Liquigas - Going to the extreme
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Posted on 25-11-2009 18:21
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I've purchased PCM 2009 last week and wanted to try if I could make time to start a new story and get further then 2 pages. This will be my first career in PCM 2009 and my first career on extreme difficulty level.
I've a full time job and because I'm writing this in my spare time and I don't know how fast this story is going to progress. It always takes me a lot of time to write the text (and even then I still make a lot of errors), therefore I'm going to focus on the race reports and minimize the amount of text.
Most of the careers I've started in PCM 07 and PCM 08 are with continental teams, but this time I wanted to try a ProTour team. After looking at which ProTour teams I would like to play with and which stories are around on this site, my choice is to play a career with Liquigas. A strong team and their aren't many stories about them (apart from Guido Mukk's excellent PCM 08 story).
I've already done some work, so let's start with a little intro.
edit: I forgot to tell that I'm playing with the PCM.daily's 2009 DB with slightly altered stats for a few riders.
Edited by snoep_de_hond on 25-11-2009 23:20
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Posted on 25-11-2009 18:29
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Good luck, I look forward to reading this story |
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Posted on 25-11-2009 18:32
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Looking forward to this, hope it lasts as long an that it`ll be as good as your Konica Minolta story
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Posted on 25-11-2009 18:33
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LIQUIGAS - going to the extreme
Liquigas have a squad built around experienced riders and up and coming talents, making them one of the strongest squads in the bunch. Their results from 2008 back this up with a total of thirty wins spread throughout the season. On paper they look to have even more firepower for 2009 with the signing of Ivan Basso, returning from his two year suspension, and Sylvester Szmyd coming from Lampre.
Basso will be a key focal point in the major races. He’ll draw support from Franco Pellizotti. In the Tour the team will look to Roman Kreuziger and Vincenzo Nibali to represent the team, while Daniele Bennati aims to be Cavendish’s main sprint rival.
Here is our entire lime green cycling team:
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snoep_de_hond |
Posted on 25-11-2009 19:13
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You'll probably know them already, before the team starts their season with the Tour de San Luis and the Tour Down Under I first want to introduce Liquigas' key riders.
[img-l]https://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx136/snoep_fruitstengel/LIQ/Squad_Pellizotti.jpg[/img-l]Franco PELLIZOTTI (ITA)
Status
Absolute leader
Specialization
Climber
Date of birth
15.01.1978
Birthplace
Latisana (UD)
Professional since
2001
Height
175cm
Weight
62kg
Main Goals 2009
Giro d'Italia
Tour de France
[img-l]https://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx136/snoep_fruitstengel/LIQ/Squad_Basso.jpg[/img-l]Ivan BASSO (ITA)
Status
Absolute leader
Specialization
Stage Races
Date of birth
26.11.1977
Birthplace
Gallarate (VA)
Professional since
1999
Height
183cm
Weight
70kg
Main Goals 2009
Giro d'Italia
Vuelta a España
[img-l]https://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx136/snoep_fruitstengel/LIQ/Squad_Nibali.jpg[/img-l]Vincenzo NIBALI (ITA)
Status
Absolute leader
Specialization
Stage Races
Date of birth
14.11.1984
Birthplace
Messina
Professional since
2005
Height
180cm
Weight
64kg
Main Goals 2009
Tirreno-Adriatico
Tour de France
[img-l]https://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx136/snoep_fruitstengel/LIQ/Squad_Bennati.jpg[/img-l]Daniele BENNATI (ITA)
Status
Protected rider
Specialization
Sprinter
Date of birth
24.09.1980
Birthplace
Arezzo (AR)
Professional since
2002
Height
183,5cm
Weight
75kg
Main Goals 2009
Milano-Sanremo
Tour de France
[img-l]https://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx136/snoep_fruitstengel/LIQ/Squad_Kreuziger.jpg[/img-l]Roman Kreuziger (CZE)
Status
Protected rider
Specialization
Stage Races
Date of birth
06.05.1986
Birthplace
Moravská Trebová (CZE)
Professional since
2006
Height
183cm
Weight
66kg
Main Goals 2009
Paris - Nice
Tour de France
[img-l]https://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx136/snoep_fruitstengel/LIQ/Squad_Quinziato.jpg[/img-l]Manuel QUINZIATO (ITA)
Status
Protected rider
Specialization
Northern Classics
Date of birth
30.10.1979
Birthplace
Bolzano
Professional since
2002
Height
185cm
Weight
76kg
Main Goals 2009
Ronde van Vlaanderen
Paris - Roubaix
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snoep_de_hond |
Posted on 25-11-2009 19:56
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As an Italian team Liquigas' season goals are mainly the Italian ProTour races and of course the Tour de France.
