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| Bikex |
Posted on 09-03-2018 17:34
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fjhoekie wrote:
I do not like this new system for a single bit to be honest. Or actually, I do like it, but I do not like it getting implemented right now.
Reason is simple: I assumed scouting would stay the same, and I based my team's transfers on that assumption. Had I known about this beforehand, I would most likely have kept more money as right now it's just impossible, more or less, for my team to continue my big focus on regional talents as I simply have no money left in the bank.
Severe mistake if you'd ask me.
Added some regions though I thought would make sense.
I have said already several times that the scouting system would change and that it will be more rewarding to keep money back, compared to the previous system. Also you could've voiced your concerns, when I asked about it in this thread a few weeks ago.
Still, taking the teams into account that didn't plan on a new system, I have made the scouts cheaper than how I planned first. Every team has enough money to sign at least 2 scouts (and still has money left).
Contrary to what you said, the new system rewards teams that have a regional focus on talents, as only teams that send their scouts there will get to know about the riders from these countries. If a big potential rider appears in one of your few countries the chance for a concurrent team bidding on him is lower than in the previous system.
Something else: The possibility to pay wages out of the Scouting budget will be removed. |
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| fjhoekie |
Posted on 09-03-2018 17:37
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I'll deal with it, no problem. My team's good for the coming years already, so a hit this year would not be too bad, and my dev team seems to be useless no matter what anyways either (except Kurlovich, Kurlovich is cool).
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| nacho63 |
Posted on 09-03-2018 17:46
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Nacho63 will again join the game with a team for next season, so I gave him a small budget so he can already take part in the Scouting.
Comeback 
Cheers Bikex |
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 09-03-2018 17:56
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nacho63 wrote:
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Nacho63 will again join the game with a team for next season, so I gave him a small budget so he can already take part in the Scouting.
Comeback
Cheers Bikex
welcome back! and a wink for other managers that may be interested for the 2019 season and that want to participate in scouting already 
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| knockout |
Posted on 09-03-2018 18:11
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Probably wrong thread but I didnt want to revive the transfer discussion so i'm writing it down here:
I'm listening to offers for my draft pick.
Spoiler Hard to rate the new system without testing how it's run or at least further information. I'm not a fan of not having at least a list of all rider names and age at the start and I also think that one should be allowed to sign riders earlier. If you could sign riders round one that would make for some interesting decisions.
Also as much as i love drafts in sport, i don't think it fits into the game as you indicated. Either do a draft first or don't do one imo
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| hillis91 |
Posted on 09-03-2018 18:16
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Side note:
Sent my scouting table.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 09-03-2018 18:56
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knockout wrote:
Hard to rate the new system without testing how it's run or at least further information. I'm not a fan of not having at least a list of all rider names and age at the start and I also think that one should be allowed to sign riders earlier. If you could sign riders round one that would make for some interesting decisions.
Also as much as i love drafts in sport, i don't think it fits into the game as you indicated. Either do a draft first or don't do one imo
I think it might work to bring signing riders forwards a bit, to round 5 or 6. But i guess this way it allows time for many teams to search their areas and find the good talents. This would lead to a contest for their signature and make them more expensive, which makes sense. Certainly compared to round one where you could find the best talent and get them before anyone else even knows they exist, which i'm not a fan of.
A draft i think makes sense. Imagine a couple of good talents get missed, instead of going FA and then to a team with budget to spare (a good WT team), a new team or weak team can pick them up instead. This will create parity over time, or they can be sold, and there's always steals.
On first thoughts i didn't think it worked with the rest of the game set-up as it is, but i think it's actually a good way to do things.
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| knockout |
Posted on 09-03-2018 19:35
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As i said i need more information on it to really have an opinion on it but as far as i understood it: Teams will have scouted their primary countries and will have signed those who look interesting to them.
I know the advantages of a draft and i love it in the right concept but to me this implementation doesnt look well suited. Imagine the NFL teams could sign all the Darnolds, Barkleys, Chubbs and Mayfields of the draft and then there'd be a draft for the talents that now go undrafted.
