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New Riders Suggestions [2022]
quadsas
SurnameNameFLTMTNHILTTSTARESRECCOBSPRACCFTRDHLPRLLVLDOB
KmieliauskasRokas76656880717271606369756580max22/08/2000


Has dominated U23 TT races in Lithuania. Was sent to U23 World and Euros last year. Worse than Ampler guys (who are looking nasty), but he's done well in time trials, nothing else.
deez
 
Eden95
A couple more suggestions:

Hamza Mansouri
A strong all round GC type rider that could develop many ways. Primarily excels on shorter climbs and likes to race against the clock. Has a low potential so can be trained in a few different ways to become a very strong domestique.

Hamza Mansouri lvl 1 Pot 2 DOB 13/04/1999
SurnameNameFltMtnHilTTStaResRecCobSprAccFtrDhlPrlTraining
MansouriHamz70687170747374626674736570LVL 1
MansouriHamz70687670797676626678766570hil
MansouriHamz75687277777879626674766577tt
MansouriHamz70757475797679626674736575SR


John Salazar
A rider who has achieved alright results on all terrains. As a result, he is a bit of a 'blank slate' and can be taken in almost any direction his future team could dream. Has solid energy stats to support whatever path is chosen for him. Coming in as lvl 1 at 24, he will only have 2 training eligible years post-development so won't be able to be trained to be a broken rider.


John Salazar lvl 1 Pot 5 DOB 18/06/1998
SurnameNameFltMtnHilTTStaResRecCobSprAccFtrDhlPrltraining
SalazarJohn70686868697170676870656668
SalazarJohn73777375767677676871666775Sr
SalazarJohn71777669727577676877736768Cl1
SalazarJohn73717669777574677177706769Hil
SalazarJohn77686977747777677371656677TTT
SalazarJohn77697177747877676870706777tt
SalazarJohn77686975767673756871666775Fab
SalazarJohn78717172747675707177727072Ftr
SalazarJohn77696968767482727777656768Spr

Indosat - ANZ HQ

"This Schleck sandwich is going to cause serious indigestion for Evans" - Phil Liggett
 
hillis91
Some more suggestions from me, a couple of Swedish young guns.

Albin Johansson, 22 years of age.
https://firstcycling.com/rider.php?r=...hp?r=65428
Track Sprinter
Last nameFirst nameFlatMountainHillTTStaminaResistanceRecoveryCobblesSprintAccelerationFighterDownhillPrologueXP LevelXP PointsAgePotential
JohanssonAlbin6965656566656565686969686710225
766566666972766577766969744100255


Samuel Lord, 23 years of age.
https://firstcycling.com/rider.php?r=...7#racedata
Hills
Last nameFirst nameFlatMountainHillTTStaminaResistanceRecoveryCobblesSprintAccelerationFighterDownhillPrologueXP LevelXP PointsAgePotential
LordSamuel6765696468656563687269686710235
706877657669696371797469684100265

Track Sprinter
Last nameFirst nameFlatMountainHillTTStaminaResistanceRecoveryCobblesSprintAccelerationFighterDownhillPrologueXP LevelXP PointsAgePotential
LordSamuel6765696468656563687269686710235
746570657172766377796969744100265

i.imgur.com/sqJ8APc.png
www.pcmdaily.com/images/mg/Awards2022/jerseydesigner.png
www.pcmdaily.com/images/mg/Awards2022/graphicartist.png
 
whitejersey
Gonna add in a South African talent that I might have fully missscouted here!

Rickardo Broxham has a fairly solid palmares list despite it being relatively limited, won the 2018 Junior Tour of Ireland, where he was around 5 seconds slower than Magnus Sheffield on the prologue and the race it self seems to be relatively hilly. Also has had success recently in De Groot Trap which seems to be a one day race that's also relatively hilly. Someone else should probably make the stats but I think he would make a fun addition to the game.

