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ICL18 - General | Development
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 19-08-2018 16:59
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CROATIAN NATIONAL CHAMPION with Kovacic getting a puncture to seal the deal. hate that guy for not signing with me 
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| Bikex |
Posted on 22-08-2018 17:07
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In case you missed it it is still possible to send me draft tables!
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As already announced, the development system will change a lot this time. Each rider will develop according to one of the 7 different rider types used by the game. (Stage Race, Mountains, Time Trial, Sprint, Hills, Cobbles, Flat). To diversify the possible training options a secondary focus can be chosen for each rider.
With this it should be possible to create any possible rider type.
These are the Types knockout and me came up with so far:
Stage Race
Spoiler Mountains
Time Trial
Hills
Mountains
Spoiler Hills
Attacker (Focus on Sprint, Acceleration & Fighter)
Mountain Bike (Strong downhiller)
Time Trial
Spoiler Hills
Cobbles
Sprint
Flat
Prologue
Sprint
Spoiler Hills
Cobbles
Time Trial
Leadout
Prologue
Allround
Prologue
Classics (Cobbles & Hills)
Kick (Acceleration)
Hills
Spoiler Mountain
Sprint
Cobbles
Classics (Cobbles&Sprint)
Kick (Acceleration)
Time Trial
Cobbles
Spoiler Hill
Time Trial
Sprint
Classics
Kick (Acceleration)
Flat
Spoiler Hill
Sprint
Cobbles
Time Trial
Allround
Fighter
Diesel(Acceleration is traded for Resistance)
After selecting one of the 7 trainings, you get to do another choice regarding a secondary focus, so for example if you select the Sprint training for your rider you can make a second choice between the choices in the spoiler. So e.g if you choose Hill there your rider will turn into a strong sprinter with decent uphill capabilities. Basically any possible rider type should be become creatable with this.
Please let me know if there are any rider types missing you'd like to see possible.
Energy Stats as well as (with exceptions) Downhill and Fighter is distributed independently of these choices, but with another choice. |
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| cio93 |
Posted on 22-08-2018 17:21
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Gonna send something soon!
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 23-08-2018 01:42
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I'm a fan of that, great work you guys!
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant."
[ICL] Santos-Euskadi | [PT]  Xero Racing
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 23-08-2018 09:13
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Tim Wellens type maybe? Strong in the hills but also good on the flat. But all in all, I think it's maybe too much. 7 types and 3 subtypes each should suffice.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Bikex |
Posted on 23-08-2018 17:04
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Ollfardh wrote:
Tim Wellens type maybe? Strong in the hills but also good on the flat. But all in all, I think it's maybe too much. 7 types and 3 subtypes each should suffice.
Will add that
Why do you think less would be enough? |
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| Bikex |
Posted on 25-08-2018 20:39
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Riders Development
Download: Link
Open Office: https://www.mediafire.com/file/4diu8xk...e.ods/file (activate macros)
Time for the last task of ICL18, decide the training for your riders. This year the system was changed quite a lot.
If you do not care about how development exactly works, you can skip to the part where the file is explained.
Development Mechanics
Behind each stat there is a number that is between 0 and 1000. A basestat of 1000 will give the rider a stat of 85, 0 50. Which basestat is required for which stat can be seen in table 3.
Depending on the training you choose for a rider, there will be points added to his basestats. Each rider has 3 hidden development point pools, randomly assigned depending on his potential. Each season a rider gets points out of these pools to use for development: Points #1,#2,#3. The amount of points depends on various factors like age, potential, belonging to a dev team, race days used, success during the season, points left in pool.
Points #1 will be used for the main training you choose out of 7 options: Stage Race, Mountains, Time Trial, Sprint, Hills, Cobbles, Flat. Getting many points here will result in a high achievable main stat.
Points #2 will be used for a secondary focus you choose. The available secondary focusses depend on the first choice you did. Each choice has a standard option which will boost all backup stats. If you choose something else you might loose some points of your main stat gained from Points #1. For your secondary training you can choose a rate from 1-5 determining how much the rider wants to focus on his secondary choice. 5 being the maximum. If you choose anything lower, the remaining points will distributed according to the Standard training of your choice.
Points #3 are points spent on your Rider Personality. This influences the energy stats (Sta, Res, Rec), as well as Dh and Fi. You have 6 different choices there.
