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PCM.daily Stat Discussion
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| cio93 |
Posted on 04-02-2020 14:54
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Orluis Aular (Caja Rural), wasn't his thing being very allround last season? Winning TTs and mountain stages besides his main strength as a sprinter?
I wouldn't dare to recommend exact stats, but probably not the minimum for both MO and TT.
Jonas Rutsch (EF) is a strong puncheur-rouleur with a decent sprint and above average climbing and cobbles ability.
He won Gent-Wevelgem last year and was good in RVV, had good punchy results in Luxembourg etc., and climbed well in Avenir before a DNF as well as finished second on the tough Lac Blanc stage in Alsace which was won by Schachmann, Hirschi and CF Hagen in recent years.
Stefan Bissegger (EF after the Olympics) is a massive TT talent besides being a very promising sprinter (think Kittel), and also had good results on tough terrain like 18th overall in Avenir with a 10th place stage finish on the hardest stage there, from a break but still.
Maybe 65+mo? And it's hard to get PCM to develop both TT and SPR, I know.
Charlie Quarterman (Trek) is in the DB as a Swiss rider. Unless he has dual citizenship, he's British.
llan van Wilder (Sunweb) was third in Avenir last season (as a first year U23 at that), ahead of Champoussin (73mo) and Zimmermann (68mo), I don't see why he should only have 63mo and a puncheur specialisation.
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 04-02-2020 19:55
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@cio93:
Aular: Aular has excelled in sprints, also on hillier terrain, and in short time trials. Long time trials and mountains are his weaknesses apart from his energy stats though. He'll have slightly better stats than minimum there after the next update though!
Rutsch: I don't really think Rutsch is a puncheur in the sense of strong acceleration, but more of that energy rider, which should be reflected in his stats. His energy-stats are standout, which make him a lot better than many other climbers and cobblers, while with his style he is less likely to specialize there. The decision to design his stats like this is also aimed at ensuring that he will develop in a realistic manner and development path.
Bissegger: Yes and no. I think his very strong energy stats will be enough to make him achieve such result, if you compare him to riders like Hindsgaul who has performed significantly better the result will be achievable with 60 Mo. Also with his frame and height/weight ratio, he does not look like somebody that will be a decent climber in the future, so I'd prefer him at 60 Mo to also ensure that he won't develop into some sort of stage racer. He will be on potential 6 though.
Quarterman: fixed for next update, switched around some numbers in the region column
van Wilder: we've been not careful enough with him - while there are still more articles I've read about him (and his final junior year) are pointing towards being a well climbing puncheur than a pure climber/stage racer, he'll have a massive mountain boost that will equal his climbing and hills ability at 69 while slightly lowering his flat.
Thank you very much for the good discussion points! |
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 07-02-2020 10:40
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Hi guys, I think that Lutsenko is underrated: He is only 75/75 in climb/hill and I think he would be better 76/78.
Some results in 2019:
1st Tour of Oman + 2 stages
4th Omloop Het Nieuwsblad
7th Strade Bianche
13th Tirreno Adriatico + 1 stage
7th Dauphiné + 3 Top10 in stages
19th in Tour de France, he was very good climber in many stages
1st Artic Race of Norway
4th Deutchland Tour
Some results in 2018:
1st Tour of Oman
15th Tirreno Adriatico
2nd Presidential Tour of Turkey
And many victories in minor races 1.1 and Kazajhistan Championship, etc...
He has good secundary stats but I think he deserves more in the main stats too
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 07-02-2020 15:58
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AiZaK wrote:
Hi guys, I think that Lutsenko is underrated: He is only 75/75 in climb/hill and I think he would be better 76/78.
Some results in 2019:
1st Tour of Oman + 2 stages
4th Omloop Het Nieuwsblad
7th Strade Bianche
13th Tirreno Adriatico + 1 stage
7th Dauphiné + 3 Top10 in stages
19th in Tour de France, he was very good climber in many stages
1st Artic Race of Norway
4th Deutchland Tour
Some results in 2018:
1st Tour of Oman
15th Tirreno Adriatico
2nd Presidential Tour of Turkey
And many victories in minor races 1.1 and Kazajhistan Championship, etc...
He has good secundary stats but I think he deserves more in the main stats too
Bye!!
Lutsenko has a huge RES stat which makes a difference. Also he peaks at certain moments and lacks consistency elsewhere in general and 75/75 is a reflection of this. With a 76/78 climbing stat he will be an even more powerful rider overall. I think an improvement on 75/75 is possible and something to look at over the coming months and he's also one of the hardest riders to stat.
Overall, any suggestions for his stats are welcome here.
