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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 24-04-2017 11:42
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It is so close. My favorite grand tour for last 10 years.
I was just looking true stage profiles..
Jesus christ ..5 days mountains stages 16.-20..and TT after that at Milan.
Didi Riis123 made this profiles?
I remember how previous race director got fired after making Giro mad hard for riders.
At home front of TV it will be fun, still tough one.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 24-04-2017 12:32
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Also my favourite GT obviously...and last year was really epic, with all that drama in last three-four stages, with Zakarin, Chaves, Kruijswiijk and ofc Nibbles and his legendary comeback.
I dont mind the mad routes of Giro, i love it as spectator. 
This year with 100th edition and so many great stage racers coming should be also remarkable.
I suppose that Quintana is the biggest favourite, followed by Nibali, Kruijswijk and Pinot. Who else, these guys?
Yates brothers
TVG (Dennis)
Dumoulin
Zakarin
Landa (or G?)
Pozzo
Cannondale green army of Formolo, Woods and Dombo?
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 24-04-2017 12:41
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Has it become a strange fetish of yours to mock me at every possibility? I don't see anything else in your posts, but it doesn't surprise me.
The best race on the calendar for me, but unfortunately the route isn't quite up to 2015 or even 2016 standards. Still decent, don't get me wrong, but it lacks the classic, long and unpredictable transitional stage for banana-skin GC-action. Stage 11 has the potential, but its too easy late on. The route is, honestly, a child's game compared to 2011 (which is the year you are referring to when Zomegnan was fired for making it too hard). 
Quintana the huge favourite. Honestly can't see anyone else winning if he doesn't crash, he is one, if not two levels above everyone else here. |
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| Selwink |
Posted on 24-04-2017 12:48
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Top 10 lists still a thing? I predict Quintana for the win, a bit in the same fashion like Contador in 2011 (with a similar) TdF outcome.
Kruijswijk is second in my list. Possibly a bias in there, but on the other hand, I have the idea he was better in his prep races than in the last year, so I think the signs are good.
Nibali still for third.
For the points, it's incredibly tough to predict what the sprinters will do. It's hard to see any real sprinter with enough points survive the last week and I don't think the GC riders will ride for every stage. I've gone for a long shot in my list.
1. Quintana
2. Kruijswijk
3. Nibali
4. Mollema
5. Pinot
6. Landa
7. Zakarin
8. Dumoulin
9. Jungels
10. Van Garderen
Points:
Nathan Haas
Mountains:
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U25:
Jungels
I'm looking forward incredibly much to this race. The strongest field in the Giro I can remember, and of course the route looks good as well.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 24-04-2017 13:44
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Riis123 wrote:
Has it become a strange fetish of yours to mock me at every possibility? I don't see anything else in your posts, but it doesn't surprise me.
The best race on the calendar for me, but unfortunately the route isn't quite up to 2015 or even 2016 standards. Still decent, don't get me wrong, but it lacks the classic, long and unpredictable transitional stage for banana-skin GC-action. Stage 11 has the potential, but its too easy late on. The route is, honestly, a child's game compared to 2011 (which is the year you are referring to when Zomegnan was fired for making it too hard).
Quintana the huge favourite. Honestly can't see anyone else winning if he doesn't crash, he is one, if not two levels above everyone else here.
I understand him, because it is such a fun to mock you...you always react and most times like mad, so we just chill.
To the topic: How i could forget Mollema, he is top5 favourite ofc. and i have forgot him in my list of favourites, he always finds his way deep into top5 of a GT.
I wonder what Dumoulin can do this year, as there is no long TT where he can grab jersey early...
No Yates in top10 Selwink?
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| Selwink |
Posted on 24-04-2017 13:51
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No Yates indeed. It's not that I didn't think of him, but rather that I didn't have space left for him  One of the favorites always fails to contend for the GC for whatever reason, my totally random guess was that it is Yates.
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 24-04-2017 15:47
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I'm hoping for a Kruijswijk repeat to shake things up, minus the disastrous set down amongst the snow that is. Starting stage 19 of last year he had 3 minutes over his nearest rival (Chaves) and nearly 5 minutes on Nibali.
Difficult to know how he'll go, given a similar to last year, relatively low key, build up.