I can imagine that this might work decently this season because few teams have planned for a big scouting budget but as soon as many teams will plan to get more and better scouts we'll basically be drafting crap and exots in the draft and then the draft would be pointless.
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| Ripley |
Posted on 09-03-2018 19:59
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Something else: The possibility to pay wages out of the Scouting budget will be removed.
Will signings be paid from next year's budgets? Because I don't have any left over now! Would be sad to scout riders and then not able to hire them.
If the draft leads to some good talents ending up with lowly CT teams, I'm all for it. Even (or especially  ) if that means the draft will be pointless for the WT winner.
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| Bikex |
Posted on 10-03-2018 00:21
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I'll clean up the mess in the spreadsheet tomorrow. You can still add your regions if you want, I'll notice them. |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 10-03-2018 00:37
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First things first, I love the system. Having tested it, for me it is the most awesome tool to get a rider from discovery to superstardom. It favors local dev teams, yes. But this is critically needed in fact. So far international oriented squads clearly had the upper hand. Let's be honest, there shouldn't be international dev squads in the first place. It is contradictory, or only smthg you can only pull off with a large investment. If you are willing to invest 500 into scouting, you should be have a valid chance to get the best riders. In the past, it was too easy, way too easy to obatain high quality pots.
I applaud bikex for his continous drive to improve and innovative this game. Mucho love. <3
I literally have no idea why people would complain about their lack of scouting budget. It is something that was said right from the beginning, that the freaking scouting system would change. This is not news to anybody guys  I personally didn't listen much to it but it is nothing that can be blamed on bikex or the game. That said, if you have a solid dev team then it is likely you can finance one quality scout with it. That is enough. I am actually against cheaping the scouts. I found the 4/6 with free budget for one scout a perfect trade-off. I'd honestly recommend to switch back.
Not sure why drafts are a big issue. If all goes well, there won't be much high pos left anyway after the scouting phase. I mean, literally, why would i be entitled to high pots when I don't spend money on discovering them. The issue knockout described is a non-issue to me, tbh. And honestly, for me it is okay that weak teams get at least one advantage over the PT teams, they already have enough advangates on the monetary side.
@Ripley: I always financed my dev riders out of the main budget. If your intention is to add a dev team next year (highyl recommend) you'll get +1200 anyway, so you'll be a spending spree.
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 10-03-2018 09:41
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Will check out the file next week. I'm not really against such a new system, but I agree that everyone should get a small budget so they can really try out the system. Maybe give everyone a 200 cash boost instead of the usual 100?
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Bikex |
Posted on 12-03-2018 13:05
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I'm gonna be away for a week from later today, but will now send out the scouting spreadsheets to anyone who has sent me his scouts already, so you can already start the first round.
I'll explain the sheet better when I'm back. For now you just need to put the ID of the region you want to send a scout to next to him in the corresponding cell in the "Scouts" tab.
You can check out the region IDs of the approved scouting regions here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...sp=sharing
Once you have decided on where to send your scouts and put that in the file, send me a message saying you did.
Edited by Bikex on 12-03-2018 13:28
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| Bikex |
Posted on 12-03-2018 13:25
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Have sent out all sheets now, if I missed you or something is wrong let me know. If you haven't sent me your scouts yet you are of course still welcome to do so.
Also regions can still added to the ScoutingRegions file linked on the page before. |
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| Ripley |
Posted on 12-03-2018 13:29
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Can we expect a PCM-like distribution? Will I find less riders in Andorra than in Belgium? And if I find anybody in Andorra, will he more likely be a climber? Or is it going to be evenly distributed?
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| Bikex |
Posted on 12-03-2018 13:32
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The quantity of riders generated is mostly based on how many riders of a nation/region are in the db and on how much are signed up in a team.
-> Big cycling nations generate more riders, but the number generated can be influenced by a team heavily focusing on a nation.
Also the rider type is dependent on the region, so yes an Andorran is more likely to be a climber than a cobbler. |
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 12-03-2018 13:33
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Pff, I want to make progress with the scouting, but the region selection is just too hilarious to skip 
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Bikex |
Posted on 19-03-2018 17:43
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Scouting Sheets
In the Scouting Sheet you do the actual Scouting. You get an individual sheet with your Scouts added.
