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Vuelta a Espana Discussion Thread
mb2612
So GT number 2, who will tame this Spanish Monster?

First up lets look at the route to evaluate what skills will be required. I will then evaluate each rider and team based on those skills to discover who is the favourite.

The first 7 stages:
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First we have a 4km prologue, favouring time trialists but on the whole there are unlikely to be major gaps. I give this stage a 2 for decisiveness

5 flat stages follow, unlikely to do much for the GC bar any possible crashes, but stage 4 could cause some chaos with the hills close to the finish, giving it a 1 for decisiveness among Puncheurs

Stage 7 is a 31km time trial, this will test defending champion Schleck and may well put him on the back foot come the Mountains. As such this stage gets a 7.

The magnificent 7 stages:
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This is where the going gets tough, we finish stage 8 with a massive 20km climb, although the lack of any seriously steep ramps gives this stage only a 6.

A hilly stage is next, but the finish is vicious and Valverde will be gunning for this one, unfortunately small time gaps will probably cause this to be only a 5.

We then get some recovery stages, expect breakaways to make it, before BOOM, back to the summit finishes. 12, 13, 14 are massive stages and the winner will be decided up these peaks, their ratings are 9,9,8 for the mountain goats.

The final 7:
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The Vuelta calms down for a bit now, we get 3 stages to get our breath back, before the big push.

Stage 18 is a nasty little hilly stage, expect a top ten rider to miss a split here and lose a minute or so, however this stage is unlikely to cause big splits, I give it a 4.

Stage 19 puts us in the mountains for the final time. Scores will be settled, and don't think that the lack of a summit finish makes this any easier, expect those masters of recovery to control this one, I give it a 5.

Stage 20 is the final challenge and 20km solo is not easy after 3 weeks in the saddle. If the golden jersey is still up for grabs today then expect fireworks I give it a 5.

Now The Teams
The way this works is that I will rate each rider out of ten for Mountains, Hills, Time trials and Sprinting, trying to take into account the other relevant stats and national bonus etc. I then will give an overall score, based on their strengths multiplied by the stage decisiveness giving us a rough ranking system. I have normalised the scores to be out of 100.


Auber
Last nameFirst nameMTHillTTSpOverall
ReusKai268045
MorizotFlorian122016
Mehr-WenigeDietmar060012
JiriakovDimitri11009
HausslerHeinrich01072
TronetSteven00030
ThireJonathon00020
ChedhommeMorgan00010
BonserAdam00000


Auber haven't really brought anyone for the overall, with Reus predicted about 25th place, however they have a solid sprint chain, Haussler will be looking to claim a victory, while Reus will also be aiming for victory in the time trials

Café de Colombia
Last nameFirst nameMTHillTTSpOverall
ValverdeAlejandro9105592
Ardila CanoAlex521040
DeignanPhilip220017
OrozcoEdwin200013
MontoyaDiego Alejandro10007
Rubiano ChavezMiguel Angel10007
SarmientoCayetano10007
ArangoJuan Esteban00040
ReynèsVicente00050

Valverde is Colombia's leader, and what a leader he is, strongest in the hills, he is rated as the second best rider for the overall, although support, which I haven't taken into account may be lacking, expect Valverde to pick up a couple of stage wins with his strong finishing kick

Carmeuse Cyclisme
Last nameFirst nameMTHillTTSpOverall
SuazaJaime603047
Di GregorioRémy410029
RoelandtsJurgen03086
KneiskyMorgan00103
BosTheo00040
WeylandtWouter00060
FennAndrew00000
JacobsPieter00000
CamierJean-François00000

Like Auber, Carmeuse haven't got much more than a sprint chain. That said, Roelants is the best sprinter in the Vuelta, and should Bos ever reach the finish he will presumably challenge.

