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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 23-02-2011 00:19
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We're closing in on the 2011 World Championships in Croatia, and the hilly course that it entials. Frank Schleck will hope to make that step up to the top step of the World Championship podium, but plenty of challenges will arise as the startlists are revealed. Defending champion Valverde is one, with Schumacher, Trofimov, Ginanni, Hagen and Gesink all highly tipped by bookmakers it seemed.
Yes, that includes Ginanni. He doesnt seem particularly suited to continental races this season, but can he shine amongst a controversial Italian team selection? 3 rounds of selection were required to finalise the squad, which is missing top rider Riccardo Ricco. A number of Italian selectors having snubbed him during the selection process.
In the Under 23 Road Race, its hard to look past Taylor Phinney. Tour de l'Avenir winner Justo Tenorio will do his best as will the likes of Zaini, Dowsett, Guldhammer and Sagan - but the odds favour Phinney. As they will in the U23 RR - and maybe, he could be the one to beat in the Elite TT aswell?
Its hard to tell just how the nature of the course willl effect things, and alter whether Zabriskie can win once again. Rogers is missing, but rivals will include Phinney, Coppel and Cancellara. The likes of Frank Schleck and EB Hagen could maybe pull of a huge shock, but the dark horses are more likely to be riders like Gesink, Fothen, Pluchkin and Uran.
And starting the race is the TTT. Spain edged Netherlands last year, and these 2 are the top favourites once again.
Startlists:
TTT
Spoiler
Usa
1. D.Zabriskie
2. S.Cozza
3. J.Donald
4. B.Jacques-Maynes
5. D.Pate
6. T.Peterson
7. T.Phinney
8. T.Zirbel
Switzerland
11. F.Cancellara
12. M.Albasini
13. M.Elmiger
14. S.Morabito
15. M.Schär
16. D.Vitoria
17. M.Wyss
18. S.Zahner
France
21. J.Coppel
22. W.Bonnet
23. M.Bouet
24. D.Champion
25. S.Ivars
26. M.Ladagnous
27. P.Rolland
28. B.Vaugrenard
Netherlands
31. M.Keizer
32. L.Boom
33. S.Clement
34. T.Dees
35. T.Dekker
36. R.Gesink
37. J.Posthuma
38. K.Reus
Belgium
41. D.Cornu
42. T.De Gendt
43. S.Devolder
44. P.Gilbert
45. K.Goddaert
46. O.Kaisen
47. S.Pauwels
48. J.Van Goolen
Russia
51. M.Ignatiev
52. P.Brutt
53. V.Karpets
54. I.Kovalev
55. T.Kritskiy
56. D.Menchov
57. A.Ovechkin
58. Y.Trofimov
Germany
61. J.Fiedler
62. M.Barth
63. M.Fothen
64. N.Keinath
65. M.Kittel
66. R.Kluge
67. S.Lang
68. S.Schumacher
Spain
71. R.Plaza
72. D.Abal
73. C.Castaño
74. A.Contador
75. J.Gutiérrez Palacios
76. B.Intxausti
77. J.Tenorio
78. A.Valverde
Colombia
81. R.Úran
82. M.Ardila
83. A.Ardila Cano
84. F.Duarte
85. S.Henao Montoya
86. E.Parra Bustamante
87. W.Pedraza
88. J.Serpa
Australia
91. Z.Dempster
92. C.Evans
93. W.Ford
94. M.Ford
95. A.Hansen
