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career mode: riderfitness for objectives
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| Woitacki |
Posted on 24-07-2017 10:19
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Hi,
I have a Problem and I wanted to ask if you have the same Problem or if you have tips for me:
In career mode I decide for every rider 3 objectives in the season and I make the Training schedule ready so that the rider has a Fitness over 90 at the time of the objectives. I try that the rider has enough races before the objective, round about 20 racedays in the last 35 days before and I try to stay under 50 fatigue Level.
Everything works fine, the only Problem is that you have to get 100 Points to get this extra fitness bonus ( don´t know what it´s called in english) activated
Most of the time I get this extra Bonus after the end of the race.
So when my objective is Paris Nice I get the message 1 week after the race is finished that this Bonus is now activated.
At Grand tours it´s better because they last so long, so it often works that I get it after 10 days or so.
Do you have a trick?
What worked for me is that I choose for example Gent Wevelgem in end of march as an objective to be in top Fitness at Paris Roubaix in begin/mid April. |
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| Tha_Reaper |
Posted on 24-07-2017 19:07
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try to plan exactly that it activates after the last preparation race, or even earlier, as long as that race after which it activates is at most 2 weeks from your important race.
i suck at planning the peaks. The peak bonus usually runs out before my main objective... |
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| Lamba |
Posted on 25-07-2017 11:17
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I'm just about giving up on my be a pro career. I've played 5 seasons now and it still seems completely random to me wether I hit the fitness peak or not and then all of a sudden the plan goes from no tiredness peaks (>50%) to near 80.
I don't even think I'm greedy with my planning, but my rider is usually ready to die before NC. |
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| blybzzer |
Posted on 26-07-2017 07:53
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Lamba - I get the exact same problem. At the start of the season and throughout the rides, I continue to update my training, but even though it would say I should be getting lets say 50 % tiredness, im now stuck at 87 % just before Vulata. This is my 3.rd season, and I dont know how to propperly plan the training  ...
Rides with Cofidis - 
Got tips to ride a good tour with them, pleace feel free to pm me |
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| Darui |
Posted on 26-07-2017 08:48
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Hey,
I just play be a pro right now. When i plan my season fitness and main objectives i always decide which one is most important and then just trying to set up it myself. I noticed that my rider can get peak form- from one preparation race
- peak always hapens when your fitness is on highest level, and won't get higher
I'll give an example. My rider rides from beginning of the season some CWT stage races and then I let him rest a bit. Then i just ride Tour de Romandie as preparation and because my rider is quite rested so he can start Giro at 98% fitness and hold it through all Giro. My peak from is from start of Giro.
-you can't hold peak for 3 weeks so its better to plan it for 3rd week of the race
-about tiredness, i watch my fitness and make some changes during the season, because the game seems to don"t realize that you just don't ride with your rider in pack, but you are racing as well.
(sorry for that mess, im bad at english. I hope a was somehow helpfull) |
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| Woitacki |
Posted on 31-07-2017 10:45
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Had another complete season and didn´t make any Peak form for any rider to the objective.
It´s always too late.
Talking about Team career mode, not pro cyclist mode.
Anybody can Show me a plan Races and Training how they got to a Peak form for their first objective in the year in time?
Normally I´m good at planning and I don´t know how I could make things better. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 31-07-2017 10:49
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In Pro Cyclist I've managed peaking almost perfectly.
The thing is, peaking 3 times at 100% is too hard, especially on fatigue. So I usually peak twice at 85/90% and once at 100% (usually 3rd week of a GT).
The trick is to take into account that races add extra to fatigue but also to fitness, so you have to plan breaks. And the second trick is to look at where your race starts, especially in 1 week races or 1 day races were it is hard to peak correctly, and then at 4/5 weeks of hard training the weeks before.
It's still hit and miss, but I've managed to hit the peak perfectly in races like LBL even, which I always found very hard to do.
The stupid thing of the system is that it is week based. So your fitness doesn't grow from day to day as it should. So one week you might be just behind your peak, and the next week you are suddenly in your peak form, and the race only has 2 stages left.. Something like that. It makes perfect planning very tricky |
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| Woitacki |
Posted on 31-07-2017 13:08
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In Pro Cyclist mode I also managed to peak.
It was more easy there.
But I don´t manage to peak in time in team career mode.
It seems to me Buggy.
When I choose a one day race as an objective I can´t peak there.
I have to choose a race 1 or 2 weeks before as an objective then I can peak at this one day race. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 31-07-2017 15:11
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You have to manually edit the training schedule per rider. Just chosing objectives is not enough |
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| Woitacki |
Posted on 01-08-2017 10:42
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ruben wrote:
You have to manually edit the training schedule per rider. Just chosing objectives is not enough
I know that.
I´m playing this game for a long time now.
I make an exact planning for every rider every season.
But at the Moment I think that it´s impossible to get to Peak form at Milan San Remo or Paris Roubaix when you choose it as an objective.
In Team Career Mode !!!
In Pro Cyclist it´s possible.
Can somebody show me Screens how he managed it?
Or is it a bug?