Domina Vacanze
Last nameFirst nameMTHillTTSpOverall
SchleckAndy1074090
BrajkovicJanez878087
TaberlaySid400027
CalderónDiego200013
Duenas NevadoHector10007
FernandezKoldo00040
SpeirsIsaac00040
Herrero LlorenteDavid00000
FleemanDaniel00000

Schleck may only be ranked third, but the defending champion has in Brajkovic, who is in the top 5 himself, as a team mate. This, combined with the fact he is defending champion, makes Schleck the man to watch, and a sure bet for a couple of stage wins

Energie-Diesel
Last nameFirst nameMTHillTTSpOverall
SolerMauricio550043
Perez CuapioJulio Alberto600040
Colom MasAntonio440035
Rojas VillegasCésar400027
NogaledoJorge200013
ZaballaConstantino060012
EcharriFrancisco Javier00000
CunhaMarco Alexandre Ferreira00000
Rojas GilJosé Joaquin00000

Energie have Soler and Perez Cuapio and will be hoping for a top 20 with both of them, they can't expect much more, than a couple of breakaways and hopefully a stage win

Festina
Last nameFirst nameMTHillTTSpOverall
ContadorAlberto10870100
MadrazoAngel754067
DeesTim446050
MorabitoSteve333033
DeniflStefan340028
SonneryBlaise10067
LavoineAnthony00060
MaksimovRoman00060
VingerlingMichael00060

Here he is, the favourite, Alberto Contador. Yet to impress at a Grand Tour, this may well be his year, a decent team behind him, means he shouldn't be caught out. One danger though, is that he could miss out on all his support as a strong sprint chain may well detract. That said, It will take something special to beat him. Another thing to watch out for is his team mate, who next year will probably be his main rival, friction may well exist.

Jack-Wolfskin
Last nameFirst nameMTHillTTSpOverall
PlazaRubén7610084
Van HuffelWim650050
CornuDominique0510035
ManceboFrancisco500033
RabouThomas10007
DekkersHans00070
KrederMichel00030
SysKlaas00000
PoelsWout00000

An excellent time trial team here, with a real chance of winning all three time trials, Plaza will also be aiming for a solid top ten finish, and with a bit of luck could get a top five.

La Gazzetta dello Sport
Last nameFirst nameMTHillTTSpOverall
De la FuenteDavid560045
VasquezWilmer600040
OsellaMarco410029
SzmydSylwester400027
WielingaRemmert212020
MaistoMassimiliano300020
PossoniMoris200013
VandewalleKristof005013
Rodríguez SegarraRafael00040

After the team for the Giro, here Gazzetta will have to be happy with a top twenty and some breakaways, not much on offer.

Lafarge
Last nameFirst nameMTHillTTSpOverall
TenorioJusto768079
PardillaSergio401029
ThuauxPhillip301022
JeannessonArnold210015
LaidlerAdrian005013
RangelHéctor Hugo10007
Van ZandbeekRonan00103
BretLudovic00103
TaillefourFabien00000

Lead by a Justo Tenorio fresh from his GT debut in the Giro, he'll be looking for a top ten, and according to my system, that might just be within his reach. He doesn't have much support, but there is a decent sprint train here, looking for it's chance to shine

Lipton Ice Tea
Last nameFirst nameMTHillTTSpOverall
ArroyoDavid973081
DanielsonTom655062
StundziaDrasutis014012
ZrimsekJure004210
MatamorosFrancisco10007
RizzaEmanuele00060
RoweMatt00040
Petrie-ArmstrongAdam00000
BourdouxheRemy00000

Arroyo will be looking for a top 5 finish based on his climbing, however I feel that his time trialling will let him down enough that he will have to settle in about 8th, Tom Danielson should lend him some decent support, while Rizza is aiming for podiums in the sprints

Pearl Adidas
Last nameFirst nameMTHillTTSpOverall
RujanoJosé963079
PanayotovPetar640048
KangertTanel254033
RodríguezJackson401229
LevarletGuillaume330026
WalkerWilliam051012
VitoriaDavid02034
LeezerTom02024
MancusoSalvatore00000

Rujano is another whose time trialling will let him down, however a top ten should definitely be on the cards, with better results certainly possible, he has some fairly solid support in the mountains, so expect the team to be aggressive when the gradients rise.

Phillips
Last nameFirst nameMTHillTTSpOverall
LövkvistThomas764069
Rodriguez OliverJoaquin791267
BellottiFrancesco340028
SchreursMaurice050110
FuglsangJakob11009
MourisJens00308
TjallingiiMaarten00103
SerebriakovAleksandr00070
CohnenStefan00000

Between Lovkvist and Rodriguez Oliver Phillips have a very solid team, they are likely to be lacking in the big mountains, however one of them will probably push hard for the top ten, although I fear they may just miss out.