96. S.Higgerson
97. P.Thuaux
98. W.Walker
Ukraine
101. J.Popovych
102. V.Bileka
103. A.Grivko
104. R.Grychenko
105. W.Gustov
106. J.Krivtsov
107. O.Martynenko
108. V.Ratiy
Norway
111. T.Hushovd
112. O.Haavardsholm
113. E.Hagen
114. A.Lund
115. L.Nordhaug
116. S.Sommerseth
117. K.Vassdål
118. F.Wilman
South Africa
121. I.Stannard
122. S.Cummings
123. T.Diggle
124. C.Froome
125. D.Millar
126. B.Swift
127. A.Tennant
128. B.Wiggins
Denmark
131. A.Steensen
132. L.Bak
133. L.Bøchman
134. M.Christensen
135. J.Fuglsang
136. R.Guldhammer
137. M.Mortensen
138. J.Sørensen
Kazakhstan
141. A.Kashechkin
142. A.Bazajev
143. M.Gourov
144. M.Iglinski
145. V.Iglinski
146. D.Muravjev
147. Y.Nepomnyachsniy
148. A.Nepomnyachsniy
Italy
151. D.Pozzovivo
152. L.Ascani
153. G.Caruso
154. D.Di Luca
155. S.Ghisalberti
156. F.Pozzato
157. M.Quinziato
158. L.Sestili
Luxembourg
161. K.Kirchen
162. D.Claerebout
163. N.Clesen
164. B.Gastauer
165. J.Kirch
166. C.Kirsch
167. C.Poos
168. F.Schleck
Sweden
171. F.Johansson
172. F.Kessiakoff
173. T.Lövkvist
174. L.Persson
175. V.Renäng
176. C.Stevenson
177. M.Öste-Macdonald
Belarus
181. V.Kiryenka
182. F.Kasumov
183. K.Klimiankou
184. A.Krasilnikau
185. S.Novikau
186. B.Samoilev
187. K.Siutsou
188. Y.Sobal
Lithuania
191. R.Navardauskas
192. G.Bagdonas
193. D.Kairelis
194. I.Konovalovas
195. A.Kruopis
196. D.Stundzia
197. T.Vaitkus
New Zealand
201. S.Bewley
202. J.Allan
203. H.Blackgrove
204. L.Hutchings
205. S.O'Neill
206. J.Sergent
207. J.Williamson
208. J.Yates
Portugal
211. H.Broco
212. M.Cardoso
213. A.Cardoso
214. J.Mendes
215. R.Mestre
216. B.Pires
217. J.Rodrigues Silva
218. A.Vital
Croatia
221. M.Kvasina
222. T.Danculovic
223. K.Durasek
224. R.Kiserlovski
225. V.Miholjevic
226. H.Miholjevic
227. Z.Pokupec
228. R.Rogina
Venezuela
231. J.Rujano
232. F.Chacon
233. J.Chacon
234. Y.Delgado
235. H.Machado
236. C.Ochoa
237. J.RodrÃguez
238. P.Torres
Israel (Control)
241. D.Dviri
242. M.Burlutsky
243. N.Cohen
244. D.Eliad
245. N.Hortig
246. N.Margalit
247. I.Shapira
248. A.Wolff
U23 TT
Spoiler Usa
1. T.Phinney
2. R.Eastman
Spain
11. J.Tenorio
12. M.Jornet
Australia
21. J.Bobridge
22. L.Howard
Belgium
31. J.Wallays
32. J.Paquet
Slovakia
41. P.Sagan
42. J.Sagan
Africa
51. D.Teklehaimanot
52. O.Compaore
53. B.Moore
54. Y.Reguigui
United Kingdom
61. A.Blythe
62. J.Perrett
Germany
71. L.Schädlich
72. J.Degenkolb
Netherlands
81. J.Bol
82. M.Vrijmoed
Austria
91. M.Brändle
92. T.Hasibeder
Denmark
101. M.Reckweg
102. J.Sørensen
France
111. M.Bernaudeau
112. N.Boisson
Liechtenstein / Luxembourg
121. D.Rinner
122. T.Thill
South Africa
131. R.Janse van Rensburg
132. B.Potgieter
Italy
141. E.Viviani
142. A.Balloni
Malaysia / Russia
151. M.Mat Amin
152. Z.Tsveiba
Portugal
161. N.Oliveira
162. J.Gonçalves
Iran
171. H.Reza
172. A.Gilanipoor
Colombia
181. A.RodrÃguez
182. J.Pantano Gómez
China
191. W.Li
192. Y.Wei
Ukraine