All of these points are rather arbitrary numbers and won't be directly converted into points -> 1 dev point <> 1 base stat point.
It is now possible that riders loose some base stat points (apart from general decline), before development. All these points lost are reassigned during. This influences older riders more than younger riders and riders close to or at their dev maximum more than riders still progressing. This should enable riders to refocus slightly and bring some dynamics into the database. This way it is also possible to slightly control how your rider declines naturally. This also means you get to do training choices for each of the riders on your team.
The Development File
As always, begin by adding your team ID into C2 in the "Team" tab. In "Teams" you can check for your ID in case you have forgotten.
In "Riders" you will see all your riders listed with their points to spend. You can do your development choices here like in the past. If you want to do that read the part at the end.
Go to the "Cockpit" tab to use the Development Cockpit, a new feature of the development file. Here you find much useful information on your riders while choosing their training. In row 11 you'll find 5 drop down selectors. Use them for your training choices. Start by selecting your first cyclist in the first selector. Information on him will appear. In the #1 selector you can choose the riders main training. In the #2 selector you can select the riders secondary training choice. In the R selector you can choose the 1-5 rate the rider is focusing on his secondary training. Even if selecting 5 the rider should usually progress stronger in your main choice. Exception could happen, if a rider gets much more #2 points than #1 points. In the P selector choose from the 6 possible rider personalities.
Information displayed in the Development cockpit:
Suggested: Suggests an automatically generated training plan for the rider. If you want to skip selecting trainings for some riders, these will be used for their development.
Riders Stats: In row 2 you see the riders actual stats. After selecting a training for him, they'll change to reflect the change. You can tick the "Hide Progress" box to show the old stats again.
Statpoints: There are 4 rows showing riders basestats: "Old Statpoints" showing the riders basestats of last season, "Change" will show the added points depending on your training selections, "New Statpoints" is obvious then, "Missing" are the points missing for the rider to improve this stat by 1.
Age(2018), Potential and Age of Decline of the rider are shown in V2-V4.
Statpoints: Below that you can see the statpoints to spend on a riders development. If #3 is 0, you do not need to choose any personality. If #2 is 0 still choose a secondary focus, as a small portion of #1 also goes there.
When done, check the "Riders" tab to make sure you have selected training for all the riders you want to select it. Afterwards fo to the "PM" tab and send me columns B-F in a table format as a PM.
You do not like the cockpit? There is still the option to do your development in the "Riders" tab. Read on if you want to do that. In U-W you see the proposed trainings. The standard rate of the secondary choice is always 2. In column Z put 1-7 to get your first choice. In column ZZ your choice will pop up. In column AB put your secondary choice, by putting 1-x. As there are different amount of secondary choices depending on your first choice, x can be different values. You have to try it out or check the "Trainings" tab. To help you in column AB you'll see your choice. Next change the rate of the influence of your Training#2 selection. Put a number between 1 and 5 in column AD. In column AE put anything between A-F for your personality choice. It will appear in column AF. Note: If you have used the selector before you might see a Personality choice in column AG. Anything you put in AE will overwrite that.
Important: Don't try to sort the tables in this file! This will only mess up the file. It seemed like too much work for me to fix this issue, it's part of the file since the very first season. The only thing you can do to change the order of your riders is to sort in the "DB" tab only before(!) starting your development!
Edited by Bikex on 27-08-2018 19:32
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| Bikex |
Posted on 25-08-2018 20:41
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Draft Deadline: If you still want to take part at the draft please send me your table until 8 CEST tomorrow (in ~22:20 hours). If you miss the draft you may still pick up talents afterwards.
Since there is quite a lot new in development, I'm eager to listen to any feedback on it. Let me know what you think of the changes. Also please report any bugs in the file or if you want a training for a specific rider type to be added or think a training is too OP/weak.
Finally thanks to knockout for helping me a lot with this.
No deadline for development for now! |
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| Bikex |
Posted on 25-08-2018 21:33
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As usually I did a dumb mistake when making the file so please in case you have downloaded it already, do again to fix it.  |
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| Bikex |
Posted on 25-08-2018 22:15
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Turns out I made things worse, should be fixed now for real. Sorry^^ |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 26-08-2018 04:07
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ohmygawd its here, the one file I waited for since VDP won the opening stage of toowoomba. best file, as very year.
