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Tiredness prediction not accurate?
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| eple |
Posted on 21-06-2017 12:30
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This is in pro cyclist mode.
2 months before my season objective I fine-tune my training to get as much fitness for the race without crossing the 50% tiredness threshold. I get it tuned to 96% fitness - 49% tiredness.
I simulate 3 weeks making no changes and then check again. I'm now projected to have the same fitness but 78% tiredness during the race.
Am I doing something wrong? |
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| eple |
Posted on 21-06-2017 12:42
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And again...
I added a break before the objective and all seems fine with slightly lower fitness but well below 50% tiredness.
I advance through the weeks and the in the week before the objective my tiredness is now up to 69%. |
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| cio93 |
Posted on 21-06-2017 13:44
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Last year, it was the other way around and you could maintain your fitness longer than predicted until fatigue became an issue.
So if this is a general issue, I would assume it's because Cyanide identified the problem but ended up overshooting and created the opposite scenario. I wouldn't be surprised.
From the little bits I've seen others play the game, it did appear that the fatigue curve was way too optimistic, especially when it comes to reducing fatigue again with a short training break.
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| eple |
Posted on 21-06-2017 16:14
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Something strange is going on with it.
Starting a new season I set the objectives and did no changes whatsoever after that
Tiredness was estimated to be 33% for my first objective.
It went slightly up occasionally, then simulating the first stage of a tour it randomly jumped up by 11%
I then quit to menu in a team time trial that never seemed to finish and upon reloading it had jumped by another 15%.
So 2 weeks before my objective the projected tiredness is at 64% |
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| sierramike |
Posted on 22-06-2017 11:13
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Yes it changes.I think it might be the races themselves that aren't counted in when you first plan.% wk. - work-rate percentage under graphic)
It had the same issue 2 "fitness-systems" ago.
Edited by sierramike on 22-06-2017 11:23
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| Ripley |
Posted on 22-06-2017 11:51
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Yeah, looks like an old problem in new packaging - never trust the tiredness prognosis. Don't ever train really hard. In the old system (I'm still playing PCM 14) there were 6 levels of training intensity. Never use the top level and be very careful with level 5, too. And the automatic training levels (based on the automatic objectives) are always too high, I have to lower them for every rider every season. Probably not much use for PCM 17, but here's my standard setting for a classics rider in PCM 14:
Only up to level 4 out of 6, the rider will never be in top form, but close enough. |
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| cunego59 |
Posted on 22-06-2017 12:12
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sierramike wrote:
Yes it changes.I think it might be the races themselves that aren't counted in when you first plan.% wk. - work-rate percentage under graphic)
It had the same issue 2 "fitness-systems" ago.
Yes, races add to tiredness. Go to the screen where you can choose the races you're participating in, and add them to your schedule. You'll see the accurate prediction.
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| sierramike |
Posted on 22-06-2017 12:19
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Ripley wrote:
Yeah, looks like an old problem in new packaging - never trust the tiredness prognosis. Don't ever train really hard. In the old system (I'm still playing PCM 14) there were 6 levels of training intensity. Never use the top level and be very careful with level 5, too.
Only up to level 4 out of 6, the rider will never be in top form, but close enough.
Glad you agree Ripley,it's an old problem,but I have to totally disagree on the solution (for pcm17,you are right about pcm14)
Best way here is hard(est)-hard-hard -break training,since break drops tiredness spectacularly and easy-hard doesn't make much difference on tiredness increase.
Graphic only shows tiredness above 50,hover over it to get exact %.Best solution is to check every couple of weeks & make adjustments when to have the break-week to keep tiredness below 50,meanwhile it's doable to have 90-95 % fitness the whole year without high tiredness. |
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| eple |
Posted on 22-06-2017 13:54
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I'm starting to get a handle on it by just watching it and adjusting accordingly. It makes hitting a fitness peak for 2nd and 3rd season goal a bit difficult, but I guess I could see it as a welcomed challenge.
I went in to the Giro with only 82% fitness because I had to take an extra break week. In the last week I had 94% which is okay I guess. |
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Posted on 25-06-2017 12:07
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Here are some pics to show the wierdness
1st pic: 1st of March almost no tiredness
2nd pic: Progressed to March 8th at the start of Tirr-Adri and tiredness is pedicted to get very high all of a sudden.
3rd: Exiting the save and reloading it pushes tiredness even higher
Notice the graphs at the bottom as well 
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| Gentleman |
Posted on 25-06-2017 15:36
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Well, in the first screenshot I see you've hit the fitness peak (Fitness > 95%), which is the best condition you can have - plus you can only maintain it for 3 weeks before getting extremely tired. If you also ride the Tirreno in the meantime, make sure you at least set your training to 'Break', otherwise the training + race both add to your tiredness. At least that happens in my career game (not pro cyclist mode). But if you hit your fitness peak, you probably have already a pretty decent tiredness.
Also, if you reach the point where you actually pass the 95%, your fitness will continue to go up if you ride a race even if you set training to 'Break', technically bringing your fitness peak to the max. This gives you so much tiredness, that you need to 'sit out' your fitness peak and then use at least 3 weeks of 'Break' training to reduce your tiredness to 0%. Which makes it pretty difficult to get to your next fitness peak if you had the first during the TdF and planned the Vuelta as your next peak.
So, my opinion: do not use the fitness peak unless you really want to win something. A teammate who needs to be in good form throughout the year goes hard-hard-break-easy in a sequence, technically keeping him around 82-88% fitness. You could also plan it to be 88-94% but I haven't tried that yet.
Also, did you include the Tirreno in your fitness schedule already? Like cunego59 said: if you ride a race it adds to your tiredness. But if you didn't include it in your schedule and suddenly ride it anyway, the tiredness calculator kicks in and recalculates. That might explain the sudden spike. |
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| sierramike |
Posted on 26-06-2017 04:47
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If you feel this is ruining your game: use an editor to change the tiredness look for the value_i_fat_phy in table dyn_cyclist_fitness.
the value goes from 0 (0%tiredness) to 32760 (49% tiredness) ,then goes from -32760 (50 %) to -1 (100 %) . |
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| Champ_Armstrong |
Posted on 07-02-2018 10:07
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does anyone have a screen of the best fitness parameters you need in order to compete in all 3 grand tours with good fitness - and not getting too tired at the Vuelta? |
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| ruben |
Posted on 26-02-2018 21:01
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I plan my GT peaks to be at 85% fitness at the start of a GT. And plan at least 2 rest weeks without races after each GT.
I've managed to be in top shape for both Giro and Tour that way (winning both), while winning the Vuelta with a bit lesser form (started 82%).
Alternatively if your rider is strong enough (legendary stage racer), you could also undercook the Giro a bit (81/82%) and Tour and Vuelta at 85/86%.
It's very important to try and not be 100% anywhere in the GT's, usually the races you do in prep up your fitness so compared to the planning, you'll end up starting GT's at 90% rather than the 85 we plan for. |
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