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New OVL Calculation for 2025 season
Fabianski
It is a known feature of the current OVL formula that it rates puncheurs with good res/acc very high, and Nys is by no means an extreme example of this.
Nys also starts with 1.15 XP to still allow him to reach level 3. But given that the planner deadline was last Wednesday, I suppose you somehow managed to plan him correctly anyway?
 
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jandal7
Blasing wrote:
My lvl 1 rider Thibau Nys only has 69 racedays for PCT because he is 73,08 overall, despite only having 2 single stat being slightly higher than his ovl

Man that must be tough Sad
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Ezeefreak
jandal7 wrote:
Man that must be tough Sad


Yeah, it must be really hard to have on of the best talents in the game with already great stats from the start. When even the Starting Level and XP was adjusted to make it possible to level him also from 1 to 3 in a year.

VERY HARD indeed, Such a nightmare for him. :lol:

(sorry Jandal Pfft )

On a more serious note Pfft
It was made sure that the normal leveling behaviour was possible for him and like stated before he doesnt seem to be one of those who are "suffering" a lot with the current OVL
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Good idea, roturn. Thanks
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roturn
A first closer check to the new OVL idea.

It`s not yet perfect and neither it is final yet.
There are clearly a few riders with the new formulas, I am not yet happy with seeing the OVL change vs. performance.

But it got rid of any jumps and is making the OVL a lot more simple while for most riders and teams it pretty much remains very similar.
Some rider types obviously go up a bit more than others, others will go down a bit more.

Feel free to check and if you find things far off, mention them. But please don`t make this thread something like why does rider xyz go up 0,1 OVL or something, which is close to 0. And before making those posts also check for similar riders, if they might have a similar change, so that the overall picture remains same.

In case you already downloaded the file, do so again starting now.
Then you can also play around with the macros.
Both OVL full and OVL Selected will update the old and new OVL in coloumns 29 and 30.

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Edited by roturn on 19-11-2024 09:39
 
knockout
On a first quick glance: Third tier sprinters (77-78 SP guys) raise quite a bit higher than i would ever expect.

Average increases of some subgroups with some quick filters:

All 77-78 SP: + 0,74
All 77-78 SP & 73+ OVR (to filter out some declining dead weight): + 0,70
All 77-78 SP & 73+ OVR & no 75+ HI / 75+CB (to filter out dual threats): 0,75

This is a type of rider that seemed to have gone below their renewals wages in FA already fairly often before raising their OVR further. One subgroup is particularly hit by the new formulas:

Sprinters with a little bit of cb skills:
All 77-78 SP & 73+ OVR & 70-74 CB: +0,96

Nommela, Hesters, Nihal Silva, Max Losch, Jay Major, Lahcen Saber, etc. I seem to remember a lot of these from the most recent renewals releases already.

If i look slightly below that range for the same type of rider:
All 76 SP & 73+ OVR & 70-72 CB: +1,05

That group is only 5 riders with: Karl Lauk, Mihkel Raim, Marten Kooistra, Marc Sarreau, Luke Rowe but they all look like 50k riders to me instead of 100k riders like they might become with the test OVR. Resulting in being eternal releases every year in all likelyhood. But in combination with the above group of slightly better sprinters point to an area where improvements seem possible.
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knockout
Also there is an average OVR increase of +0,27 across all contracted riders.
Every single team gains more OVR than they lose.
The percentages of contracted riders with an OVR of 74+ rises from 44,9% to 53,2%.

So these changes lead to a bit of an OVR inflation where every team has less cap space left after renewals than previously where i would rather keep the average OVR similar to the current situation.
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roturn
knockout wrote:

Also there is an average OVR increase of +0,27 across all contracted riders.
Every single team gains more OVR than they lose.
The percentages of contracted riders with an OVR of 74+ rises from 44,9% to 53,2%.

So these changes lead to a bit of an OVR inflation where every team has less cap space left after renewals than previously where i would rather keep the average OVR similar to the current situation.

This is easy to update and planned to do so anyway whenever I am as happy as possible with everything else.

So basically have the new OVL being reduced for each rider by ~0,27 without new jumps or fix minus.
 
Ulrich Ulriksen
I have been playing with this on and off and I think it looks really good. Most time when I found an anomaly I liked the new value better.

The one thing I did note is that it feels like the top cobblers and the top TTers are underrated versus the rest. Really this is just at the top end, the gaps seem less further down the rank.

Pedersen, Wisniowski and Per finished 13, 3 and 7th in points last year (average 7ish) but their OVL ranks are 8, 14 and 21 (average 14ish). After that it probably matches up better. Gerts is pretty close.

Similarly, on the TTers, Wurtz and Ganna are 21 and 68th in rank but finished 12th and 26th in points.

I think it is the sprinters that are too high but that is hard to evaluate given the weirdness in sprints.
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