201. O.Martynenko
202. A.Kharkovschenko
New Zealand
211. S.O'Neill
212. D.Senesi
Tunisia
221. J.Haroun
222. M.Zenagui
Switzerland
231. R.Schmid
232. R.Stricker
Poland
241. B.Wujczak
242. E.Sapela
Elite TT
Spoiler Usa
1. D.Zabriskie
2. T.Phinney
Switzerland
11. F.Cancellara
12. M.Schär
France
21. J.Coppel
22. P.Rolland
Netherlands
31. M.Keizer
32. R.Gesink
Belgium
41. D.Cornu
42. S.Devolder
Russia
51. M.Ignatiev
52. V.Karpets
Moldova
61. A.Pluchkin
62. V.Zemlianoi
Spain
71. R.Plaza
72. B.Intxausti
Germany
81. M.Fothen
82. M.Kittel
Colombia
91. R.Úran
92. J.Serpa
Ukraine
101. J.Popovych
102. A.Grivko
Australia
111. M.Ford
112. C.Evans
Norway
121. T.Hushovd
122. E.Hagen
Czech Republic
131. R.Kreuziger
132. J.Danacik
United Kingdom
141. I.Stannard
142. A.Tennant
Denmark
151. A.Steensen
152. L.Bak
Kazakhstan
161. A.Kashechkin
162. M.Iglinski
Italy
171. D.Pozzovivo
172. L.Sestili
Luxembourg
181. K.Kirchen
182. F.Schleck
Sweden
191. F.Johansson
192. V.Renäng
Canada
201. C.Meier
202. D.Rollin
Belarus
211. V.Kiryenka
212. B.Samoilev
Lithuania
221. R.Navardauskas
222. I.Konovalovas
Tunisia
231. R.Chtioui
232. J.Haroun
Croatia
241. M.Kvasina
242. R.Kiserlovski
U23 RR
Spoiler Usa
1. T.Phinney
2. T.Brandt
3. R.Eastman
4. P.Mach
5. D.Summerhill
6. E.Weiss
Spain
11. J.Tenorio
12. G.Bravo
13. J.Herrada
14. M.Landa
15. E.Mardones
16. L.Mas
Italy
21. T.Zaini
22. E.Battaglin
23. T.Costagli
24. P.Locatelli
25. S.Locatelli
26. A.Passalacqua
United Kingdom
31. A.Dowsett
32. A.Bonser
33. T.Copeland
34. M.Cronshaw
35. T.Kennaugh
36. P.Kennaugh
Denmark
41. R.Guldhammer
42. C.Juul-Jensen
43. R.Quaade
44. M.Reckweg
45. J.Sørensen
Slovakia
51. P.Sagan
52. M.Bozik
53. M.Mahdar
54. M.Procner
55. M.Rovnak
56. J.Sagan
Belgium
61. J.Wallays
62. J.Adams
63. D.Beatse
64. Y.Eijssen
65. W.Jallays
66. J.Keukeleire
Colombia
71. C.Betancourt
72. A.Alzate
73. R.Bello
74. A.RodrÃguez
75. A.Saldarriaga
76. M.Zabárbulo
Poland
81. G.Lejman
82. J.Adamczyk
83. M.Kwiatkowski
84. P.Noga
85. L.Owsian
86. D.Ulanowski
Australia
91. J.Bobridge
92. L.Howard
93. M.Matthews
94. T.Meyer
95. T.Roe
96. A.Semple
Africa
101. D.Teklehaimanot
102. C.Anguilet
103. O.Compaore
104. H.Kiprotich
105. B.Moore
106. Y.Reguigui
Netherlands
111. J.Bol
112. M.Boeve
113. J.Gmelich
114. M.Hofland
115. J.Ockeloen
116. J.Posthuma
Mixed Team
121. S.Cioban
122. M.Lund
123. D.Rinner
124. P.Scarponi
125. A.Tremblay
126. J.Williamson
France
131. T.Pinot
132. J.Bar
133. J.Druon
134. V.Jacquier
135. J.Le Bon
136. D.Le Boulch
Germany
141. J.Degenkolb
142. J.Kahra
143. M.Meisen
144. D.Nerz
145. C.Schmieg
146. G.Weissenbacher
Turkey
151. M.Sayar
152. B.Akdilek
153. G.Hasta
154. M.Karagobek
Austria
161. M.Brändle
162. M.Haller
163. T.Hasibeder
Ukraine
171. D.Goryainov
172. R.Chuchulin
173. V.Chumachenko
174. O.Martynenko
175. M.Smigunov
176. A.Topchanyuk
Norway
181. O.Haavardsholm
182. T.Enæs
183. V.Laengen
