Included:
- 2024 Teams (Names, Divisions)
- Renewals
- Age 38 retired
- New rider additions
Still missing:
- Avenir, Stagiare, Training eligible
If you find a mistake, please mention them via PM, so that they can be fixed.
There were some errors before with some riders, in case it`s not yet fixed, just send me a new PM please.
As only the three eligibility coloumns are missing, it might be close to the final transfers DB. In especially as new riders and talents were added already. Thanks to everyone, who did research and testing for the new riders.
I have a plea... Please please will you change the name of Nikolaos Drakos to some other random greek rider (Not Arvanitou).
He's the biggest greek talent IRL - in quite some years also - and you added him with a POT 1, and absolutely nothing to play with. 50TT. The man is 4 time consequtive TT medalist in Greece NC youth.
I suggested a statline for him to make for a fun rider to develop. If it can't be this year, I would rather wait another year for it to happen. The one added at POT 1 I won't likely even offer a contract to be honest - even if he can max out at 77HI. Horrible FL and backup stats so can't even be trained into something interesting.
So please: Either rename him, delete him, or give him a proper and fun statline. Not necessarily the one suggested, but something worth signing and playing with.
Every once in a while there is a special name in a region that need to be added with something interesting. For my region he's that one.
Ditto for Mikutis. Feel cheated for getting just a good dom (or a good scorer...after investing many millions) when he is the first new Lithuanian rider in like 10 years who's made to PCT in real life.
Pitchie and Nys have 1.15 XP, as new additions they should be at zero?
Also noticed this, but I guess it's because their OVL is pretty high - and hence their RDs in particular in CT pretty low. Guess they did this on purpose to help getting them to lvl3?
Pithie and Nys indeed got it upped a bit to make it more possible for both CT and PCT to bring them to level 3 with limited race days of 61/63.
It`s still not super easy but at least better to do than from 1.00, which was neither totally impossible but would need far more unsuited races and potential calendar struggle.
I have a plea... Please please will you change the name of Nikolaos Drakos to some other random greek rider (Not Arvanitou).
He's the biggest greek talent IRL - in quite some years also - and you added him with a POT 1, and absolutely nothing to play with. 50TT. The man is 4 time consequtive TT medalist in Greece NC youth.
I suggested a statline for him to make for a fun rider to develop. If it can't be this year, I would rather wait another year for it to happen. The one added at POT 1 I won't likely even offer a contract to be honest - even if he can max out at 77HI. Horrible FL and backup stats so can't even be trained into something interesting.
So please: Either rename him, delete him, or give him a proper and fun statline. Not necessarily the one suggested, but something worth signing and playing with.
Every once in a while there is a special name in a region that need to be added with something interesting. For my region he's that one.
Got to say it's a bit unexpected to see the manager of a Greek team complain about the talent additions this year, as I thought (and still think) the batch of Greek and Cypriots was really nice, after also having Greek riders from 2001 that are 78 TT/prol and the other 78/73 or 74 mtn/hill (with 70-ish TT). Except for nations that actually have strong real life riders I don't immediately see a lot of other countries coming close to this in MG, combined with what Greece has this year in the talent db as well. Not only a potential 81 flat beast who can win any flat classic without needing training, but also has potential to go up to 77 TT, but also Drakos as a decent puncheur with 70-ish (or higher) mtn, physicals, spr and acc. And yes, he is potential 1, simply because he also starts higher than many other riders and this also gives him the potential to win an Avenir stage, while still maxing out at a decent level (the same as a pot 4 or 5 rider that simply starts with lower stats?).
A couple of weeks/months ago, you posted this in the suggestion thread.
I have opted for 3 relatively strong greek talents this time. Probably not ideal given that we have relegated, but nevertheless I do think it's about time atleast one greek talent will join that can actually get a top 10 somewhere without massive training. Especially with Vlatos now declining for the 2nd time, and Farantakis not being a viable option due to the sprinting mishaps.
Sorry for the format, I don't have access to a PC at the time, so it's difficult to make it work all that well.
Last Name
First Name
FL
MO
HI
TT
STA
RES
REC
COB
SPR
ACC
FIG
DH
PRL
NAT
CON
Panigyrakis
Ioannis
71
68
68
70
67
68
65
59
64
72
64
68
68
GRE
EU
Drakos
Nikolas
70
70
70
67
68
73
67
61
67
70
68
70
72
GRE
EU
Varotsos
Ioannis
69
69
69
71
68
70
66
64
65
72
70
71
71
GRE
EU
Last Name
First Name
FL
MO
HI
TT
STA
RES
REC
COB
SPR
ACC
FIG
DH
PRL
NAT
CON
Panigyrakis
Ioannis
77
69
71
77
71
74
71
59
64
72
68
69
75
GRE
EU
Drakos
Nikolas
73
74
79
68
76
77
71
61
70
78
75
73
73
GRE
EU
Varotsos
Ioannis
76
70
72
78
73
77
71
64
65
72
75
71
78
GRE
EU
Panigyrakis is born 18th february 1997 so a pretty old rider.