The last sponsor and the last goal will be announced later on.
Edited by snoep_de_hond on 25-11-2009 19:57
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Posted on 25-11-2009 22:44
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What? Nibali is better then Kreuziger in mountain?
When Nothing goes rigth, go left...
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Posted on 25-11-2009 23:17
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19-01-2009: Tour de San Luis
Riders:
Alessandro Vanotti
Brian Vandborg
Ivan Basso
Kjell Carlström
Murilo Fischer
Vincenzo Nibali
Expectations:
Not very high, it's still very early in the season, however Liquigas is the only ProTour team in the race so I'm hoping to see some close finishes.
Stage 1:
San Luis - Villa Mercedes: (169.0km)
A lot of riders were very happy to be racing again and the results was that during the first half of the race it kept raining attacks. This resulted in a breakaway of 21 riders. Liquigas was represented by Vanotti, who picks up a few bonus seconds along the way.
There was not much interest to chaise the break and for some time it looked like the break would make it, but with 40km to go a few teams combined forces and started pulling back time fast. Nonetheless with 20km to go the difference was still more then 2 minutes.
With 10km to go the break smelted the victory and attacks followed. It was Aníbal Borrajo from Colavita who managed to leave the rest of the break behind.
With 3 km to go the peleton had reeled back every rider except Borrajo, who had a comfortable looking lead.
But in the last km Borrajo had trouble keeping his pace and the sprinting peleton was closing in fast.
Borrajo just managed to get his front wheel over the finish line first. Martin Pedersen and Fisher came very close, but had to settle for 2nd and 3rd.
Winner:
Results:
1. | Aníbal Borrajo | Colavita / Sutter Home | 3h56'19 | 2. | Martin Pedersen | Team Capinordic | s.t. | 3. | Murilo Fischer | Liquigas | s.t. | 4. | Aldo Ino Ilesic | Team Type 1 | s.t. | 5. | René Obst | Team Nutrixxion Sparkasse | s.t. | 6. | Ángel Vicioso | Andalucía Cajasur | s.t. | 7. | Esteban Plaza | Andalucía Cajasur | s.t. | 8. | Stéphane Bonsergent | Bretagne - Schuller | s.t. | 9. | Jesse Anthony | Team Type 1 | s.t. | 10. | Chad Gerlach | Amore & Vita - McDonald's | s.t. | ... | 15. | Kjell Carlström | Liquigas | s.t. | 26. | Ivan Basso | Liquigas | s.t. | 48. | Vincenzo Nibali | Liquigas | s.t. | 60. | Alessandro Vanotti | Liquigas | s.t. | 96. | Brian Vandborg | Liquigas | + 2'40 |
GC:
1. | Aníbal Borrajo | Colavita / Sutter Home | 3h56'06 | 2. | Martin Pedersen | Team Capinordic | + 7 | 3. | Murilo Fischer | Liquigas | + 9 | 4. | Alessandro Vanotti | Liquigas | + 10 | 5. | David Tanner | Rock Racing | s.t. | 6. | Michael Kristensen | Team Designa Køkken | + 11 | 7. | Aldo Ino Ilesic | Team Type 1 | + 13 | 8. | René Obst | Team Nutrixxion Sparkasse | s.t. | 9. | Ángel Vicioso | Andalucía Cajasur | s.t. | 10. | Esteban Plaza | Andalucía Cajasur | s.t. |
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snoep_de_hond |
Posted on 25-11-2009 23:48
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ursul wrote:
What? Nibali is better then Kreuziger in mountain?
I did slightly change the stats of a few riders, but not Nibali and Kreuziger their mountain stats. So these stats come from the PCM.daily's 2009 DB. However Nibali did display slightly better climbing skills this season then Kreuziger. For instance in the Tour Nibali could stay longer with Contador and Andy Schleck. |
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Posted on 26-11-2009 09:38
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I think Kreuziger is often little bit underrated as the winner of Romandie this season and Suisse Tour last year and one of the best youngsters in Tour in last years
And he almost beat Contador and Andy on Ventoux
But this is not your problem,so good luck in your career
Go Roman!
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Posted on 26-11-2009 09:54
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Yeah! Another italian story! Good luck! Make Pellizzo do his best in Giro and Tour!