IDSurnameFirst nameFlMoHlTTStRsRcCbSpAcFtDhPlNat.Cont.XP LevelXP PointsDMYearPot
XBroxhamRicardo68666970676767606767676570RSAAF1011820004
XBroxhamRicardo75677277727472606767726577RSAAF4Max TT11820004
XBroxhamRicardo69737477727274606768686577RSAAF4Max SR11820004


Tristan Jussaume, is the current u23 ITT Champ in Canada. Had a 40 second gap to the second place over a 32k TT. Adding to his TT palmares he is also Quebecois TT Champ in 2021, besides that it seems like he is a decent crit rider, with a few top 5s in sprints and more selective races. He has not really done anything notable on the European circuit however. He also has a decent background in track cycling it seems.

XJussuameTristan67636369676863626868696568CANNA120320015
XJussuameTristan74636470707574627775696675CANNA4TR Sprint20320015
XJussuameTristan74636478727470627371696677CANNA4TR TT20320015
XJussuameTristan74646678727570626868746677CANNA5TT20320015


These are the only two suggestions I have cooked up for now.
 
hillis91
Some Danish Dynamite, i dont know what they put in the water i Denmark. But the generation coming up now is impressive!

Modifications needed of course, here is at least my suggestions. As we keep adding random riders from random countries and making them decent ++. Real talent from the real world, should at least pack a punch.


Jacob Hindsgaul Madsen, 22 years of age (born 2000)
https://firstcycling.com/rider.php?r=...hp?r=75478
Stage Race
Last nameFirst nameFlatMountainHillTTStaminaResistanceRecoveryCobblesSprintAccelerationFighterDownhillPrologueXP LevelXP PointsAgePotential
Hindsgaul MadsenJacob6769696767686663656869706710226
707874747475756365717071744100256


Mattias Skjelmose Jensen, 22 years of age (born 2000)
https://firstcycling.com/rider.php?r=...hp?r=77103
Stage Race
Last nameFirst nameFlatMountainHillTTStaminaResistanceRecoveryCobblesSprintAccelerationFighterDownhillPrologueXP LevelXP PointsAgePotential
Skjelmose JensenMattias6768686669696863656969716910226
707773737676776365727072764100256


Matias Malmberg, 22 years of age (born 2000)
https://firstcycling.com/rider.php?r=...hp?r=81255
Time Trail
Last nameFirst nameFlatMountainHillTTStaminaResistanceRecoveryCobblesSprintAccelerationFighterDownhillPrologueXP LevelXP PointsAgePotential
MalmbergMatias6965666867716664686866687110226
766669777480736468687169804100256


Mads Andersen, 22 years of age (born 2000)
https://firstcycling.com/rider.php?r=...hp?r=94841
Track Sprinter
Last nameFirst nameFlatMountainHillTTStaminaResistanceRecoveryCobblesSprintAccelerationFighterDownhillPrologueXP LevelXP PointsAgePotential
AndersenMads7065666967686666707066687010225
776567707075776679776669774100255


Sebastian Kolze Changizi, 22 years of age (born 2000)
https://firstcycling.com/rider.php?r=...hp?r=94841
Hills
Last nameFirst nameFlatMountainHillTTStaminaResistanceRecoveryCobblesSprintAccelerationFighterDownhillPrologueXP LevelXP PointsAgePotential
Kolze ChangiziSebastian6865696667676665697268696610226
716978677571706572807572674100256


Sprinter
Last nameFirst nameFlatMountainHillTTStaminaResistanceRecoveryCobblesSprintAccelerationFighterDownhillPrologueXP LevelXP PointsAgePotential
Kolze ChangiziSebastian6865696667676665697268696610226
756672667470817078806870664100256

i.imgur.com/sqJ8APc.png
www.pcmdaily.com/images/mg/Awards2022/jerseydesigner.png
www.pcmdaily.com/images/mg/Awards2022/graphicartist.png
 
Mresuperstar
Not really good with suggesting stats, but thought I'd throw in a few Americans to consider adding.