Drakos is born 18th july 2002 and is by far the best greek talent IRL.
Varotsos is born 9th october 2002 and opts for different solutions without ever being a top rider.
So basically three top riders, because even though you have Varotsos 'only' maxing at 70/72/78 mtn/hi/tt he's actually going to 76/74/78. Basically Wirtgen light for somebody who only raced greece national races in his career so far, in addition to the powerhouse you made Drakos in this suggestion and adding Panigyrakis as a very strong rider (also able to max at 75 mtn 77 tt).
First of all, didn't go for the 1997 rider injection because that rider also does nothing irl except for some low tier national races, and clearly there are quite some nice Greeks already in the game, obviously thanks to your presence and training of course as well. But we agreed that when a rider doesn't do anything irl there is no need to add him when his focus nation already gets nice talents and/or has strong riders in the game.
Then looking at the other two suggestions. Since in your post (text and suggestions) it became clear you were looking for both a Vlatos (tt replacement) and somebody who can get a top-10 somewhere without massive training, Varotsos was created (as he was also the guy who you clearly gave more TT stat actually). Either he maxes at 81 flat with a good spr/acc and good physicals to win flat classics with late attacks (or even flat stages), or a 81 flat rider to win flat classics and still have him at 76 tt as a TTT dom, or 80 flat/77tt. Simply a strong rider, outclassing any other rouleur there is this season and immediately imo one of the best three in the game when he's maxed.
Apart from this we also added Drakos with nice stats. At least in our opinion. But in the general picture if we speak about deflating the db and then someone would not want to sign a rider from their focus nation that is well rounded and with 77 in the main stat, sounds weird to me. He really doesn't have horrible fl and back up stats as you claim in your post some days ago?
Sure, you can say he should have better tt based on his multiple Greece TT U23 medals (and nothing else I think?), but then why did you give him the worst TT of the three suggestions you made, if his TT is such a big thing? We looked at your suggestion, where he was a hybrid puncheur in his maxed form, and also keeping in mind the amazingly strong Varotsos made him a nice, but not unrealistically strong, rider. He indeed rides for North Macedonian CT Novapor Speedbike Team irl, so I hope he gets a nice irl career out of it as well, and well rounded hybrid puncheur stats should do him justice. In addition to those two, there was also an okay Cypriot mountain dom added. Not the most amazing rider obviously, but another regional fit that could be interesting to sign as a regional team of course
Long story short, in MG there indeed will be stronger riders than in real life for long term managers with a specific focus nation, and countries like Greece, Cyprus and Lithuania have definitely been taken care of in that regard in the last seasons as well as this one, and this will continue to be the case. Even including top-5/3 riders in their terrain, such as Varotsos, Kmieliauskas, etc.
Sorry about having missed this. But in all fairness I think you have missed the point.
Talking about Drakos he is for me the one and only greek talent. If I'm not mistaken he maxes with 66FL, 72MO, 77HI, 50TT, 69STA, 72RES, 68REC, 63COB, 68SPR, 75ACC, 82FIG, 64DH, 52PRL... This is a rider that is a decent domestique, but he cannot be trained. His FL and physical package is WAY too low to make him anything useful what so ever.
There are already 3 greek domestique puncheurs better than him - and he IS the biggest talent in Greece by quite some margin.
Like said - I'm OK with him not being added this year, if it is too much to ask for 2 good'ish riders in one year. Then I'd much rather wait to add him next season.
And if it's annoying then he could be named something else.
This guy is my Herklotz. The one rider I want to build the future on - and with these stats - I can't! That is basically what I asked for. Either:
1) Wait and add him better next season
2) Change his name
3) Change his stats
I really don't think that is unreasonable. I can give you a different name, birthdate etc. and then it's no big deal. Then I can just decide not to sign him. But I want Drakos in my team being a greek team.
Varotsos is a very nice rider. No complaints what so ever. He's more of a roulleur that I suggested, but that is fine. He's a solid rider and he can actually get a stagewin as you say even though I do think you are stretching it to make him seem like a world class rider. He isn't. But he can move in different directions, and can be trained into a winner.
When I asked for a rider that could win something without training (just to get that one also). I have been having a greek focus for quite some years - and now I'm solely greek/cypriot. When I decided to go for greek riders I signed Tzortzakis 82SPR and Vlatos 81TT. These are still - without a doubt - the best ever greek riders to have been added - and they didn't do anything IRL, and was added when there was absolutely no greek interest from anyone.