Santander
Last nameFirst nameMTHillTTSpDownhill2
AbalDavid738076
López GarciaDavid750059
VallsRafael420032
GonzaloEduardo310023
GárateJuan Manuel200014
Hernández GutierrezAitor200014
OrtegaDidac200014
GaldosAitor00060
GueraoÓscar00080

Abal will fail probably fail to get a top ten, however solid support from his wild card team makes it a possibility. Guerao is here for the sprints, and he may well make an impression in what is a sprint field lacking in stars

Sony Ericsson
Last nameFirst nameMTHillTTSpOverall
TrofimovYuri7108687
MarzanoMarco760058
PauwelsSerge314032
Fernández OliveiraLuis420031
Öste-MacdonaldMax400027
MeyerCameron00143
JohanssonFredrik00133
BazajevAssan00060
FouquetKevin00000

Trofimov has been in amazing form this year, and although he will lose time in the mountains, aggression in the hills may well pay off and allow him to push for a top 5 spot. A decent sprint chain means that should Trofimov fail it won't be all bad for Sony, expect Bazajev to be leading that charge

Team B&O
Last nameFirst nameMTHillTTSpOverall
HaceckýMartin620044
MestreRicardo520037
KlemmeDomenik360032
JørgensenCasper005013
RasmussenAlex00368
ReckwegMorten00308
VeelersTom00143
VanoverscheldeKobe00060
VinterTroels00050

The sprints are a priority for B&O here,, although a 4 man chain never seems to work out, so there will need to be a clear order of seniority for the strategy to work, As far as the overall goes, a couple of top 20's is all that can be aimed for.

Team Nespresso
Last nameFirst nameMTHillTTSpOverall
KarpetsVladimir879090
DuránMarconi300020
FédrigoPierrick060012
BrocoHernâni00308
MailletJocelin10007
TraficanteRoberto00103
AguilarHéctor Fabian00060
LaySaulo00050
SibillaMichel00000

In Vladimir Karpets Nespresso have a genuine podium candidate and expect most of their support to be thrown behind him, unfortunately there isn't much else as far as climbing goes so I suspect Karpets will fall just short of the big 3.

Team Starbucks-Radioshack
Last nameFirst nameMTHillTTSpOverall
AmadorAndrei768079
JaramilloRemberto500033
TschoppJohann300020
Sibila RomeroPedro10007
CiccareseFabio02004
OspinaCarlos Alberto02004
FreireOscar01072
BacquetFabien00040
CoyotArnaud00000

Amador is another on the cusp of a top ten, and solid support in the mountains may just push him over that barrier. Also here is Oscar Freire, hoping for one more year of glory, and I expect him to grab a stage or two

Vesuvio-Accumalux
Last nameFirst nameMTHillTTSpOverall
IntxaustiBeñat948088
MedvedevDmitri600040
CabreiraJoão400027
KvasinaMatea202018
Rienda SeguraJuan Carlos10007
FaiersThomas10007
HopmanJan00040
SchinkerNico00040
Merino CriadoPedro00020

After a disappointing start to the Giro, Intxausti found his legs towards the end and he will be hoping that form will continue into the Vuelta. A top five is probably his target, and as he is ranked 5th I guess it should be achieved.

Warner Brothers
Last nameFirst nameMTHillTTSpOverall
BarredoCarlos563053
RedondoJosé Antonio400027
Perez FernandezSantiago400027
Castro RodriguezAlexis300020
GallegoDiego210015
FacciMauro02034
ColettaGianluca00030
Van der PluijmMarvin00040
HulsmansKevin00000

Barredo is looking for a top 20, which he should achieve, not much more is going on, I guess a couple of breakaways?

Wikipedia
Last nameFirst nameMTHillTTSpOverall
IvarsSébastien407044
SprickMatthieu402032
BartonChris103014
MaiChristoph200013
BrandtTyler10007
FarrarTyler00173
TimofeevArtjom00050
BroersRemco00000
EeckhoutKevin00000

Again just a top 20 candidate for Wikipedia, They will be more focussed on the sprints, where Farrar will be trying his luck.

Youtube-Twitter
Last nameFirst nameMTHillTTSpDownhill2
PellizottiFranco881074
AntónIgor642055
Ochoa QuinteroRichard540043
NiemiecPrzemyslaw335040
TxurrukaAmets330027
VelitsPeter252029
ThomsonJay10007
PozzoMattia00000
BertogliatiRubens01105

The second wildcard team will also be aiming for a top ten, although with Pellizotti's time trialling ability I fear they may just miss out. A very strong mountain team though, with no room for any sprinters.

