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Tour de France 11 Stage 14: Saint-Gaudens > Plateau de Beille 168.5km
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 16-07-2011 17:26
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Roman wrote:
And sorry to say that, but Vanendert looked for me a little bit weird. He won for the first time in his life and.. He almost didn't express any delight from his win.. It looks for me quite like he already counted with his win even before this stage started.. And when I look on his results from the past, it looks quite weird for me that he is one of the best climbers of this year's TdF.. Surely he was that big talent before 3 years or so? 
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| BouBBox |
Posted on 16-07-2011 17:26
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William Bonnet out of time limits. It's the only rider DQ today, I'm a bit suprised...
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| BouBBox |
Posted on 16-07-2011 17:29
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kumazan wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
kumazan wrote:
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And an interresting fact : Voeckler climbed the Plateau de Beille only 30 seconds faster than in 2004 where he kept the yellow jersey.
Where did you get that? I read elsewhere that it was 3'20'' faster, but I don't know if that was actually reliable.
30" sounds more likely, given how stop start it was
Yeah, it kinda shocked me when I read it. We'll know soon anyway.
I've got confimation from two other guys (on the eurosport comment section), saying there was an after-Tour movie showing it on french tv. 
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| kumazan |
Posted on 16-07-2011 17:31
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BouBBox wrote:
kumazan wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
kumazan wrote:
BouBBox wrote:
And an interresting fact : Voeckler climbed the Plateau de Beille only 30 seconds faster than in 2004 where he kept the yellow jersey.
Where did you get that? I read elsewhere that it was 3'20'' faster, but I don't know if that was actually reliable.
30" sounds more likely, given how stop start it was
Yeah, it kinda shocked me when I read it. We'll know soon anyway.
I've got confimation from two other guys (on the eurosport comment section), saying there was an after-Tour movie showing it on french tv.
Ok then. That's very, very good to know.
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 16-07-2011 17:32
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Roman wrote:
And sorry to say that, but Vanendert looked for me a little bit weird. He won for the first time in his life and.. He almost didn't express any delight from his win.. It looks for me quite like he already counted with his win even before this stage started.. And when I look on his results from the past, it looks quite weird for me that he is one of the best climbers of this year's TdF.. Surely he was that big talent before 3 years or so?
Ey? What he was supposed to do get naked and jump around?
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| kumazan |
Posted on 16-07-2011 17:38
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
kumazan wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
kumazan wrote:
BouBBox wrote:
And an interresting fact : Voeckler climbed the Plateau de Beille only 30 seconds faster than in 2004 where he kept the yellow jersey.
Where did you get that? I read elsewhere that it was 3'20'' faster, but I don't know if that was actually reliable.
30" sounds more likely, given how stop start it was
Yeah, it kinda shocked me when I read it. We'll know soon anyway.
Ey? What he was supposed to do get naked and jump around?
Wut?
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 16-07-2011 17:39
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@kumazan edited wrong quote lol
i'm such an idiot lol
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Posted on 16-07-2011 17:39
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EDIT : nvm ^^
Edited by BouBBox on 16-07-2011 17:40
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 16-07-2011 17:44
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Roman wrote:
And sorry to say that, but Vanendert looked for me a little bit weird. He won for the first time in his life and.. He almost didn't express any delight from his win.. It looks for me quite like he already counted with his win even before this stage started.. And when I look on his results from the past, it looks quite weird for me that he is one of the best climbers of this year's TdF.. Surely he was that big talent before 3 years or so?
injuries. Massive amount for injuries. I believe its his first year without an injury.
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| ponka00 |
Posted on 16-07-2011 17:50
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Stijn_vranken wrote:
Roman wrote:
And sorry to say that, but Vanendert looked for me a little bit weird. He won for the first time in his life and.. He almost didn't express any delight from his win.. It looks for me quite like he already counted with his win even before this stage started.. And when I look on his results from the past, it looks quite weird for me that he is one of the best climbers of this year's TdF.. Surely he was that big talent before 3 years or so?
injuries. Massive amount for injuries. I believe its his first year without an injury.
Not really important, but didn't he struggle this season with a bad knee in pre-season camp forcing him to train for himself rather than with the rest of the team?
He has been a LOT injured and sick, it's great to finally see him perform, but I never guessed he would do this well in grand tour mountain stages.
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| jokovic |
Posted on 16-07-2011 17:57
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ponka00 wrote:
Stijn_vranken wrote:
Roman wrote:
And sorry to say that, but Vanendert looked for me a little bit weird. He won for the first time in his life and.. He almost didn't express any delight from his win.. It looks for me quite like he already counted with his win even before this stage started.. And when I look on his results from the past, it looks quite weird for me that he is one of the best climbers of this year's TdF.. Surely he was that big talent before 3 years or so?
injuries. Massive amount for injuries. I believe its his first year without an injury.