I have gotten A LOT of riders with 75-78 key stat, which is great as I can atleast train them into something useful. But besides Farantakis I haven't once gotten an 79 key stat rider with winning off the bat-potential. I can point at several other riders without any noteable real life results that has been added in the same period of time with significantly better stats that any greek rider have gotten:
Joseph Areruya
Caio Godoy
Fredrik Strand Galta
Orluis Aular (Sprinter)
Chen Shikai
Suranga Ranaweera
Ki Ho Choi
Kevin Inkelaar
Kyeng Ho Min
I know some of these have also been trained better, but all were added better than the best ever greek climbing talent (Giannoutsos). These are just from the pool of climbers. Same goes for cobblers, puncheurs and timetriallists (even though we have gotten a fair share of decent timetriallists and a 77COB rider - Not one that can win anything or get a top 10 in a normal selection though).
But - The first part was my main question. Can he please change his name. Or wait for next season to be added - better?
These are the greek riders ingame who arent above 30 years:
Spoiler
Name
FL
MO
HI
TT
ST
RS
RC
CB
SP
AC
FG
DH
PR
OVR
Age
Stylianos Farantakis
74
59
66
72
75
72
79
66
81
80
61
63
79
77,63
29
Miltiadis Giannoutsos
68
79
72
72
76
78
75
57
64
68
75
67
77
76,53
27
Georgios Boutopoulos
78
68
72
66
73
75
69
74
73
78
80
74
68
76,47
28
Zisis Soulious
69
74
75
66
76
75
69
51
71
78
63
76
66
75,77
28
Ioannidis Kiriakidis
68
74
73
77
72
73
74
62
63
71
70
73
76
75,42
27
Aimiliano Vila
70
71
77
64
70
73
74
54
67
74
76
69
64
75,04
27
Georgios Stavrakakis
76
61
68
75
74
70
66
77
64
68
70
62
77
74,95
26
Dimitrios Christakos
69
77
72
70
69
74
72
58
61
70
74
70
73
74,77
25
Anastasios Koumpetsos
74
67
73
56
76
73
82
58
76
76
74
71
56
74,75
29
Pangiotis Christapopoulos
73
62
73
78
72
72
66
62
62
69
75
66
77
74,26
29
Alex Mengoulas
74
65
69
73
74
71
67
73
65
74
73
68
73
73,57
27
Nikolaos Zegklis
71
70
73
64
73
73
71
65
68
73
78
78
64
73,34
28
Panagiotis Karatsivis
69
74
70
68
70
72
71
60
64
73
73
67
67
71,99
23
Nikolaos Michail Drakos
66
68
72
50
69
69
65
63
68
71
78
64
52
71,14
22
Sarris Evangelos
71
63
65
69
73
69
65
70
71
71
68
71
70
70,74
23
Georgios Kaloniatis
72
69
68
72
74
72
73
65
66
69
75
69
75
70,63
25
Martinos Moutsios
71
61
62
73
71
70
65
65
66
72
70
66
73
69,19
23
Ioannis Varotsos
73
62
66
70
69
69
64
63
67
68
72
68
70
68,62
22
So now I repeat, GREEK riders. There is exactly one greek team, you! And i didnt add the riders of cyprus.
Honestly I dont see any problem here, they are ALL way above their real life capabilities. So I am sure there isnt a problem with not enough talent for your focus region.
So about the new additions. With just quickly looking into it and do a simple levelling path. We have one that max out at 77 Hills, one that max out at 77 TT with 77 PRL and 80 Flat with decent substats. The third is an Mountain dom most likely with 75 mountain and a lot of 70+ substats. I dont see any problem for your future here.
Comparing your rider to the ones you listed isnt really useful also because they are all from different nationalities and regions. So expecting you get all of them for your region (and again it's basically just your personal focus region) is a bit much, isnt it?
I am only like 2 years and understood already that there is a reason why there isnt any Herklotz situations anymore. And the goal off adding talent is to prevent the inflation of the riders and database. I can guarantee you, especially Nemo, thought a lot about all factors when adding talent and there is a reason why the talent is added like this. And compared to the years before it was to make sure every rider is signable and I am sure this is what we reached. Signable doesnt mean every one is a future champion but thats how cycling works. There are a lot more riders who never won something and still are very important.
Now my personal opinion:
If i ever read GENERATIONAL talent for any random rider again I probably will throw my computer out of a window! Personally, i think the complains are mostly about that it's just not liked that the riders a certain rider type. Looks like Puncheurs especially are hated nowadays
And the GENERATIONAL talent Drakos, I know already what will happen when we change him to something you like. Next year you will demand even higher stats for this 2003 born greek who delivered just better results than Drakos. He will be then the new GENERATIONAL talent.
We dont get what we want and maybe what some riders deserve. When I look at germans, some just late bloomers ( i look at you Lipowitz and Steinhauser )so we do our best to bring the ridersd and database in a good balance.
On a sidenote:
About Mikutis, he maxes out at 71 Stamina. Now please look at the Suggestion which was made for him. Overall he is a bit weaker but not compared to the Stamina.
Personally, i think the complains are mostly about that it's just not liked that the riders a certain rider type. Looks like Puncheurs especially are hated nowadays 
