|
Best riders of the moment
|
| Wilier |
Posted on 30-05-2011 14:32
|
Grand Tour Specialist
Posts: 5405
Joined: 28-04-2008
PCM$: 200.00
|
The past few years we've seen a couple of riders dominating road cycling, each one in their own specialty. Cancellara has been dominating TT's and also he dominated the Cobbled classics last year. Cavendish dominates mass sprints. Contador has won 6 Grand Tours and of course Gilbert has been winning all hilly classics last spring, not to mention Giro di Lombardia last year. Which of these feats do you think is the best?
Edited by CrueTrue on 30-05-2011 15:10
|
| |
|
|
| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 30-05-2011 14:39
|
Sprinter
Posts: 1638
Joined: 28-03-2008
PCM$: 200.00
|
Personally i choose Gilbert. Just the way he won & dominated. next to that i'm a belgian myself so  .
Ive seen him racing in the tour of belgium. He was quite impressive as well
prevent hangovers --> stay drunk
pozzato, basically the most stupid cyclist around
RIP WW. Gone but not forgotten
|
| |
|
|
| kumazan |
Posted on 30-05-2011 14:43
|
Team Leader
Posts: 6662
Joined: 02-07-2009
PCM$: 200.00
|
Contador, by far. Gilbert only started dominating last year, while Contador is unbeaten in GTs since 2007. Cancellara is nowhere near as dominant in the cobbled classics, and TTs are that, just stages.
And, with all due respect both for you and Mark, I reckon comparing Cavendish with either of those guys is a bit of a joke. Cavendish has an overwhelming amount of 1 major win. 1. |
| |
|
|
| Wilier |
Posted on 30-05-2011 14:47
|
Grand Tour Specialist
Posts: 5405
Joined: 28-04-2008
PCM$: 200.00
|
kumazan wrote:
Contador, by far. Gilbert only started dominating last year, while Contador is unbeaten in GTs since 2007. Cancellara is nowhere near as dominant in the cobbled classics, and TTs are that, just stages.
And, with all due respect both for you and Mark, I reckon comparing Cavendish with either of those guys is a bit of a joke. Cavendish has an overwhelming amount of 1 major win. 1.
Well. I think his dominance in mass sprints (not classics) in the last few years is also a big feat, comparable to the others.
Personally I can't choose between Gilbert and Contador, though Kumazan is right that Contador has been dominating for years and Gilbert only 1,5 years.
Edited by Wilier on 30-05-2011 14:48
|
| |
|
|
| kumazan |
Posted on 30-05-2011 15:03
|
Team Leader
Posts: 6662
Joined: 02-07-2009
PCM$: 200.00
|
Wilier wrote:
Well. I think his dominance in mass sprints (not classics) in the last few years is also a big feat, comparable to the others.
Well, I agree that it's a big feat, but it is not comparable to what Gilbert, Contador and Cancellara have done, imo. |
| |
|
|
| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 30-05-2011 15:28
|
Tour de France Champion
Posts: 15830
Joined: 08-02-2007
PCM$: 200.00
|
first 3 getting my votes. |
| |
|
|
| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 30-05-2011 15:41
|
Team Manager
Posts: 33046
Joined: 08-03-2007
PCM$: 200.00
|
kumazan wrote:
And, with all due respect both for you and Mark, I reckon comparing Cavendish with either of those guys is a bit of a joke. Cavendish has an overwhelming amount of 1 major win. 1.
25 Grand Tour stage wins, and 1 GT points jersey mean nothing to you then?
|
| |
|
|
| Ad Bot |
Posted on 28-11-2024 13:21
|
Bot Agent
Posts: Countless
Joined: 23.11.09
|
|
| IP: None |
|
|
| mb2612 |
Posted on 30-05-2011 15:47
|
Team Leader
Posts: 5759
Joined: 18-05-2008
PCM$: 200.00
|
Contador, because he's succeeded solo.
Cav has the best lead out chain in the world
Cance had amazing support in cobbles, and you don't need help in the TT's
OPL were the strongest team this year.