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chrica04 |
Posted on 26-11-2009 16:33
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I want more updates |
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Posted on 26-11-2009 20:44
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20-01-2009: Tour Down Under
Riders:
Aleksandr Kuschynski
Andrea Noè
Claudio Corioni
Francesco Chicchi
Frederik Willems
Jacopo Guarnieri
Maciej Bodnar
Expectations:
With Guarnieri, Corioni and especially Chicchi, Liquigas has a couple of fast man at the start of this first ProTour race of the season, but this is not the ProTour race were Liquigas wants to score.
Stage 1:
Norwood - Mawson Lakes: (140.0km)
The breakaway of the day, consisting of Pedro Horrillo (RAB), Valeriy Dmitriyev (AST), Nicolas Jalabert (AGr) and Servais Knaven (MRM), manage to create gap of 7 minutes with the peleton.
However Quickstep, for tom Boonen, and Vacansoleil, for Baden Cooke, start working well in time and bring everything back together more then 20km before the finish line.
It's Quickstep that gets rewarded for their work. Boonen beats Breschel (SAX) and Arashiro (BBT) and he is this season first ProTour leader.
Liquigas didn't manage to keep Chicci fresh due to the relative hilly terrain. The best Liquigas rider today is Corioni with a 13th place. Chicci finishes 17th.
Stage winner:
Results:
1. | Tom Boonen | Quick·Step | 3h33'58 | 2. | Matti Breschel | Team Saxo Bank | s.t. | 3. | Yukiya Arashiro | Bbox Bouygues Télécom | s.t. | 4. | Mirco Lorenzetto | Lampre - N.G.C | s.t. | 5. | Koldo Fernández | Euskaltel - Euskadi | s.t. | 6. | Baden Cooke | Vacansoleil Pro Cycling Team | s.t. | 7. | Anthony Geslin | Française des Jeux | s.t. | 8. | Gert Steegmans | Team Katusha | s.t. | 9. | Jürgen Roelandts | Silence - Lotto | s.t. | 10. | José Joaquín Rojas | Caisse d'Epargne | s.t. | 11. | Mark Renshaw | Team Columbia - HTC | s.t. | 12. | Roger Hammond | Cervélo Test Team | s.t. | 13. | Claudio Corioni | Liquigas | s.t. | 14. | Juan Antonio Flecha | Rabobank | s.t. | 15. | Stijn Devolder | Quick·Step | s.t. | 16. | Mikhail Ignatiev | Team Katusha | s.t. | 17. | Jeremy Hunt | Cervélo Test Team | s.t. | 18. | Francesco Chicchi | Liquigas | s.t. | 19. | Matteo Tosatto | Quick·Step | s.t. | 20. | Frederik Willems | Liquigas | s.t. | ... | 53. | Aleksandr Kuschynski | Liquigas | s.t. | 55. | Andrea Noè | Liquigas | s.t. | 153. | Jacopo Guarnieri | Liquigas | + 2'27 | 161. | Maciej Bodnar | Liquigas | + 6'49 |
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Posted on 26-11-2009 22:16
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You have a cool lay-out, and a nice reporting style... I'm looking forward to this - good luck |
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Posted on 26-11-2009 23:23
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20-01-2009: Tour de San Luis
Stage 2:
San Luis - Mirador El Potrero: (145.2km)
The 3 breakaway riders of the day were Gaël Malacarne (BSC), Jeremy Venell (BPC) and Neil Shirley (KBS).
All the teams were afraid of Basso and Nibali and not willing to chase down the break. So when the gap had grown to 9 minutes with only 70 km left, Liquigas sent Carlström, Fisher and Vanborg to the front of the peleton.
When the peleton reached the bottom of the 15km long climb to the finish the gap was less then 4 minutes. Vanotti set the pace up the climb and for 5km he gave everything he had left.
Then it was time for Basso to do the rest by himself. He put in a furious attack. Ángel Vicioso (ACA) tried to bridge the gap with Nibali on his wheel.
4km from the top Basso reached the break and didn't waste much time leaving them behind.
3km to go, Basso is still in the lead. Vicioso is 45 seconds behind him with Venell, the last of the breakaway riders, barely hanging on. Nibali is 4th and is slowly losing terrain on Vicioso.
Basso reached the last km, he had extended his lead on Vicioso to 1 minute and Basso's and Liquigas' first victory of the season looks in the bag.
Basso is todays winner. His first victory after his suspension. He shows he will be force to be reckon with this season.
Nibali was struggling the last few km, but manages to hang on to 6th place.