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| Ripley |
Posted on 26-08-2018 07:43
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Awesome file, I love the cockpit! And the chance to make some radical changes if I so wish.
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| Shonak |
Posted on 26-08-2018 12:38
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love the cockpit, icl remains the bomb <3
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| hillis91 |
Posted on 26-08-2018 14:15
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This was awesome
Just sent it in
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| cio93 |
Posted on 26-08-2018 19:08
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Sent the draft table three minutes late because of several commitments today that didn't give me a much earlier opportunity to access the file. I hope I will be granted some lenience...
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| Bikex |
Posted on 26-08-2018 20:27
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Draft Results - Round 1
14 teams have decided to take part in the talents draft, the last part of the Scouting system. This is the draft order:
| 1 | Polestar Cyan ProCycling | | 2 | Vegeta Cycling Team | | 3 | Statoil Pro Cycling Team | | 4 | Bosch Cycling Team | | 5 | CCC Sprandi Polkowice | | 6 | Aviva Cycling Team | | 7 | Ceramica Panaria - Autogrill - Cipollini | | 8 | VisitUkraine p/b Nemiroff | | 9 | Lufthansa Racing Team | | 10 | Sevilla Cycling Team | | 11 | Team Alitalia | | 12 | Suntory Lucozade Sport | | 13 | Italo - Ventilair | | 14 | Liberty Seguros |
I'll post the results below, if you want to sign the rider you have drafted, after seeing his stats, just post in this thread and say so. Today I'll only post round 1 you can of course wait with your decision until after round 1.
Any other talent you are interested in can be added to next seasons db so you can sign it via the free agency then. If you have specific wishes for riders to be added let me know. All talents drafted will be added to next season's db even if not signed.
2 potential 6 riders are still left in the pool, let's see if anyone has got them!
Draft - Round 1 of 2
Polestar Cyan ProCycling
Spoiler 1348 Henning Sundbaum (18)
 SWD
Speciality: Flandrien
Potential: 5
| AVG | FL | MO | HI | TT | PL | CB | SP | AC | DH | FT | ST | RS | RC | | 62.4 | 60 | 59 | 59 | 64 | 63 | 64 | 59 | 58 | 66 | 60 | 57 | 59 | 58 |
Vegeta Cycling Team
Spoiler 837 Gasper Loncar (20)
CRO
Speciality: Stage Racer
Potential: 5
| AVG | FL | MO | HI | TT | PL | CB | SP | AC | DH | FT | ST | RS | RC | | 65.7 | 59 | 66 | 66 | 63 | 62 | 55 | 58 | 63 | 57 | 61 | 63 | 63 | 68 |
Statoil Pro Cycling Team
Spoiler 152 Leonardo Bonomi (21)
ITA (Sicilia)
Speciality: Puncheur
Potential: 5
| AVG | FL | MO | HI | TT | PL | CB | SP | AC | DH | FT | ST | RS | RC | | 68.4 | 66 | 67 | 70 | 57 | 60 | 59 | 63 | 66 | 66 | 64 | 66 | 61 | 61 |
Bosch Cycling Team
Spoiler 191 Gideon Bunz (19)
GER (Niedersachsen)
Speciality: Sprinter
Potential: 5
| AVG | FL | MO | HI | TT | PL | CB | SP | AC | DH | FT | ST | RS | RC | | 66.2 | 66 | 55 | 65 | 61 | 64 | 62 | 67 | 65 | 65 | 59 | 63 | 62 | 62 |
CCC Sprandi Polkowice
Spoiler 1074 Juan Manuel Palmero (21)
COL
Speciality: Stage Racer
Potential: 5
| AVG | FL | MO | HI | TT | PL | CB | SP | AC | DH | FT | ST | RS | RC | | 64.9 | 64 | 66 | 64 | 61 | 62 | 63 | 62 | 60 | 68 | 64 | 66 | 70 | 65 |
Aviva Cycling Team
Spoiler 936 Banga Mhembere (20)
ZIM
Speciality: Flandrien
Potential: 5