Sean Quinn (born 2000) / Stage Racer
Kevin Vermaerke (born 2000) / Climber
Ryan Jastrab (born 2000) / Sprinter?
Tyler Stites (born 1998) / TT & Sprinter
 
https://twitter.com/Mresuperstar
Broxima
I want to join MG with a central american team and I suggest adding two riders from that region:
- Oscar Quiros JR (https://firstcycling.com/rider.php?r=62446) Belize (TT Specialist and decent sprinter) with a ovl in high 60s but not much potential (DOB: 04.01.1995). He is currently the best cyclist from Belize.
- Sergio Geovany Chumil (https://firstcycling.com/rider.php?r=84156) Guatemala (Climber/Stage racer) with an ovl that is in the top 3 of guatemala and a lot of potential (DOB: 08.10.2000), he is already one of the best cyclists from Guatemalar right now and is currently riding for a team in Spain. He placed 6th in the VoltaPortugal Futuro this season
 
MacC
IDSurnameFirst nameFlMoHlTTStRsRcCbSpAcFtDhPl
JuneauFrancis68656669646865626867706668
TTJuneauFrancis75666978717572626867756777
Track sprJuneauFrancis75667070677569627774706775
SRJuneauFrancis71747174717370626868716773
FighterJuneauFrancis76686973697370657174787172


*doesn't include sprint recovery bonuses

Francis Juneau , 2nd in Canada's U23 TT and some decent results in hilly stages.

https://www.procy...cis-juneau

Core skill of TTing but could have a more all-rounder development

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Riley Pickering:

IDSurnameFirst nameFlMoHlTTStRsRcCbSpAcFtDhPl
PickerellRiley67656959696864667073666557
sprPickerellRiley72667059747069707978666657
hillPickerellRiley70687760777268687277706658
classicsPickerellRiley72657459747267737074746657


https://www.procy...y-pickrell

Looks a handy sprinter but mainly after tougher days. there's a nice video on his twitter on winning a sprint in the Baby Giro. I'd say a hilly sprinter type/classics rider or pure sprinter
Edited by MacC on 11-07-2022 10:31
 
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MacC wrote:
IDSurnameFirst nameFlMoHlTTStRsRcCbSpAcFtDhPl
JuneauFrancis68656669646865626867706668
TTJuneauFrancis75666978717572626867756777
Track sprJuneauFrancis75667070677569627774706775
SRJuneauFrancis71747174717370626868716773
FighterJuneauFrancis76686973697370657174787172


*doesn't include sprint recovery bonuses

Francis Juneau , 2nd in Canada's U23 TT and some decent results in hilly stages.

https://www.procy...cis-juneau

Core skill of TTing but could have a more all-rounder development

---------------------------

Riley Pickering:

IDSurnameFirst nameFlMoHlTTStRsRcCbSpAcFtDhPl
PickerellRiley67656959696864667073666557
sprPickerellRiley72667059747069707978666657
hillPickerellRiley70687760777268687277706658
classicsPickerellRiley72657459747267737074746657


https://www.procy...y-pickrell

Looks a handy sprinter but mainly after tougher days. there's a nice video on his twitter on winning a sprint in the Baby Giro. I'd say a hilly sprinter type/classics rider or pure psrimter


Both Potential 5
 
MacC
Tell me if I'm too late with these!

Luke Plapp, serious talent obviously (Stage Racer development)
SurnameFirst nameFlMoHlTTStRsRcCbSpAcFtDhPl
PlappLuke67716970676569586468656965
PlappLuke70807477747278586471667072
- Stage racer, POT 6 (doesn't include SPR recovery bonus)
This year's results:
https://www.procy...plapp/2022

Maybe struggled a bit this year in some TTs but in earlier years seemed to be destined to be a specialist

Jensen Plowright, sprinter, POT 4

IDSurnameFirst nameFlMoHlTTStRsRcCbSpAcFtDhPl
PlowrightJensen71606358657364617372575962
sprinterPlowrightJensen76606458707469667879576062


Some promising results but all still at lower levels: https://www.procy...-plowright

Matthew Dinham Climber/Puncher, POT 4

IDSurnameFirst nameFlMoHlTTStRsRcCbSpAcFtDhPl
DinhamMatthew66697064727065505965607365
Cl v1DinhamMatthew67767764737470505972677465
Cl V2DinhamMatthew67777364787769505969658165
PunchDinhamMatthew69727865797468596070657466


https://www.procy...inham/2020
 
Bushwackers
I better suggest some Swiss riders since the core riders on my team are declining or will be next year (Schelling, Reichenbach, Dillier, Grand, Fuchs). Also doesn't help that there's more Swiss teams now than ever Grin