 [url=www.pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=33182] Team Santander Media Thread[/url]
Please assume I am joking unless otherwise stated |
| |
|
|
| kumazan |
Posted on 30-05-2011 16:06
|
Team Leader
Posts: 6662
Joined: 02-07-2009
PCM$: 200.00
|
SportingNonsense wrote:
kumazan wrote:
And, with all due respect both for you and Mark, I reckon comparing Cavendish with either of those guys is a bit of a joke. Cavendish has an overwhelming amount of 1 major win. 1.
25 Grand Tour stage wins, and 1 GT points jersey mean nothing to you then?
I said major wins. A stage or a secondary classification are not major wins. |
| |
|
|
| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 30-05-2011 16:11
|
Team Manager
Posts: 33046
Joined: 08-03-2007
PCM$: 200.00
|
kumazan wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
kumazan wrote:
And, with all due respect both for you and Mark, I reckon comparing Cavendish with either of those guys is a bit of a joke. Cavendish has an overwhelming amount of 1 major win. 1.
25 Grand Tour stage wins, and 1 GT points jersey mean nothing to you then?
I said major wins. A stage or a secondary classification are not major wins.
Theres not much more that a sprinter can aim for though, is there? And if you are judging who of the 4 are most impressive, you have to look at it all relatively.
It doesnt take much to go from your apparent opinion, to the idea that Cavendish is not impressive because he never does well in the GC of Grand Tours.
|
| |
|
|
| rjc_43 |
Posted on 30-05-2011 16:23
|
Team Leader
Posts: 6716
Joined: 13-10-2007
PCM$: 200.00
|
To be perfectly honest, I find the feat of a rider slogging themselves to death (or near death) day after day in service of a team leader, unthanked and unseen far more of an impressive feat than someone who's overpaid, overdrugged (no comments on who) and generally rides their bike like they're a Cunt.
Oops, may have given away who I was beating on there. Nevermind, no one likes Cancellara anyway.  
[url=cleavercycling.co.uk]  [/url] |
| |
|
|
| kumazan |
Posted on 30-05-2011 16:35
|
Team Leader
Posts: 6662
Joined: 02-07-2009
PCM$: 200.00
|
SportingNonsense wrote:
kumazan wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
kumazan wrote:
And, with all due respect both for you and Mark, I reckon comparing Cavendish with either of those guys is a bit of a joke. Cavendish has an overwhelming amount of 1 major win. 1.
25 Grand Tour stage wins, and 1 GT points jersey mean nothing to you then?
I said major wins. A stage or a secondary classification are not major wins.
Theres not much more that a sprinter can aim for though, is there? And if you are judging who of the 4 are most impressive, you have to look at it all relatively.
It doesnt take much to go from your apparent opinion, to the idea that Cavendish is not impressive because he never does well in the GC of Grand Tours.
Freire is a sprinter and he has 6 major wins. And a quite important one week race too. I don't think Cavendish has to do well in GC of GTs to compare with those guys, but it'd help if he had won more times in San Remo, for instance.
rjc_43 wrote:
To be perfectly honest, I find the feat of a rider slogging themselves to death (or near death) day after day in service of a team leader, unthanked and unseen far more of an impressive feat than someone who's overpaid, overdrugged (no comments on who) and generally rides their bike like they're a Cunt.
Oops, may have given away who I was beating on there. Nevermind, no one likes Cancellara anyway.
Those who work for overdrugged riders are usually drugged too. They can't afford the same treatment though.
Edited by kumazan on 30-05-2011 16:36
|
| |
|
|
| hellboy |
Posted on 30-05-2011 16:40
|
Breakaway Specialist
Posts: 850
Joined: 27-10-2009
PCM$: 200.00
|
Voted for Contador in terms of domination...