184. I.Stokstad
185. J.Ziesler
Israel
191. I.Shapira
192. T.Bucher
193. N.Cohen
194. S.Haimy
195. N.Margalit
Russia
201. A.Ryabkin
202. K.Kuperasov
203. N.Novikov
204. V.Shmalko
205. G.Tatarinov
206. M.Toporishchev
Iran
211. H.Reza
212. D.Alazzawi
213. A.Gilanipoor
214. P.Hamed
215. A.Moazzemi
216. F.Navid
Elite RR
Spoiler Luxembourg
1. F.Schleck
2. D.Claerebout
3. Y.Da Luz
4. S.Einsle
5. B.Gastauer
6. K.Kirchen
7. C.Kirsch
8. K.Michely
9. N.Schinker
Germany
11. S.Schumacher
12. M.Burghardt
13. M.Fothen
14. N.Keinath
15. D.Klemme
16. R.Kluge
17. D.Mehr-Wenige
18. P.Sinkewitz
19. F.Wegmann
Russia
21. Y.Trofimov
22. A.Efimkin
23. M.Ignatiev
24. V.Karpets
25. A.Kolobnev
26. D.Menchov
27. E.Petrov
28. I.Rovny
29. E.Vorganov
Spain
31. A.Valverde
32. J.Cobo
33. A.Contador
34. K.Gil
35. D.López Garcia
36. J.Rodriguez Oliver
37. L.Sanchez Gil
38. S.Sánchez Gonzalez
39. D.Arroyo
Italy
41. F.Ginanni
42. S.Anza
43. D.Di Luca
44. S.Ghisalberti
45. S.Ponzi
46. F.Pozzato
47. E.Sella
48. D.Ulissi
49. D.Caruso
Norway
51. E.Hagen
52. O.Haavardsholm
53. T.Hushovd
54. A.Lund
55. S.Remme
56. F.Wilman
Netherlands
61. R.Gesink
62. L.Boom
63. T.Dekker
64. J.Hoogerland
65. J.Posthuma
66. K.Reus
67. M.Schreurs
68. P.Weening
69. R.van der Hugenhaben
Belgium
71. J.Bakelants
72. D.Claeys
73. S.Devolder
74. P.Gilbert
75. B.Hermans
76. B.Leukemans
77. M.Monfort
78. J.Roelandts
79. W.Van Huffel
Usa
81. T.Van Garderen
82. M.Busche
83. B.Jacques-Maynes
84. R.Kilun
85. T.Phinney
86. S.Raisin
87. P.Stetina
88. D.Summerhill
89. D.Zabriskie
Ukraine
91. J.Popovych
92. V.Bileka
93. A.Grivko
94. R.Grychenko
95. W.Gustov
96. V.Ratiy
Kazakhstan
101. A.Kashechkin
102. M.Iglinski
103. Y.Nepomnyachsniy
France
111. S.Calzati
112. S.Casar
113. S.Chavanel
114. M.Chérel
115. J.Coppel
116. J.Gadret
117. C.Gautier
118. A.Moinard
119. A.Roux
United Kingdom
121. C.Froome
122. D.Appleby
123. T.Diggle
124. A.Dowsett
125. T.Faiers
126. A.Tennant
Ireland
131. N.Roche
132. P.Deignan
133. D.Martin
Switzerland
141. M.Albasini
142. F.Cancellara
143. S.Morabito
144. G.Rast
145. M.Wyss
146. S.Zahner
Sweden
151. T.Lövkvist
152. F.Johansson
153. F.Kessiakoff
154. L.Persson
155. C.Stevenson
156. M.Öste-Macdonald
Colombia
161. M.Ardila
162. A.Ardila Cano
163. F.Duarte
164. S.Henao Montoya
165. L.Laverde Jimenez
166. W.Pedraza
167. J.Serpa
168. M.Soler
169. R.Úran
Austria
171. B.Kohl
172. S.Denifl
173. T.Rohregger
Venezuela
181. J.Rujano
182. F.Chacon
183. J.Chacon
184. Y.Delgado
185. H.Machado
186. J.RodrÃguez
Croatia
191. R.Kiserlovski
192. T.Danculovic
193. M.Kvasina
South Africa
201. D.Impey
202. J.Augustyn
203. J.Van Heerden
Australia
211. W.Walker
212. A.Davis
213. C.Evans
214. W.Ford
215. A.Hansen
216. W.Sulzberger
Cuba
221. Y.Martinez
222. A.Cardoso Española
223. D.MartÃnez
Denmark
231. A.Steensen
232. L.Bak
233. R.Guldhammer
Portugal
241. R.Mestre
242. B.Pires
243. A.Vital
