep this in the back of the head. As in other words this means that aslong as you got 1 million free after signing your leaders you will be able to get domestiques. And that might be enough (look at Bacardi last season).
I would also do as Roturn said, remember that you shouldn't make your team for just 1 season, a team like Santander and Wiggle are just examples on the top of my head of teams that signed youngsters and planned far ahead, look at them now. Both promoted and already got strong teams.
Anyway, I will post my general tips:
1) Plan ahead, make a list. Consider the riders, find the limit you want to go, see what different riders went for last season (not their current wage, as the after-renewals wage is in my experience lower than on the "market"
2) Do not act without thinking, always update your transfer sheet and always compare the riders you're bidding on to other riders
3) Study the db, update it so that you always got control
4) Try to make transfers with other teams, wage is the bottleneck because of the cap and riders from renewals often got lower wages. A good example here is (once again) Bacardi with the signing of Kirchen and Goss
5) Try to find out the stats riders will have in the future. Look at a rider like Haavardsholm last year, he looks shit. But he can reach 75 hills, in other words he might be able to score a good amount of points.
This might've been confusing, wrote this while my gf kept talking :-p
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| tsmoha |
Posted on 15-06-2011 21:19
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Thanks for the tips, Heine They will be quite usefull!
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 15-06-2011 21:23
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To add to Heine's list of tips:
#6: The Waghlon Rule; Dont think twice, think thrice. Then you will know its a stupid idea.
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