Stage winner:
Results:
1. | Ivan Basso | Liquigas | 3h54'28 | 2. | Ángel Vicioso | Andalucía Cajasur | + 1'06 | 3. | Manuel Vázquez | Contentpolis - Ampo | + 1'40 | 4. | Dimitri Champion | Bretagne - Schuller | + 1'50 | 5. | Cândido Barbosa | Palmeiras Resort / Prio | s.t. | 6. | Vincenzo Nibali | Liquigas | + 2'15 | 7. | Óscar Sevilla | Rock Racing | + 2'21 | 8. | Scott Zwizanski | Kelly Benefit Strategies | + 2'44 | 9. | Dario David Cioni | ISD - Neri | + 2'51 | 10. | Jeremy Venell | Bissell Pro Cycling | + 3'33 | ... | 23. | Alessandro Vanotti | Liquigas | + 4'23 | 52. | Kjell Carlström | Liquigas | + 5'56 | 76. | Brian Vandborg | Liquigas | + 7'50 | 103. | Murilo Fischer | Liquigas | + 8'00 |
GC:
1. | Ivan Basso | Liquigas | 7h50'37 | 2. | Ángel Vicioso | Andalucía Cajasur | + 1'10 | 3. | Manuel Vázquez | Contentpolis - Ampo | + 1'46 | 4. | Cândido Barbosa | Palmeiras Resort / Prio | + 2'00 | 5. | Dimitri Champion | Bretagne - Schuller | s.t. | 6. | Vincenzo Nibali | Liquigas | + 2'25 | 7. | Óscar Sevilla | Rock Racing | + 2'31 | 8. | Scott Zwizanski | Kelly Benefit Strategies | + 2'54 | 9. | Dario David Cioni | ISD - Neri | + 3'01 | 10. | Andriy Grivko | ISD - Neri | + 3'50 | ... | 20. | Alessandro Vanotti | Liquigas | + 4'30 | 42. | Kjell Carlström | Liquigas | + 6'06 | 72. | Murilo Fischer | Liquigas | + 8'06 | 107. | Brian Vandborg | Liquigas | + 10'40 |
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Posted on 26-11-2009 23:32
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chrica04 wrote:
I want more updates
As I said in the first post, I've a full time job, therefore the updating will not be very fast. For now I'm trying to post 2 races a day.
Thrige wrote:
You have a cool lay-out, and a nice reporting style... I'm looking forward to this - good luck
Thanks, the effort I put in the layout costs me little bit extra time, so it's nice it's appreciated. |
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Posted on 26-11-2009 23:51
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snoep_de_hond wrote:
chrica04 wrote:
I want more updates
As I said in the first post, I've a full time job, therefore the updating will not be very fast. For now I'm trying to post 2 races a day.
if you could manage even just one race a day that would be awesome.
nice start and good luck with the rest of the season
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Posted on 27-11-2009 01:12
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Yes, I was mostly being sarcastic. Great reporting! |
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hellboy wrote:
I think Kreuziger is often little bit underrated as the winner of Romandie this season and Suisse Tour last year and one of the best youngsters in Tour in last years
And he almost beat Contador and Andy on Ventoux
But this is not your problem,so good luck in your career
I think the reason is that you're just listed pretty much his career achievements to date. At Liqui he is limited as to how much he's able to be a leader. Either needs others to step aside, or move to become a leader elsewhere. |
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Posted on 27-11-2009 18:49
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21-01-2009: Tour Down Under
Stage 2:
Hahndorf - Stirling: (148.0km)
After the first couple of attacks a group of 7 breakaway riders has formed with amongst them Noè, Marzoli (ASA) and García Acosta (GCE). However surprisingly Canellara wants to show his power on a short climb with more then 100km to go and sprints past the break, taking the bunch with him and ending the break.
It gets even weirder when after the second sprint Boonen decides to go and breakaway. He gets a couple a minutes and is only reeled in 30km before the finish line.
Because of the fast pace, the difficult terrain, several of crashes and an uphill finish about half of the peleton lost more then a minute on the stage winner. Among the casualties were a lot of sprinters like; Francesco Chicchi, Mark Renshaw (THR), Jürgen Roelandts (SIL), José Joaquín Rojas (GCE), Greg Van Avermaet (SIL), Sébastien Chavanel (FDJ), Roger Hammond (CTT) and Gert Steegmans (KAT).
When the peleton reached the uphill section to the finish Liquigas still had 3 riders present. Besides Kuschynski and Noè it was especially Frederik Willems who gave a strong impressions.