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Posted on 23-02-2011 00:37
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few names from my team are here, so I´m looking forward to reports 
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Posted on 23-02-2011 01:02
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Nice to see a lot of EL AL riders up there. Calzati, Chavanel, Rollin, Rast, Raisin, Bar, Konovalovas, the Israelis for the U23 RR (and the TTT control). |
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Posted on 23-02-2011 01:55
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Posted on 23-02-2011 02:31
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Posted on 23-02-2011 05:05
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Why no Madrazo in the U23 races?
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Posted on 23-02-2011 06:20
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Rly? Ricco is the best Italian rider behind Cunego and D. Caruso got picked above him in a selection round? RIcco is in every way superior, and is even a big favorite for the win. I fucking picked the 9 best riders in my first selection, which were those 9 - D. Caruso, but + R. Ricco. How egoistic can you be, rly.
If you something in personal against me, then please send me a pm. But otherwise, i see no reason why not to take Ricco. In the back of my head, he is the only one who has actually won hilly classics on PT lvl, even when looking at this season he is still the best choice when it comes to hills.
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Posted on 23-02-2011 07:23
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The intriguing squads should make for fascinating viewing. That hill looks almost mountainous so I will go with a surprise winner in Robert Gesink over Valverde and Schleck for the main event - I will be rooting for Rigoberto Uran.
I would place riders like Gesink and Pluichkin quite highly on the Worlds TT course but after seeing Phinney in action at the tour I am convinced he can double up for the Time Trial. Perhaps the American can take the U23 road race as well - he has a Tour of America - Pellizotti like domination in stats on the rest of the field.
The team test - its is surely Spain vs Holland, though I am hopeful for a decent performance from the Colombians.
The Italian selection controversy: I must admit on the way to the meeting for the Colombia selections I did see some DS's with some fat brown envelopes. Looking at the facts:
41. F.Ginanni (Vespa)
42. S.Anza (Sony)
43. D.Di Luca (Nespresso)
44. S.Ghisalberti (Lipton)
45. S.Ponzi (Wiggle)
46. F.Pozzato (Mercedes)
47. E.Sella (Lipton)
48. D.Ulissi (Festina)
49. D.Caruso (Wiggle)
rjc_43 (wiggle), fenian_1234 (vespa), levi4life (mercedes), Kami (Bacardi), wackojacko (pendletons), Gustavovskiy (Energie Diesal).