Go Roman!
|
| |
|
|
| Anonymer |
Posted on 30-05-2011 16:43
|
Domestique
Posts: 522
Joined: 20-07-2009
PCM$: 200.00
|
I always like Gilbert, Contador is very dominating, but if he gets banned it's not that impressive anymore. Cancellara failed this year and I just don't like Cav, so my vote goes to Gilbert |
| |
|
|
| shin0da_13 |
Posted on 30-05-2011 16:48
|
Free Agent
Posts: 142
Joined: 21-05-2010
PCM$: 200.00
|
Freire is a sprinter and he has 6 major wins. And a quite important one week race too. I don't think Cavendish has to do well in GC of GTs to compare with those guys, but it'd help if he had won more times in San Remo, for instance.
Ok, but Freire is 35 while Cavendish 26. Freire won his first San Remo at 28, Cav at 23. I think the brit still has a lot of time to improve his palmares. |
| |
|
|
| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 30-05-2011 16:50
|
Team Manager
Posts: 33046
Joined: 08-03-2007
PCM$: 200.00
|
kumazan wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
kumazan wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
kumazan wrote:
And, with all due respect both for you and Mark, I reckon comparing Cavendish with either of those guys is a bit of a joke. Cavendish has an overwhelming amount of 1 major win. 1.
25 Grand Tour stage wins, and 1 GT points jersey mean nothing to you then?
I said major wins. A stage or a secondary classification are not major wins.
Theres not much more that a sprinter can aim for though, is there? And if you are judging who of the 4 are most impressive, you have to look at it all relatively.
It doesnt take much to go from your apparent opinion, to the idea that Cavendish is not impressive because he never does well in the GC of Grand Tours.
Freire is a sprinter and he has 6 major wins. And a quite important one week race too. I don't think Cavendish has to do well in GC of GTs to compare with those guys, but it'd help if he had won more times in San Remo, for instance.
When Freire was the age that Cavendish is now, he hadnt won any Milan San Remos. 2 World Championships, sure, but only 1 TDF Stage win, and 2 Vuelta stage wins.
Edit: Beaten to it
For an out of out sprinter, GT stages are the thing to judge, and you really cant fault Cavendish there. What he needs most now though, is a Green jersey.
Edited by SportingNonsense on 30-05-2011 16:51
|
| |
|
|
| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 30-05-2011 16:57
|
World Champion
Posts: 10121
Joined: 01-05-2010
PCM$: 200.00
|
Voted for Gilbert.
|
| |
|
|
| arthon |
Posted on 30-05-2011 17:01
|
Domestique
Posts: 581
Joined: 22-07-2009
PCM$: 200.00
|
Voted Cancellara for being the best all-rounder out of the four, but the first three are the best riders of the moment at when they do. |
| |
|
|
| kumazan |
Posted on 30-05-2011 17:07
|
Team Leader
Posts: 6662
Joined: 02-07-2009
PCM$: 200.00
|
SportingNonsense wrote:
When Freire was the age that Cavendish is now, he hadnt won any Milan San Remos. 2 World Championships, sure, but only 1 TDF Stage win, and 2 Vuelta stage wins.
Edit: Beaten to it
For an out of out sprinter, GT stages are the thing to judge, and you really cant fault Cavendish there. What he needs most now though, is a Green jersey.
God I hate those quote pyramids.
That's true. Whenever Cavendish has 3 MSR and 3 WC in his palmares we can repeat this poll. I'd surely vote for Contador again (as I wouldn't have voted for Freire either had he been in this poll), but then I'd find Cavendish inclusion perfectly fair.
A rider who has won 25 GT stages aged 26 is a great rider, no doubt about that. But to be in the same level of riders who have won 6 GTs plus lots of smaller stage races, 4 monuments + a shitload of pretty big races and 3 monuments including an Ardennes triple, he needs to win something bigger. |
| |
|
|
| mowinckel91 |
Posted on 30-05-2011 17:18
|
Breakaway Specialist
Posts: 995
Joined: 24-02-2007
PCM$: 200.00
|
Gilbert has been dominating the hilly classics, so he gets my vote! |
| |
|