Last km and we have 5 riders who are fighting for the stage win: Trofimov (BBO), Flecha (RAB), Bertolini (SDA), Roche (ALM) and Pierrick Fédrigo (BBO). Because of a lake of sprinting power, Willems has fallen back to the third row.
Willems finishes in 15th place and gets the same time as stage winner Juan Antonio Flecha. This is not the case for Kuschynski and Noè, because of a gap between the 34th and 35th rider in the peleton they loose 47 seconds.
Stage winner:
Results:
1. | Juan Antonio Flecha | Rabobank | 3h55'27 | 2. | Pierrick Fédrigo | Bbox Bouygues Télécom | s.t. | 3. | Nick Nuyens | Rabobank | s.t. | 4. | Nicolas Roche | AG2R La Mondiale | s.t. | 5. | Matti Breschel | Team Saxo Bank | s.t. | 6. | Fabian Cancellara | Team Saxo Bank | s.t. | 7. | Alessandro Ballan | Lampre - N.G.C | s.t. | 8. | Yury Trofimov | Bbox Bouygues Télécom | s.t. | 9. | Alessandro Bertolini | Serramenti PVC Diquigiovanni | s.t. | 10. | Stijn Devolder | Quick·Step | s.t. | 11. | Johnny Hoogerland | Vacansoleil Pro Cycling Team | s.t. | 12. | Gerben Löwik | Vacansoleil Pro Cycling Team | s.t. | 13. | Yukiya Arashiro | Bbox Bouygues Télécom | s.t. | 14. | Mirco Lorenzetto | Lampre - N.G.C | s.t. | 15. | Frederik Willems | Liquigas | s.t. | 16. | Michele Scarponi | Serramenti PVC Diquigiovanni | s.t. | 17. | Enrico Gasparotto | Lampre - N.G.C | s.t. | 18. | Björn Leukemans | Vacansoleil Pro Cycling Team | s.t. | 19. | Thomas Voeckler | Bbox Bouygues Télécom | s.t. | 20. | Ruggero Marzoli | Acqua & Sapone | s.t. | ... | 54. | Aleksandr Kuschynski | Liquigas | + 47 | 64. | Andrea Noè | Liquigas | s.t. | 150. | Francesco Chicchi | Liquigas | + 7'31 | 151. | Claudio Corioni | Liquigas | + 7'55 | 158. | Maciej Bodnar | Liquigas | + 11'47 | 161. | Jacopo Guarnieri | Liquigas | + 15'39 |
GC:
1. | Tom Boonen | Quick·Step | 7h29'14 | 2. | Juan Antonio Flecha | Rabobank | + 1 | 3. | Matti Breschel | Team Saxo Bank | + 5 | 4. | Pierrick Fédrigo | Bbox Bouygues Télécom | s.t. | 5. | Yukiya Arashiro | Bbox Bouygues Télécom | + 7 | 6. | Nick Nuyens | Rabobank | s.t. | 7. | Fabian Cancellara | Team Saxo Bank | + 8 | 8. | Mirco Lorenzetto | Lampre - N.G.C | + 11 | 9. | Stijn Devolder | Quick·Step | s.t. | 10. | Frederik Willems | Liquigas | s.t. | 11. | Mikhail Ignatiev | Team Katusha | s.t. | 12. | Björn Leukemans | Vacansoleil Pro Cycling Team | s.t. | 13. | Frantisek Rabon | Team Columbia - HTC | s.t. | 14. | Gerben Löwik | Vacansoleil Pro Cycling Team | s.t. | 15. | Alessandro Ballan | Lampre - N.G.C | s.t. | 16. | Johnny Hoogerland | Vacansoleil Pro Cycling Team | s.t. | 17. | Yury Trofimov | Bbox Bouygues Télécom | s.t. | 18. | Thomas Voeckler | Bbox Bouygues Télécom | s.t. | 19. | Nicolas Roche | AG2R La Mondiale | s.t. | 20. | Pablo Lastras | Caisse d'Epargne | s.t. | ... | 56. | Aleksandr Kuschynski | Liquigas | + 58 | 58. | Andrea Noè | Liquigas | s.t. | 150. | Francesco Chicchi | Liquigas | + 7'42 | 151. | Claudio Corioni | Liquigas | + 8'06 | 160. | Jacopo Guarnieri | Liquigas | + 18'17 | 161. | Maciej Bodnar | Liquigas | + 18'47 |
Edited by snoep_de_hond on 04-12-2009 11:52
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