Seems like some Protour snobbery perhaps? Still it looks like a fairly interesting squad full of equals. But could possibly the real life Ricco idiocy have cost his Man Game World Championship non inclusion? I am sure the Cobra will be devastated but will be reeking havoc on the Protour rides next year!
On a serious note - I think some of the selectors will justify their selections based on Protour results. I believe Ponzi, Ulissi, Sella and Caruso have all won Italian Protour stages. The selection I would query based on results though is Ginanni
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Posted on 23-02-2011 07:58
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Might be that some of the managers wanted a single leader (if that can be said for the Italian team) and not 2 equals, so they went with Ginanni and decided to leave Ricco at home. Dunno
I actually guess he will win (for once), but I want a real outsider, like Løvkvist. So I root for him for the main event. For the TT I belive that Coppel can copy the TdF TT and win, tough he need some luck.
Will be fun to watch 
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Posted on 23-02-2011 08:42
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The Italian selection merely simulates the Italian real life selection. Completely and utterly biased.
Plus I hate Ricco, hence my non-vote for him. And, you can have too many leaders if you're not careful. I think we're fine as we are.
I'd love to see Ginanni take the win, purely just to annoy fenian. It'd mean his wage would be silly high (still) even though he continues to fail in the continental tour! |
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Posted on 23-02-2011 09:08
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France
21. J.Coppel
22. W.Bonnet
23. M.Bouet
24. D.Champion
25. S.Ivars
26. M.Ladagnous
27. P.Rolland
28. B.Vaugrenard
I'm quite surprised that there haven't been room for Bernaudeau here, as Ladagnous is significantly worse, while also Vaugrenard and Champion debatably is worse. So a bit sorry with that selection.
The same goes for Roger Kluge in Germany, where Patrick Gretsch and Lucas Schädlich have been overlooked, having in mind that they are MUCH stronger in a TT race imo.
I assume they can be selected for the Senior race, eventhough they are able to ride U23. Phinney is the the senior race I believe.
Also seing how Castaño has performed all season, I would've like him to be selected in the Spanish RR, but I could just have picked him as higher priority myself I guess. I just tried to pick the best suited riders, so just too bad, that the others didn't agree with him being there. On paper I find him much better suited than David Arroyo and Koldo Gil here, but doesn't matter too much, as I already have 2 riders there.
On a more positive note, I'm extremely pleased with several riders picked. A lot of my TT'ers are riding the TTTs and a couple is even in the TT selections. I have a bunch of RR racers aswell, where I'm very pleased to see Diego Ulissi making it to the Italian team, and that Mauricio Ardila on paper is captain for the Colombian setup, being amongst some very strong riders (Much stronger than him).
On the Italian note I believe I would've picked these 9 in priored order:
1. Riccardo Ricco
2. Simone Ponzi
3. Filippo Pozzato
4. Franco Pellizotti
5. Sergio Ghisalberti
6. Daniele Di Luca
7. Diego Ulissi
8. Vincenzo Nibali
9. Domenico Pozzovivo
I would exclude Francesco Ginanni based on his results this season, but otherwise he could be included instead of Pozzo. I can't see what riders such as Damiano Caruso and Santo Anza can do in a race like this. It seems much to mountanous, so Sella (Who is picked) could perhaps also be a bet.
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I the TTT, hopefully Spain can take back to back wins, I'm annoyed that Guiterez got a spot on the team ahead of Sanchez Gil, while Abal ahead of Snachez Gonzalez is also a little frustrating. Hopefully it works anyway.