On with the show!!
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CrueTrue
Wow - impressive intro. Well done, MB.

I don't really have much to say. I want my team to do well, but I don't have any expectations. On the other hand, I brought Rodriguez and Lövkvist here for a reason, but it's going to be a matter of luck. Perhaps a top 10? Perhaps a mountain jersey if the top 10 thing doesn't work out? A stage win?

There's also Serebriakov who may be able to compete in the sprints.

We'll see how it works out.
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alexkr00
I have a pretty strong team here with Plaza, Van Huffel and Cornu (for the time - trials).

Hopefully we will get a stage win. Also Plaza is aiming for a top 5, even though the sponsor goal is a top 10.
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SotD
I think Rodriguez will easily be the captain over Lövkvist. I hope you are right about Contador being that superior. I don't think he will be much stronger than Valverde and Schleck, but hopefully he can take a little time on Valverde in the mountains, and some in the TT's on Schleck... Then it just might be a huge succes...
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Smowz
Loving the analysis in this introduction, gives an observer all they could wish to know about this years Vuelta.

Valverde, Contador, Schleck ... I really cannot see anything else but those three names for the overall. Though I am not sure these three are as out and out favourites as Sella and Cunego were in the Giro. Intxausti, Trofimov, Plaza and Karpets could well challenge it just depends whether any of them have bad days in those five mountain stages.

Two decent wildcard teams as well, with Abal and Pellizotti no doubt overall top 10 contenders. Santander should go well in the sprints with Guereo, it all depends whether the AI select the right leadout though for these sprinters.

Good luck with the reporting mb!
 
fenian_1234
Quality preview, mb2612. Well done.

Goal for Cafe de Colombia is a Top 3. Didn't think Gomez Marchante quite had it in him so sent Valverde instead.

With the riders here, it's achievable for Valverde - but a long, long way from a certainty.

 
SotD
I don't think Trofimov will have what it takes on those 3-in-a-row tough mountains. He just might lose 7 minutes or so on those stages...

There is a huuge difference between 83+spanish bonus and 78 mountain. There should be atleast.

My bet for a top 10 is something like this:

1. Alberto Contador (I have to write this eventhough I don't like to do so)
2. Andy Schleck
3. Alejandro Valverde
4. Vladimir Karpets
5. Beñat Intxausti
6. Ruben Plaza
7. Yuri Trofimov
8. David Arroyo
9. José Rujano
10. Joaquin Rodriguez Oliver

With riders such as Janez Brajkovic, Justo Tenorio, David Abal, Franco Pellizotti and Andrei Amador battleing for the places just outside the Top 10...
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Heine
You seem to forget the secret "Riding for a swedish team" bonus Wink
 
SotD
Heine wrote:
You seem to forget the secret "Riding for a swedish team" bonus Wink


That's only existing in the CT I believe Smile
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SportingNonsense
SotD wrote:
Heine wrote:
You seem to forget the secret "Riding for a swedish team" bonus Wink


That's only existing in the CT I believe Smile


You seem to be forgetting Sony Ericsson's massive lead Pfft
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SotD
SportingNonsense wrote:
SotD wrote:
Heine wrote:
You seem to forget the secret "Riding for a swedish team" bonus Wink


That's only existing in the CT I believe Smile


You seem to be forgetting Sony Ericsson's massive lead Pfft


Ahh yes :-P I assume that is classified as luck in the PT then Pfft
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mattiasgt
I'm deeply offended! The reason is massive preperation, with loads of swedish meatballs. Pfft
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Gustavovskiy
Go and get'em boys. Stage wins, that's all I care about
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Heine
mattiasgt wrote:
I'm deeply offended! The reason is massive preperation, with loads of swedish meatballs. Pfft


For some reason I start to belive that there might be something funny in those meatballs...
 
CrueTrue
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Heine
and you gotta pee in the middle?

Sorry, enough spam from me now :-p
 
fenian_1234
Fair start from Alejandro.
 
alexkr00
oh, com'on! The short tts are always hard to predict though Frown
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And here we go Smile
 
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SotD
Good start from Contador... 7th is a bit better than what I expected. No danger in letting Vesuvio getting some points. Much better than Auber winning the TT and taking loads of points from the leaders jersey...

Also good start from Tim Dees and Angel Madrazo... Will be interesting to see my sprint train fail in yet another GT Smile
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