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| MartijnVDD |
Posted on 22-02-2020 18:32
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Laurens Huys has had some promising results on hilly stages with uphill finish. |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 29-02-2020 10:30
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Thanks we will take a look at him and I have made a note.
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| j0nne |
Posted on 01-03-2020 21:00
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What COB stat does Søren Kragh deserve after yesterdays performance?
And how about Asgreen today? Performances like that have been few and far between since the doping era  |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 01-03-2020 22:14
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j0nne wrote:
What COB stat does Søren Kragh deserve after yesterdays performance?
And how about Asgreen today? Performances like that have been few and far between since the doping era
Based on these two races I have or will provisionally put these riders like so:
Kragh Anderson 78 Flat/74 Cob
Asgreen 78 or 79 Flat/75 Cob
I fancy Asgreen for 79 flat which would be the same as say Stuyven and Trentin for example. The one thing all four mentioned riders have in common is that their cobble stat is a number of points lower than their flat of which Stuyven is the best with 77. I expect Asgreen to improve his cobble over the spring classics and will also look at Kragh Anderson to see if he does well over the coming cobble races. The one thing all these riders have anyway is high RES which if in great race form can really excel.
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| j0nne |
Posted on 01-03-2020 22:31
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I was thinking along the same lines.
Kragh Andersen 74-75 COB
Asgreen 78-79 FLA / 75-76 COB |
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 01-03-2020 22:38
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Oh look, the Danes are back 
Let's just remember the big guys are not in top shape yet (or don't even bother to show up like Sagan or Bettiol) and with all the breakaways I don't think we've seen the best of GVA, Stybar and Naesen yet. SKA confirmed what he showed in 2017 G-W and Asgreen has last year's Ronde 2nd place. I would just say that both confirmed they can get a result in the right circumstances, but they're not top cobblers yet.
The stats posted above are the same I had in mind 
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 02-03-2020 07:54
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And Gonzalo Serrano (Caja Rural)??? Maybe 74 in hills? |
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 06-03-2020 11:34
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Jaime Sureda (Burgos BH) is riding very good, maybe 72 or 73 in SPR??? |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 06-03-2020 15:47
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Thanks Aizak and these two have been noted.
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| Arberg |
Posted on 15-03-2020 12:58
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How much have you given Quintana in the mountains ? |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 15-03-2020 13:54
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Arberg wrote:
How much have you given Quintana in the mountains ?
He's 80 at the moment but based on current form and his known previous ability that will probably go right back up. Problem though, is that with races being cancelled and clearly more cancellations to come we won't get to see him for a while. Also most other big riders are never really in great form this early in the season, so best not to get carried away with how much better he's climbing than them.
If enough people want him back to 81 that would also be realistic and going the other way, big names like Bardet and Nibali may well not be worth their high mtn ratings, so that is something to think about too.
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| Arberg |
Posted on 19-03-2020 15:22
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80 is ok  |
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 19-03-2020 16:54
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Tafiolmo wrote:
Arberg wrote:
How much have you given Quintana in the mountains ?
He's 80 at the moment but based on current form and his known previous ability that will probably go right back up. Problem though, is that with races being cancelled and clearly more cancellations to come we won't get to see him for a while. Also most other big riders are never really in great form this early in the season, so best not to get carried away with how much better he's climbing than them.
If enough people want him back to 81 that would also be realistic and going the other way, big names like Bardet and Nibali may well not be worth their high mtn ratings, so that is something to think about too.
Nibali finished 2nd in Giro last year, Bardet was dropped on the first serious climb in the Tour last year, how can they have the same mountain stat? And Bardet was not impressive in 2018 Tour either. Bardet has not done anything better than Quintana in the past 2 years over the mountains. ( Innsbruck WCH is a mixture of MO/HIL which Bardet would do very well in PCM with his high HIL stat )
The user formerly known as 'The Schleck Fan'
Gracias Alberto.
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| irdalopez |
Posted on 21-03-2020 17:03
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Stats David Dekker??
he was very strong in Le Samyn. |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 22-03-2020 17:23
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Forever: Good points and Bardet has been adjusted. He had a bad 2019 BUT was impressive in 2018 in the classics but not so much in the GT's but 6th in the Tour still would've warranted a high stat mtn rider that was just out of form, he's now 79 mtn. Nibali kept at 80 mtn and Quintana we decided to move to 81 because his back up stats as we've often stated are low even though we know he can ride well on the flat and in bad conditions, maybe we need to somehow incorporate that ability.
Irda: We are working on Dekker at the moment
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 22-03-2020 18:51
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Right now we're thinking 73 Flat 70 Cobbles 72 Sprint 70 Acceleration 72 Stamina 70 Resistance.
If he can sustain these results when racing starts again he'll surely be upgraded again though.
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