Edited by Woitacki on 01-08-2017 10:49
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| diabolicpanda |
Posted on 01-08-2017 14:46
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I managed peak condition at MSR. The trick is to use only 'hard' or 'pause/break' training schedules, as a full week of no training or race reduces the fatigue by an insane amount.
Ex: Your sprinter start at 'very high' fitness at the beginning of the season. Then he takes a week of reducing the fatigue to 0%.
Then he races Tour Down Under, Evans Ocean Race and Dubai while on highest training level. Then he takes the week between Dubai and Oman off. This again reduces his fatigue to 0%.
If he races Herald Sun Tour instead of Dubai it wont work as this race overlaps two weeks, and just one day of racing in a week increases fatigue. Pretty annoying bug.
So after the week off after Dubai it's hard training while racing Oman, Abu Dhabi and Tirreno Adriatico.
You then arrive at MSR at 100% condition, with form peak and at 26% fatigue.
Take the full week after MSR off, and you're ready to ride Gent Wevelgem at 99%, form peak and 8% fatigue. |
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| Woitacki |
Posted on 01-08-2017 15:03
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diabolicpanda wrote:
I managed peak condition at MSR. The trick is to use only 'hard' or 'pause/break' training schedules, as a full week of no training or race reduces the fatigue by an insane amount.
Ex: Your sprinter start at 'very high' fitness at the beginning of the season. Then he takes a week of reducing the fatigue to 0%.
Then he races Tour Down Under, Evans Ocean Race and Dubai while on highest training level. Then he takes the week between Dubai and Oman off. This again reduces his fatigue to 0%.
If he races Herald Sun Tour instead of Dubai it wont work as this race overlaps two weeks, and just one day of racing in a week increases fatigue. Pretty annoying bug.
So after the week off after Dubai it's hard training while racing Oman, Abu Dhabi and Tirreno Adriatico.
You then arrive at MSR at 100% condition, with form peak and at 26% fatigue.
Take the full week after MSR off, and you're ready to ride Gent Wevelgem at 99%, form peak and 8% fatigue.
Thank you very much.
I was searching for such an explanation.
I will try that later. |
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| jakobbe |
Posted on 01-08-2017 16:50
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If you have a rider who need to top at the giro, which objective will you take as the first from januar til april? |
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| Gentleman |
Posted on 01-08-2017 20:05
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What you might have missed is that an objective is default the 'fitness peak'. It doesn't take into account that you might want to reach that peak a week earlier, but I suppose it's aimed at the grand tours where your peak carries over for the entire event. I sometimes give a rider a mere 80-85% fitness for an objective because it's too short to reach two peaks in that time. And honestly, with the meager rider-management the game has you can easily promise them an objective and with them finishing top 10 it's still a success. Which can often still be reached with 85%, which allows you to reach that peak a few weeks later where he can actually win - or finish top 5.
Keep in mind that despite an objective you can still adjust the fitness schedule for a rider so that he reaches peak form a week or two before the objective. It takes a little more time but with some micromanagement things get easier afterwards. The only thing not visible in your schedule is how many races you need to fill up the rest with rhythm. That might throw off your planning a bit, especially when a race suddenly boosts your fitness level because your rhythm is at its peak, so play around with that for a bit to see what works and what doesn't.
Also important is that you time when your breaks happen. If you have even 1 day of racing in that week your break is practically useless. That means you sometimes have to skip a race in order to fit into your schedule. And keep an eye on your fitness. After a few weeks where you added a rider into a race because you need a lineup your preparation schedule might have changed due to him getting fitter fast or your break gets nullified because you accidentally overlapped a race with your break-week. That requires some careful micromanagement and slight adjustions. |
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| Woitacki |
Posted on 02-08-2017 12:18
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Ok it works for me now.
The trick is to use only hard Training or breaks.
I didn´t know that.
Now it works really good to reach peak form at objective or even before without getting too high fatigue level. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 02-08-2017 12:56
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Yep, same trick as in previous pcm's. I wonder if peaking for 3 gt's is possible |
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| MacC |
Posted on 08-08-2017 13:45
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I just got my first peak (pro mode0. Some stats were increased by 10 points on the day- is that normal? |
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| rysiox |
Posted on 08-08-2017 16:38
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MacC wrote:
I just got my first peak (pro mode0. Some stats were increased by 10 points on the day- is that normal?
some secondary stats like resistance or stamina will increase by 10 in the peak form |
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| Broth3r |
Posted on 09-08-2017 11:01
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ruben wrote:
Yep, same trick as in previous pcm's. I wonder if peaking for 3 gt's is possible
Not 100%, but 90something + peak bonus is possible. Just managed to pull off all three in a season (on normal, granted).
The thing that baffled me the most in fitness were breaks. Any race in a break weak cancels the fatigue reduction, despite the fatigue prediction and the fact that it does affect fitness regardless - so you would train 14% for a break week with one race, but gain fatigue as if you were training hard.
With that figured out, I managed to do it by have two weeks break after the Tour and Giro, and most importantly arriving at the latter fresh. On one of my first seasons I couldn't even do Giro-Vuelta because I overcooked it in the Giro, and even the three months weren't enough to rest and peak again. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 03-09-2017 18:34
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Yeah I figured that out after my first play through. A race in a break weak is no fatigue reduction. Totally ridicolous but hey.. |
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