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| ringo182 |
Posted on 19-01-2017 17:41
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Riis123 wrote:
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Quintana oficially confirmed to race Giro and Tour this season. His calendar until Giro will be Mallorca, Valencia, Abu Dhabi, Tirreno and Asturias
So Froome will win the Tour more easily than normal as Quintana will be knackered and then have no competition at the Veulta.
Looks like the Giro will be the only Grand Tour worth watching this season.
Have you always been like this?  Seems it has gotten worse lately. Really annoying to read posts such as that... Aint nobody is winning 2 GTs in a row easily.
Considering everything, Orica would be stupid not to send Chaves to France IMO. Matty White is very competent to I expect him to do that.
Jeez, it's a comment to generate discussion on a discussion forum.
But actually, nobody other that Quintana has got close to Froome in the last 2/3 years at Grand Tours. It's a fairly non controversial comment to say that if you take Quintana out of the equation it should be fairly straight forward for Froome to win.
You can talk about Chaves but a tired Froome doubling up from the tour beat him by 3 minutes at last year's Vuelta, despite him putting time into Froome on stage 15. He's not done anything to justify being labeled a challenger for Froome yet at Grand Tours.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 19-01-2017 20:42
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You don't need to post the that in order to generation discussion, you can do that without posting so much nonsense, or rather just bait.
Let Froome win the Tdf first, then we will see. A lot can still happen, cycling rarely follows the script from a-z throughout a season. |
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 19-01-2017 21:28
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Echoing what others have said here with some babbling 
I think Chaves could do with one more year doing Giro-Vuelta, very possibly winning one (Quintana just has to come to the Giro when Chaves is almost top favourite) but definitely securing another two podiums before going to TDF 2018, especially as we don't know when and how Froome and Nibali's decline will start (obviously it seems the latter's has a bit). I'm pretty sure Orica want him to do TDF-Vuelta this year but As TMM said Adam Yates having a top 4 (which is where Chaves will get at the minimum) and white jersey to defend. Then again, Adam may want that development year as well, but he can potentially do Giro as his main goal then lieutenant in TDF in 2018 as he's a few years younger. The only big argument I can find for Chaves to go there is that he'll probably be able to get second with Quintana tired.
I may have read somewhere that they're sending 2 of the three to each GT, but I can't see that working out if Chaves goes Giro-Vuelta, as I presume Simon Yates will ride Adam's main goal, be it Giro or TDF, then the Vuelta where I'm guessing Chaves will lead, be it planned or decided during the race. So unless Simon trades Vuelta (where he was great last year) for Giro and then Adam and Chaves link up in Spain, I'm guessing Chaves may end up in France. If they send three there, then they go, tired, to the Vuelta and Kreuziger or someone goes to the Giro we may have a new Sky on our hands, but one that can win monuments.
Then again, they've had discussions and training rides behind closed doors that we don't know about and we'll only find out after Herald Sun Tour apparently
Also ringo, I can't expect Froome to get "No competition" at a Vuelta where many riders and their teammates will have rode Giro over Tour, including Nibali, Aru and maybe Chaves, two of which have won the Vuelta before and one of which is still improving whilst Froome isn't getting younger.
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 19-01-2017 21:42
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Riis123 wrote:
You don't need to post the that in order to generation discussion, you can do that without posting so much nonsense, or rather just bait.
Let Froome win the Tdf first, then we will see. A lot can still happen, cycling rarely follows the script from a-z throughout a season.
He's already won it 3 times.
Why is saying the man who has won the tour for 3 of the last 4 years, is probably going to win it again this year nonsense or "bait"?
Why is saying that if you remove Quintana from the field, Froome will probably win easily nonsense or "bait"?
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 19-01-2017 21:55
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ringo182 wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
You don't need to post the that in order to generation discussion, you can do that without posting so much nonsense, or rather just bait.
Let Froome win the Tdf first, then we will see. A lot can still happen, cycling rarely follows the script from a-z throughout a season.