Alexandre Balmer: https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider...almer/2022
I'm hoping he would be a potential replacement for Schelling as a GC rider. Pot 6, Stage Race
BalmerAlexandre69717167687168606369737765SWIEU10542000
BalmerAlexandre72807674757677606372747872SWIEU4100542000



Johnathan Bogli: https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider...than-bogli
Potentially a mountains domestique. Pot 5, Climberv1
JohnathanBogli62686760626465606165676060SWIEU1012920005
JohnathanBogli63777561656872606172756161SWIEU410012920005



Nils Burn: https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider.../nils-brun
I envision something like Reichenbach. Pot 5, Hills
BrunNils66697061676966616568686360SWIEU101462000
BrunNils69727862757370616875736461SWIEU41001462000


Filippo Colombo: https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider...o-colombo1
A flexible rider that could be trained in hills or TT to be a team mate/breakaway guy. Pot 4, TT vs Hills
ColomboFilippo71687173676968636570727371SWIEU3020121997
ColomboFilippo75697377707371636570757375SWIEU410020121997
ColomboFilippo73707674717170636673757472SWIEU410020121997



Ruben Eggenberg: https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider...-eggenberg
Stage race domestique. Pot 5, Stage Race
EggenbergRuben62666767636665555964656264SWIEU101532000
EggenbergRuben65757274707172555965666371SWIEU41001532000


Christoph Janssen: https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider...nssen/2022
Pot 5, Time Trial
JanssenChristoph68626569656865555963636568SWIEU102842000
JanssenChristoph75636878707572555963686677SWIEU41002842000


Kevin Kuhn: https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider...kevin-kuhn
Climbing domestique. Pot 4, Climberv1
KuhnKevin66726963676970535868657360SWIEU301821998
KuhnKevin67767363687173535872697460SWIEU41001821998


Felix Stehli: https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider...tehli/2022
Hills domestique/1 day specialist. Pot 5, Hills
StehliFelix62656860666762626566656960SWIEU1018102000
StehliFelix65687661747166626873707061SWIEU410018102000


Jan Stockli: https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider...an-stockli
Climbing domestique. Pot 5, Climberv1
StockliJan64686960676964536167726560SWIEU20811999
StockliJan65757661707270536173796661SWIEU4100811999


Alex Vogel: https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider...alex-vogel
Could be fun to make into a sprinter/PRL specialist with some slight adjustments to his stats in the PCMDaily DB. Pot 5, Track-Sprint
VogelAlex69606766617161607173606173SWIEU203071999
VogelAlex75606867647771607879606279SWIEU41003071999

 
whitejersey
Rait Ärm is an Estonian talent and looks like their best hope of producing a new WT level rider, he's no Rein but looks to be a decentish prospect with a cross background, these stats are super makeshifty, but he has a couple of decent results like finishing top 3 at u23 euros in Alkmaar in 2019 behind Dainese and Larsen, so sought out to make him a bit worse than those. Has a few other decent showings in some Euro conti races mainly in sprints, could potentially be turned into a leadout/dom instead of a sprinter.

Spoiler
IDSurnameFirst nameFlMoHlTTStRsRcCbSpAcFtDhPlNat.Cont.XP LevelXP PointsDMYearPot
xÄrmRait70646663707065696869727068ESTEU1031320005
xÄrmRait77646763777568777570737168ESTEU4CBL31320005
xÄrmRait77656763777370747776727168ESTEU4SPR31320005
xÄrmRait78676967757570727176807472ESTEU4FTR31320005


Felix Engelhardt is currently the highest rated German U23 rider on the general rankings on First Cycling. He is the current European u23 champ taking his win in Portugal on a hilly route and he's done very well on similar routes like second place at this year's GP Kranj, he should not be a world beater but seems like a rider that could be leader material in the future.

