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PCM.daily Stat Discussion
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 04-10-2020 21:50
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Guys any changes in Top Hills????
In my opinion:
Alaphilippe 83
Hirschi 82
Valverde 80/81
Fuglsang 80/81
Ulissi 80
Roglic 78
Pogacar 78/79
Van der Poel 78
Formolo 79
Van Aert 79
Kwiatkowski 79 |
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| einar99 |
Posted on 05-10-2020 00:12
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At the very least 79 for VdP. If you saw his absolute insane performance at the last stage of BinckBank tour and then the day after winning the bunch sprint behind the leading group and placing 6th at LbL after doing literally all the work after they couldn’t follow the very best guys. He was by far the best rider in that field and would’ve won easily had it not been for his absolute monstrous performance the day before. I’ve given my opinion for VdP stats recently, but after what he has shown I would give him a bump in both HI and REC based on those stats |
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| Arberg |
Posted on 05-10-2020 06:50
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Alaphilippe 82
Fuglsang 81
Hirschi 81
Valverde 80
Ulissi 80
Van der Poel 79
Formolo 79
Van Aert 79
Kwiatkowski 79
Roglic 78
Pogacar 78
Edited by Arberg on 06-10-2020 15:11
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 05-10-2020 09:08
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No Mohoric (who finished in front of Mathieu)?
Schachmann also forgotten by everyone?
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| purepasd |
Posted on 05-10-2020 09:43
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Don't know if you've noticed Sobreros good performances both in the Italian National ITT and in the giro ITT + Stage 2. I don't really know what type of rider he is, but he seems like a punchy allrounder with a solid TT. |
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 05-10-2020 11:39
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Ollfardh wrote:
No Mohoric (who finished in front of Mathieu)?
Schachmann also forgotten by everyone?
Ohh yeas, there are many riders i didn't say
Schachmann 80
Mohoric 77
Luis León Sanchez 76 |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 05-10-2020 19:05
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Also everybody has forgotten Cosnefroy who finished second at FW and would've finished higher at LBL had he not had a late mechanical problem.
Also bear in mind that LBL uses quite a lot of mtn stat which is why GT riders don't really need to have their hill increased to what they are at the moment. The riders that need higher hill are mostly the ones with lower mtn like Cosnefroy, VDP and Mohoric etc. I'd also say after Alaphilippe both Fuglsang and Hirschi are the best hill riders but Hirschi probably needs higher as he has much lower mtn than Fuglsang.
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 06-10-2020 15:08
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purepasd wrote:
Don't know if you've noticed Sobreros good performances both in the Italian National ITT and in the giro ITT + Stage 2. I don't really know what type of rider he is, but he seems like a punchy allrounder with a solid TT.
Yes I noticed that along with Almeida, riders like Sobrero and Foss also put in good TT's as well.
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 10-10-2020 22:18
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Yates had Covid. So this Giro was not a representation of his climbing ability.
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Gracias Alberto.
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 10-10-2020 22:59
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Two ways of looking at this and that is to recognize the Covid and just leave him at 81 mtn BUT even before the announcement that he had the virus and based on an average last year was thinking he might be better at 80 mtn which would would probably mean Adam would drop to 79 mtn as Simon is imo still the better of the two. so both stay 81/80 or 80/79 for the next update is the choice. As always opinions welcome on these two as they are never easy to stat.
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| hansw |
Posted on 11-10-2020 12:21
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I think 81 for simon and 80 for adam is okay. I think Simon is stronger, too. Both have weak back up stats, especially REC, so 81 and 80 in MTN are ok. |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 11-10-2020 21:02
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hansw wrote:
I think 81 for simon and 80 for adam is okay. I think Simon is stronger, too. Both have weak back up stats, especially REC, so 81 and 80 in MTN are ok.
I also think despite some doubts that 81 and 80 are the best for them. The big issue with the Yates brothers is you never know what you're going to get. It could be a GT contender or just a stage winner, and you never really know this until the first important stages arrive. The best way to weaken them is with their rec.
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| cio93 |
Posted on 11-10-2020 21:22
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Florian Vermeersch made the initial front group selection in Gent-Wevelgem today, after good results elsewhere already this season.
Certainly a young talent to keep an eye on regarding potential stat changes.
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 13-10-2020 18:52
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For the next update we have decided to stretch out the stats even more and use more 83 and 82 in the stats to highlight some of the elite riders even more. Most of this has been done already (pending the Giro and Flanders) but the only stat that I'm still working on is flat and I'd be interested in members putting down who they think are say the top 5 or 10 best flat stat riders in the world with the best first and lesser afterwards etc. I just want flat and not cobble as I will combine cobble later on with the flat.
Cio- Vermeersch has been noted and would've stayed probably in that front group were it not for his crash and will get an upgarde.
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 13-10-2020 19:13
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Tafiolmo wrote:
Two ways of looking at this and that is to recognize the Covid and just leave him at 81 mtn BUT even before the announcement that he had the virus and based on an average last year was thinking he might be better at 80 mtn which would would probably mean Adam would drop to 79 mtn as Simon is imo still the better of the two. so both stay 81/80 or 80/79 for the next update is the choice. As always opinions welcome on these two as they are never easy to stat.
Simon Yates dropped Thomas, Vlasov and Majka by 34 seconds in Sassotetto at Tirreno-Adriatico. I would say last years Giro is the anomaly ( he went to the Tour for stage wins and took 2 stage wins )
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Gracias Alberto.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 13-10-2020 19:45
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Tafiolmo wrote:
Cio- Vermeersch has been noted and would've stayed probably in that front group were it not for his crash and will get an upgarde.
That was Gianni Vermeersch I think?
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 13-10-2020 19:51
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Best 10 flats, in no particular order:
Van Aert
Van der Poel
Asgreen
Sagan
Politt
Lampaert
Kung
Van Avermaet
Pedersen
Cancellara, even if he retired a few years ago
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| DS7SN13 |
Posted on 13-10-2020 20:56
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Ollfardh wrote:
Best 10 flats, in no particular order:
Van Aert
Van der Poel
Asgreen
Sagan
Politt
Lampaert
Kung
Van Avermaet
Pedersen
Cancellara, even if he retired a few years ago
Good list, I would add the following riders:
B.Jungels
S.K.Andersen
T.Martin |
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| cio93 |
Posted on 13-10-2020 21:07
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Ollfardh wrote:
Tafiolmo wrote:
Cio- Vermeersch has been noted and would've stayed probably in that front group were it not for his crash and will get an upgarde.
That was Gianni Vermeersch I think?
Yeah I can't remember Florian crashing.
The reason he lost contact with the front group was the split late on the flat where all teams with two riders in the group had their weaker rider caught out behind, so nobody tried to close the gap.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 13-10-2020 21:14
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DS7SN13 wrote:
Ollfardh wrote:
Best 10 flats, in no particular order:
Van Aert
Van der Poel
Asgreen
Sagan
Politt
Lampaert
Kung
Van Avermaet
Pedersen
Cancellara, even if he retired a few years ago
Good list, I would add the following riders:
B.Jungels
S.K.Andersen
T.Martin
They all came really close, as did Naesen, Stuyven, Benoot and a few others, but he asked for a top 10.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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