The first thing you want to do is to send each Scout in a Scouting Region. You can check the list of approved regions in this sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...sp=sharing
Put the ID of the region you want to send a scout to next to him in the corresponding cell in the "Scouts" tab.
If you want to add another region that's not in the approved file, you can do that in this file: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...sp=sharing
Scouting Regions file explanation from the introduction post in the spoiler:Spoiler If you want to have a scouting region added, please just expand the list. Enter a name for the region and the 3 letter codes of all countries(max 10) you want to include next to it.
If the region makes sense I'll approve it. There is some stuff to consider: The countries you add do have to have a connection. You can't for example add a region including Peru and Taiwan.
You can't make a region too big, by including many bigger (cycling) countries in a region. For example combining Netherlands and Belgium into a scouting region is not allowed, as that would be a too big talent pool. Italy and San Marino or Spain and Andorra would be accepted on the other hand.
Some countries have many added regions in PCM already, so it is also possible to focus on some of them if you like. Look into the tab "Regions" to see what is part of the game. You can include any of these regions into your created Scouting Regions. For example if your focus would be Basque you could combine Spanish and French regions into a Scouting zone. For that just copy the name of the regions exactly like it is in the file into the line of your scouting region.
If you want to send several Scouts to the same country it might be a good idea to split up that countrys regions into several so the scouts don't cross each others path
Always message me after you have given your Scout instructions for the next round. I'll then enter the Scouting Reports. Check the last paragraph of this post to see how to make a scout focus on a specific rider.
Scouting Reports
I'm going to start reponding with scouting reports to those that have sent their scout already some place. The reports are not difficult to understand but here are some information to understand all the columns:
Nationality: Not only the nationality but also the region if a country is divided by regions.
Speciality: Main speciality of a talent, possible entries are one of these 7: Stage Racer, Climber, Timetrialist, Sprinter, Puncheur, Flandrien, Fighter
Pot: Before finally knowing the exact potential your scout will collect his impressions on a riders potential. If an impression is good a "+" will be added if it is bad you'll see a "-". The higher the potential the higher the chance for a "+".
AVG: current averge of a rider, the more investigated he gets the more accurate it gets.
Source: Scout that found this rider.
Month: Round a rider was found
Changed: Marked if in the last update the accuracy of a report was increased.
Pot6/7: Probability, depending on your reports in the Pot column, a rider is potential 6 or 7.
Wage: The minimum wage you have to pay if you want to sign this rider. Does not tell you anything new about a rider, as the wage is calculated by using the report you got.
Edit: You can ignore the wage column, these wages won't be applied!
Notes: This column can be used by you if you want to make notes in the file.
The "#" and "Notes" column was not included in the initial file sent to you, but will be added when you receive your first report.
I will message you after I have added reports to your scouting sheets. As until round 8 no riders can be signed you can continue with your scouting until that point already. Just update your scouts tab for the next round and send me another message. Either leave a scout in a region or change it. If you do the first, the reports of riders he has found in previous rounds in that regions gain accuracy.
From round 2 on you can make a scout focus on up to 3 specific riders he has found. Just enter the rider IDs in the respective cells. The Id of a rider can be found in the "ID" column not the "#" column. By doing that the quality of the scouting report on these riders increase quickly. If you decide to make a scout focus on less than 3 riders, the reports on the 2 or 1 riders you let him investigate, get even better.
Edited by Bikex on 01-04-2018 12:01
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| dominox |
Posted on 19-03-2018 17:53
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I could try scouting, but I still don't know if with those 100 I can do anything. Yeah, I can do one really decent scout, but what more? Is it just worth it? |
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| Bikex |
Posted on 19-03-2018 17:56
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dominox wrote:
I could try scouting, but I still don't know if with those 100 I can do anything. Yeah, I can do one really decent scout, but what more? Is it just worth it?
I don't know if it will be worth if for you, but the chance is that it will be. You should try it, as there is no other way to use that 100 budget. |
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