Spoiler
IDSurnameFirst nameFlMoHlTTStRsRcCbSpAcFtDhPlNat.Cont.XP LevelXP PointsDMYearPot
XEngelhardtFelix68676963686865586670676565GEREU1019820006
XEngelhardtFelix71717864767269586978746866GEREU4HIL19820006
xEngelhardtFelix77707367757370627077766969GEREU4FTR19820006


[url=]https://firstcycling.com/rider.php?r=77102&stats=1&k=1]Mick Van Dijke[/url] is a rider that has made some splashes in shorter hilly stage races such as CRO Race and Tomorrow Tour Flanders, on U23 level he was part of an incredible TTT team that rarely lost a time trial and also won the Dutch U23 TT NC last year while finishing just outside the top 10 in the main race as by far the youngest rider in and around that area alongside his twin brother.

Spoiler
IDSurnameFirst nameFlMoHlTTStRsRcCbSpAcFtDhPlNat.Cont.XP LevelXP PointsDMYearPot
XVan DijkeMick67656969706870656365656069NEDEU1015320006
XVan DijkeMick74667278777777656365706178NEDEU4TT15320006
xVan DijkeMick76687373777375696772746473NEDEU4FTR15320006


Tim Van Dijke Twin brother of Mick hence the same potential, seems to be much stronger on prologues, won the prl in Sibiu this year, part of same TTT core as his brother but he seems to falter on longer distances seems to be a pretty decent sprinter when allowed to with a stage win in CRO race and a second place in Ster van Zwolle last year behind Reimers. A different with worse sprint could also be considered if we want a lower pot addition.

Spoiler
IDSurnameFirst nameFlMoHlTTStRsRcCbSpAcFtDhPlNat.Cont.XP LevelXP PointsDMYearPot
XVan DijkeTim68656567706868656970656071NEDEU1015320006
XVan DijkeTim75656676777675657473656180NEDEU4TTT15320006
xVan DijkeTim75656868737573727878656179NEDEU4TRS15320006


Kim Heiduk is a German youngster riding for Ineos, looks like a semi capable sprinter but nothing too special, according to press when he signed for Ineos they were still not really sure what type of rider he is going to be. Most of results looks like he's a hilly sprinter so that's where I have placed him.

Spoiler
IDSurnameFirst nameFlMoHlTTStRsRcCbSpAcFtDhPlNat.Cont.XP LevelXP PointsDMYearPot
XHeidukKim68656965706967656970656065GEREU103320004
XHeidukKim75657065757079707677656165GEREU4SPR3320004
xHeidukKim71687766777377657075706166GEREU4HIL3320004


Just realized that Heiduk and Engelhardt were suggested already, whooopsieesss
Edited by whitejersey on 27-07-2022 22:35
 
cio93
whitejersey wrote:
Rait Ärm is an Estonian talent and looks like their best hope of producing a new WT level rider

Madis Mihkels.



On topic, I'll try to write something about a few additions I'm hoping to see in the coming days!
 
whitejersey
cio93 wrote:
whitejersey wrote:
Rait Ärm is an Estonian talent and looks like their best hope of producing a new WT level rider

Madis Mihkels.



On topic, I'll try to write something about a few additions I'm hoping to see in the coming days!


Mikhels is the way stronger prospect now that I have looked into things a bit more but I should have phrased as a rider to be added to MG this year instead, Mikhels is from 2003 but looks like a fine prospect!
 
Eden95
French Dudes
A couple of French riders due to the influx of new teams.


SurnameNameFLTMTNHillTTSTARESRECCOBSPRACCFTRDHLPRLlvlpotTraining
VauquelinKevin6869696366686960626774656315\\
VauquelinKevin7177747073737660626875667015SR
VauquelinKevin6978776469727660627482666415Cl1
VauquelinKevin7172776474727360627479666415\\
PageHugo7267666469746955586358717015\
PageHugo7276746573747655587066727115Cl1


Vauquelin DOB: 26/04/2001
Page DOB: 24/07/2001

Indosat - ANZ HQ

"This Schleck sandwich is going to cause serious indigestion for Evans" - Phil Liggett
 
sammyt93
With another San Marino team entering the game I think now is a good time to suggest a couple of extra additions for our small micronation. Unfortunately just finding names who participated in a junior race is difficult for a nation this small so unless we can make some complete fantasy additions, or use names of riders who are too old to have ever been in teh Mangame as new young cyclists with fantasy stats we are always going to have a miniscule rider pool to work with.

But I have found 2 riders who are real and I'd like added to the DB.