| AVG | FL | MO | HI | TT | PL | CB | SP | AC | DH | FT | ST | RS | RC | | 66.7 | 66 | 59 | 60 | 66 | 67 | 68 | 61 | 62 | 69 | 64 | 61 | 63 | 66 |
Ceramica Panaria - Autogrill - Cipollini
Spoiler 1394 Manuel Torres (21)
CRC
Speciality: Stage Racer
Potential: 6
| AVG | FL | MO | HI | TT | PL | CB | SP | AC | DH | FT | ST | RS | RC | | 72,0 | 69 | 73 | 72 | 71 | 71 | 55 | 59 | 62 | 65 | 64 | 65 | 70 | 69 |
VisitUkraine p/b Nemiroff
Spoiler 1486 Tim Wanski (18)
GER (Rheinland-Pfalz)
Speciality: Puncheur
Potential: 5
| AVG | FL | MO | HI | TT | PL | CB | SP | AC | DH | FT | ST | RS | RC | | 63.8 | 62 | 59 | 63 | 59 | 59 | 61 | 64 | 62 | 62 | 60 | 66 | 62 | 61 |
Lufthansa Racing Team
Spoiler 1493 Moritz Welter (18)
LUX
Speciality: Puncheur
Potential: 4
| AVG | FL | MO | HI | TT | PL | CB | SP | AC | DH | FT | ST | RS | RC | | 61.7 | 62 | 60 | 61 | 52 | 56 | 52 | 56 | 59 | 58 | 54 | 64 | 59 | 59 |
Sevilla Cycling Team
Spoiler 1183 Ali Reddy (20)
OMA
Speciality: Fighter
Potential: 5
| AVG | FL | MO | HI | TT | PL | CB | SP | AC | DH | FT | ST | RS | RC | | 67.1 | 66 | 54 | 57 | 58 | 62 | 58 | 66 | 68 | 77 | 69 | 68 | 64 | 65 |
Team Alitalia
Spoiler 37 Jean-Yves Andres (21)
FRA (Auvergne)
Speciality: Stage Racer
Potential: 5
| AVG | FL | MO | HI | TT | PL | CB | SP | AC | DH | FT | ST | RS | RC | | 67.3 | 63 | 67 | 65 | 67 | 65 | 58 | 59 | 62 | 73 | 58 | 64 | 65 | 69 |
Suntory Lucozade Sport
Spoiler 256 Àngel Chico (20)
ESP (Galicia)
Speciality: Fighter
Potential: 5
| AVG | FL | MO | HI | TT | PL | CB | SP | AC | DH | FT | ST | RS | RC | | 66.5 | 69 | 57 | 66 | 60 | 62 | 57 | 65 | 66 | 72 | 63 | 63 | 63 | 62 |
Italo - Ventilair
Spoiler 623 Carl Ibraev (20)
KAZ
Speciality: Climber
Potential: 5
| AVG | FL | MO | HI | TT | PL | CB | SP | AC | DH | FT | ST | RS | RC | | 68.6 | 65 | 67 | 68 | 61 | 59 | 56 | 56 | 67 | 76 | 76 | 60 | 65 | 63 |
Liberty Seguros
Spoiler 830 Enmanuel Lloret (18)
ESP (Castilla-la_mancha)
Speciality: Puncheur
Potential: 3
| AVG | FL | MO | HI | TT | PL | CB | SP | AC | DH | FT | ST | RS | RC | | 58.7 | 57 | 54 | 58 | 53 | 57 | 58 | 55 | 59 | 58 | 62 | 60 | 57 | 57 |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 26-08-2018 20:38
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No thanks 
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| Ripley |
Posted on 26-08-2018 20:55
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Damnit, Torres was my 2nd choice! Congrats, Krisa! Dunno if I want Mhembere, he's too weak and I won't have a dev team (yet).
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| Bikex |
Posted on 26-08-2018 21:07
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Ripley wrote:
Damnit, Torres was my 2nd choice! Congrats, Krisa! Dunno if I want Mhembere, he's too weak and I won't have a dev team (yet).
I was surprised Torres was picked up rather late. Imo he was clearly the best rider left, especially with his results in the U21 WC. But probably the break was too long for people to remember.
He was top of the draft table only of 3 teams: Alitalia, Italo & Sevilla
Meanwhile Bonomi (imo also a great choice) was top of 5 draft lists: Statoil, Bosch, CCC, Ceramica Panaria & Suntory |
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| dominox |
Posted on 26-08-2018 21:14
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Holy molly! Torres looks like a beast! That was a great pick! I decided to focus on my nations so only Polish, Italian and Colombian riders are in my draft list
Btw. That Development file... Masterpiece |
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