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SotD wrote:
The same goes for Roger Kluge in Germany, where Patrick Gretsch and Lucas Schädlich have been overlooked, having in mind that they are MUCH stronger in a TT race imo.
Kluge can´t be considered as a surprise, since only rjc and me picked out the squad 
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Saw this from the TTT line up
South Africa
121. I.Stannard
122. S.Cummings
123. T.Diggle
124. C.Froome
125. D.Millar
126. B.Swift
127. A.Tennant
128. B.Wiggins
Damn I knew the South Africans would take revenge for England pouching their cricketers. Now Froome I can live with, Millar has barely lived in the UK in his live time. But Swifty and Wiggo - I demand to see documents of their South African heritage
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beagle wrote:
SotD wrote:
The same goes for Roger Kluge in Germany, where Patrick Gretsch and Lucas Schädlich have been overlooked, having in mind that they are MUCH stronger in a TT race imo.
Kluge can´t be considered as a surprise, since only rjc and me picked out the squad
Well I reckoned that most managers would pick out the best riders. If a rider was on the 50/50 or so they would pick their own riders. That was why I only wanted to be selector for Spain. But I can see that everyone just wants as many of their own riders in as possible, which I guess is the normal way to react. It seems like it anyway. I have tried to pick upon strength rather than on my own riders - Basically because the WC should feature the best riders in the world to make the race as interesting as possible.
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SotD wrote:
beagle wrote:
SotD wrote:
The same goes for Roger Kluge in Germany, where Patrick Gretsch and Lucas Schädlich have been overlooked, having in mind that they are MUCH stronger in a TT race imo.
Kluge can´t be considered as a surprise, since only rjc and me picked out the squad
Well I reckoned that most managers would pick out the best riders. If a rider was on the 50/50 or so they would pick their own riders. That was why I only wanted to be selector for Spain. But I can see that everyone just wants as many of their own riders in as possible, which I guess is the normal way to react. It seems like it anyway. I have tried to pick upon strength rather than on my own riders - Basically because the WC should feature the best riders in the world to make the race as interesting as possible.
1) IRL many of top riders don´t even care about WC...
2) I believe most managers will consider race more interesting with their own riders participating
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and if you want to compare your TT-ists with Kluge...look at the profile and lenght
indeed, both have better TT skill (78 resp. 77 > 74), but how about other skills? Gretsch with his 57 HIL, Schadlich with 61HIL but without FLA and STA...I think Kluge can offer more
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beagle wrote:
and if you want to compare your TT-ists with Kluge...look at the profile and lenght
indeed, both have better TT skill (78 resp. 77 > 74), but how about other skills? Gretsch with his 57 HIL, Schadlich with 61HIL but without FLA and STA...I think Kluge can offer more
Yep, SotD didn't pick the best examples. That said the exclusion of Kessler and Gerdeman is a very odd decision
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Posted on 23-02-2011 10:45
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mb2612 wrote:
beagle wrote:
and if you want to compare your TT-ists with Kluge...look at the profile and lenght
indeed, both have better TT skill (78 resp. 77 > 74), but how about other skills? Gretsch with his 57 HIL, Schadlich with 61HIL but without FLA and STA...I think Kluge can offer more
Yep, SotD didn't pick the best examples. That said the exclusion of Kessler and Gerdeman is a very odd decision
neither Kessler nor Gerdemann were nominated
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Kittel, Barth (Vesuvio), Martens (Wolfskin) Mehr-Wenige, Sinkewitz(Auber) Burghardt (Wiki) Christian Müller, Stefan Schumacher (UBS) Wegmann (Free) Lucas Schädlich (Festina)
Andreas Klier (Telenor) Schadlich, Gretsch (Festina) Keinath, Klemme (B&O) Kluge (Pokerstars) Lang (Sony Ericsson) Bontenackels (Lipton) Fiedler (Nespresso) Fothen (Pearl)
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Kessler is a free agent, so you could have nominated him, Gerdeman fair enough.
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