First one is Michael Antonelli 30/11/1999

Michael is the most talented rider to ever come out of San Marino, having actually won a mountain race as a junior, and as such I believe he should have the best stats of any rider to ever come out of San Marino. I have tried to make him a better version of Paolo Scarponi's peak, adjusted to what would be needed to lead a PCT team.

FlMoHiTTStaResRecCobSpAccFiDhPr Pot
70797765727477566577757866 6


The other rider is Diego Rossi 16/08/2000

Diego is a young rider who's only finished race I can find is the Games of the Small States of Europe 2017, seeing as I have no idea what the course was like I'll just suggest stats that would have him replace Marco Zafferani as a Sammarinese flat/cobble domestique/ minor TTT piece.

FlMoHiTTStaResRecCobSpAccFiDhPr Pot
78657372757270746870716575 4


Both riders have the same Pot value as the riders they are earmarked as potential upgrades of.
 
Sykkel_Freak
One Swedish suggestion:

IDSurnameFirst nameFlMoHlTTStRsRcCbSpAcFtDhPlNat.Cont.XP LvlXP PtsDMYearPot
XErikssonJacob68717063696971606466627364SWDEU2011019994
XErikssonJacob69777469737377606467637370SWDEU410011019994
XErikssonJacob69777663707275606472687464SWDEU410011019994
XErikssonJacob69777363757574606469668064SWDEU410011019994
XErikssonJacob71747764757274606570667465SWDEU410011019994

Stat gains: Stage Race, Climberv1, Climberv2, Hills
First cycling: https://firstcycl...hp?r=65027

Rides for Riwal in the Continental Tour. Top 10's in Circuit des Ardennes, Volta Limburg Classic, Gylne Gutuer, Lillehammer GP and Arctic Race of Norway in the past couple of seasons - even though he rode as domestique for his older brother Lukas in some of them. Seems like a good puncheur that can also do longer climbs well. Looks like he's also done some CX, so I imagine he's good downhill! Wink
 
Eden95
Another San Marinese man to add to sammy's suggestions:

Luigi Giulietti DOB: 24/04/1999

Last nameFirst nameFLTMTNHILTTSTARESRECCOBSPRACCFTRDHLPRLLVLPOTTraining
GiuliettiLuigi7065697069717170666862747113\
GiuliettiLuigi71687670747474706773667571MAX3Hill
GiuliettiLuigi75657074747572776668627475MAX3Fabian
GiuliettiLuigi75657270747472756668667571MAX3Classic
GiuliettiLuigi75657070747572777068627471MAX3Cob
GiuliettiLuigi75657077747876706668657478MAX3TT


Low potential gives the manager the freedom to choose many different paths for the rider.
Indosat - ANZ HQ

"This Schleck sandwich is going to cause serious indigestion for Evans" - Phil Liggett
 
hillis91
Antti-Jussi Juntunen
Results: https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider...i-juntunen
CyclistIDLast nameFirst nameFLMOHLTTSTARESRECCBSPACCFHDHPLXPXP PointsAgePotential
JuntunenAntti-Jussi6865656565696566677269696510226
75666865727280717680697065410025Sprinter
77686969727470707179787369410025Fighter
71697466737369667080767266410025Hills

i.imgur.com/sqJ8APc.png
www.pcmdaily.com/images/mg/Awards2022/jerseydesigner.png
www.pcmdaily.com/images/mg/Awards2022/graphicartist.png
 
ivaneurope
IDSurnameFirst nameFlMoHlTTStRsRcCbSpAcFtDhPlNat.Cont.XP LevelXP PointsDMYearPotSpecialty
xKolevYoan67686869646567556166676369BULEU10191019994
xKolevYoan68757376697074556167686376BULEU4100191019994Stage Race
xKolevYoan68757569656972556173746469BULEU4100191019994Climber v1
xKolevYoan70717670716970556271726470BULEU4100191019994Hills
xKolevYoan74697176697272556166726376BULEU4100191019994Time Trail


Here's a potential GC candidate from Bulgaria - Yoan Kolev
Edited by ivaneurope on 30-07-2022 15:35
i.imgur.com/rrQH4R2.png
i.imgur.com/KoxIGiG.png
 
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