Not really important, but didn't he struggle this season with a bad knee in pre-season camp forcing him to train for himself rather than with the rest of the team?
He has been a LOT injured and sick, it's great to finally see him perform, but I never guessed he would do this well in grand tour mountain stages.
indeed lots of injurys also this year he was good in the hilly classics and cuz a guy doenst celebrate like he wonned the euromillions means he is doped ? yeah sure lets ban half of the peleton
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| ember |
Posted on 16-07-2011 18:19
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I missed the the ending of the stage due to own racing, but what is going on? There's only one thing to say; Allez Thomas!
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 16-07-2011 18:20
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Pyrenees over..quite disappointment
I hope Alps jubilee year..will give us some nice riding and real fight
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 16-07-2011 18:35
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I just read the live ticker and all the comments here (was out for a running competition after the Agnès start).
If Voeckler was only 30" faster than in 2004, that's excellent news.
As I was saying to a former cycling mate of mine this morning, there are a couple of factors explaining the current situation :
1) G.C. main contenders ride like pussies. Bar an injured Contador, Basso is the only one who ever won a G.T. others don't have the guts to act as favourites. So they do little attacks, get caught, and let Voeckler (or his team) do the pace. That pace will never be too high, so that Voeckler doesn't blow. And Voeckler, as a puncher, is the man to deal well with short attacks. Would Basso start riding like Ullrich or Armstrong, full pace from the bottom (with his team mates first), Voeckler would totally blow. But they don't have the guts to do it. Idiots, there's little dragging effect in the mountains, so that's not such a bold tactic.
2) They're all happy to let Europcar do the job for a couple more days. It's not like Voeckler has a 10 minutes lead over the other leaders.
3) Voeckler is probably in the form of his life. Usually riders/sportsmen peak at that age.
4) UCI/WADA sort of liberalised the use of corticoids. Apparently the French peloton found some ressource in those. I don't know specifically about Voeckler or Europcar, but the general scheme is that the French are back on the corticoids. I don't like that. But that reduces the differences with some other countries.
5) The "No Needle Policy", though it can't really be checked, probably affects the needle-friendly riders, reducing their performances to something more credible.
6) I'm really looking forward to reading a wattage calculation analyse to see if riders are faster or slower than usual, or if it's just my perception of things.
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7) It also seem that French teams have generalised the use of cryotherapy and stuff like that for faster recovery. I suppose most teams do it, but maybe not al of them, which probably gives them a slight advantage over those that don't do it.
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 16-07-2011 18:44
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Aquarius wrote:
If Voeckler was only 30" faster than in 2004, that's excellent news.
I think that's wrong, just under 47 minutes is what I've seen from the main group, 2 and a half minutes slower than Contador in 2007
Which is 3'30" quicker.
Seems like feasible progression, he is a much stronger rider than 2004.
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| Gustavovskiy |
Posted on 16-07-2011 18:46
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Guido Mukk wrote:
Pyrenees over..quite disappointment
I hope Alps jubilee year..will give us some nice riding and real fight
Are you serious? I kinda consider these last few stages have made the Tour more interesting than any edition in the last decade (unless maybe the Sastre year)
I mean, I look at the top10 and I think I couldn't have imagined a more open GC than what we have now!
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 16-07-2011 18:47
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On L'Equipe.fr I read that he claimed he wouldn't have been able to follow Armstrong and Basso in 2004, with today's legs.
It's probably true, although one should always be wary of propaganda... |
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 16-07-2011 18:49
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Aquarius wrote:
On L'Equipe.fr I read that he claimed he wouldn't have been able to follow Armstrong and Basso in 2004, with today's legs.
It's probably true, although one should always be wary of propaganda...
Well that's still another 90 seconds quicker
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Posted on 16-07-2011 18:49
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Gustavovskiy wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
Pyrenees over..quite disappointment
I hope Alps jubilee year..will give us some nice riding and real fight
Are you serious? I kinda consider these last few stages have made the Tour more interesting than any edition in the last decade (unless maybe the Sastre year)
I mean, I look at the top10 and I think I couldn't have imagined a more open GC than what we have now!
The GC is pretty close, but the price we had to pay (2 weeks of nothing happening) is too high.
We could as well make the Tour one week long so with one week to the finish you'd have 198 riders in 0 seconds.
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| siwi |
Posted on 16-07-2011 18:50
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Gustavovskiy wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
Pyrenees over..quite disappointment
I hope Alps jubilee year..will give us some nice riding and real fight
Are you serious? I kinda consider these last few stages have made the Tour more interesting than any edition in the last decade (unless maybe the Sastre year)
I mean, I look at the top10 and I think I couldn't have imagined a more open GC than what we have now!
Its open because the favorits are damn boring. Yes, its very open, thats nice, but also very boring and disappointing imo. Thats not nice.
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