Also interested to see how Dennis and Doumoulin go on the climbs.
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| deek12345 |
Posted on 24-04-2017 16:08
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for me Quintana is the massive favourite, hopefully Landa can get that form back he had in 2015 GIRO love to see him go up against Quintana in the mountains
my outsider to win would be Kruijswijk or Pinot. |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 24-04-2017 16:16
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Is Kruijswijk going to have any teammates this year? Felt sorry for him last year in the pink jersey with no team mates halfway up the first proper climb of the day.
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Posted on 24-04-2017 16:16
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ringo182 wrote:
Is Kruijswijk going to have any teammates this year? Felt sorry for him last year in the pink jersey with no team mates halfway up the first proper climb of the day.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 25-04-2017 06:16
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Riis123 wrote:
Still decent, don't get me wrong, but it lacks the classic, long and unpredictable transitional stage for banana-skin GC-action. Stage 11 has the potential, but its too easy late on.
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Long stages wont work at GT. Riders hate it and we infront of tv hate it.
Where is GT biggest action possibility?
Short and hard stages.
Quintana
Kruijswijk
Nibali
Mollema
Pinot
Landa
Zakarin
Dumoulin
Jungels
Van Garderen
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| Raziz |
Posted on 25-04-2017 07:28
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Nibali will surprise a lot more than expected in my opinion as he is a rider that only peaks once, but he is incredibly strong during that time. He will also obviously be fighting the emotions too which will only propel him further. Hoping for a Quintana vs Nibali battle. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 25-04-2017 07:33
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Raziz wrote:
Nibali will surprise a lot more than expected in my opinion as he is a rider that only peaks once, but he is incredibly strong during that time. He will also obviously be fighting the emotions too which will only propel him further. Hoping for a Quintana vs Nibali battle.
Nibali looking better then year ago. |
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| Raziz |
Posted on 25-04-2017 07:38
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Kruijswijk is an unknown again with hardly any stage-race form, but has one race in his calendar called the Giro d'Italia. I am not sure if Primoz Roglic is going also for Lotto, but it would be great to see his progress being one of the standouts of the season already. |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 25-04-2017 09:02
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Raziz wrote:
Kruijswijk is an unknown again with hardly any stage-race form, but has one race in his calendar called the Giro d'Italia. I am not sure if Primoz Roglic is going also for Lotto, but it would be great to see his progress being one of the standouts of the season already.
Well if we want to compare to last season he's in much better form having just finished 7th at Catalunya which last season he finished 39th. He's racing Yorkshire again like last season and then the Giro, I personally think he looks in better shape than last season but this years Giro field looks stronger so anywhere inside the top 5 would be good showing.
From what I've read Roglic is going to the Tour this season so no Giro for him.
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| emre99 |
Posted on 25-04-2017 09:20
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boring giro, quintana 1 2 3 easy
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 25-04-2017 09:37
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 25-04-2017 09:42
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The Giro might see Movistar pull a Sky-train on us, as seemingly they'll be the strongest team around. Would be a shame that 
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| Selwink |
Posted on 25-04-2017 10:15
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ringo182 wrote:
Is Kruijswijk going to have any teammates this year? Felt sorry for him last year in the pink jersey with no team mates halfway up the first proper climb of the day.
Apart from JVDB he's also getting Clement with him this time. Think in terms of climbing LottoNL is definitely stronger in this Giro than last year (though Roglic crashing multiple times back then didn't help). Only thing LottoNL needs to is make sure that he gets some good support on the flat as well. Keizer, Tankink and Campenaerts seems good, but I think one more rider would help a bit, possibly Van Hoecke most realistic for that.
In other news, Bardiani the first team to announce its full squad:
Albanese, Andreetta, Barbin, Boem, Ciccone, Maestri, Pirazzi, Rota and Ruffoni. No Simion and Zardini, which does surprise me a bit, but I'm sure there are good reasons for that.
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 25-04-2017 10:28
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Remember Clement being very good in TDF last year, if he has a Giro at that level could be useful for Kruijswijk. Also hoping for Jurgen van Deb Broeck, remember if you take away riders who've been at Sky or Astana he won the 2012 Tour #justiceforjurgen
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