He's already won it 3 times.
Why is saying the man who has won the tour for 3 of the last 4 years, is probably going to win it again this year nonsense or "bait"?
Why is saying that if you remove Quintana from the field, Froome will probably win easily nonsense or "bait"?
Let him win the Tour this year before saying he will have no competition in the Vuelta - a race he still haven't won yet. Im obviously aware that he has won TdF before and that he will be the big favourite. No double is easy, neither will Froome's this year. be
Its not just this. Its accumulated baiting, like the Mas-comment as well. Its just annoying, thats all.
Edit: Stating nonchalant that Froome will win TdF easily, the Vuelta will be no competition and the Giro will be the only GT watching due to just how much better Froome is is to bait, yes.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 19-01-2017 22:05
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Mauro Vegni on selecting Gazprom and CCC:
"Gazprom is a sponsor of the Champions League and has important plans for the future."
Why CCC? "Because Poland is a new market and very interesting for the Giro. We've also got to consider the political and commercial aspects, not only the sporting aspects."
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 19-01-2017 22:05
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Riis123 wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
You don't need to post the that in order to generation discussion, you can do that without posting so much nonsense, or rather just bait.
Let Froome win the Tdf first, then we will see. A lot can still happen, cycling rarely follows the script from a-z throughout a season.
He's already won it 3 times.
Why is saying the man who has won the tour for 3 of the last 4 years, is probably going to win it again this year nonsense or "bait"?
Why is saying that if you remove Quintana from the field, Froome will probably win easily nonsense or "bait"?
Let him win the Tour this year before saying he will have no competition in the Vuelta - a race he still haven't won yet. Im obviously aware that he has won TdF before and that he will be the big favourite. No double is easy, neither will Froome's this year. be
Its not just this. Its accumulated baiting, like the Mas-comment as well. Its just annoying, thats all.
There has been no baiting on my part.
I did however notice how Alakogam made a remark about Mas and steroids a few posts after mine and there was no repost from you.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 19-01-2017 22:12
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So where do you draw the line from 'generating discussion on a discussion forum' and baiting? I mostly think you are doing the latter at the moment.
But whatever, I'd gladly take on some kind of meaningful bet and say Froome won't win TdF + Vuelta. And if he will, it sure as hell won't be a walk in the park as you make it out to be. |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 19-01-2017 22:16
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I've never made it out to be a walk in the park. It's my opinion. A bit like your opinion that Mas is the new Contador based on a stage of the Tour Down Under or sprinters not being real cyclists.
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 19-01-2017 22:19
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Riis123 wrote:
So where do you draw the line from 'generating discussion on a discussion forum' and baiting? I mostly think you are doing the latter at the moment.
But whatever, I'd gladly take on some kind of meaningful bet and say Froome won't win TdF + Vuelta. And if he will, it sure as hell won't be a walk in the park as you make it out to be.
Well if you took Quintana out of the equation, like he will be this year, Froome would have won the tour/Vuelta double last year.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 19-01-2017 22:19
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ringo182 wrote:
I've never made it out to be a walk in the park. It's my opinion. A bit like your opinion that Mas is the new Contador based on a stage of the Tour Down Under or sprinters not being real cyclists.
Is this not making it out to be a walk in the park?
"So Froome will win the Tour more easily than normal as Quintana will be knackered and then have no competition at the Veulta.
Looks like the Giro will be the only Grand Tour worth watching this season." |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 19-01-2017 22:22
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Riis123 wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
I've never made it out to be a walk in the park. It's my opinion. A bit like your opinion that Mas is the new Contador based on a stage of the Tour Down Under or sprinters not being real cyclists.
Is this not making it out to be a walk in the park?
"So Froome will win the Tour more easily than normal as Quintana will be knackered and then have no competition at the Veulta.
Looks like the Giro will be the only Grand Tour worth watching this season."
No, it's an off the cuff remark made during my lunch break at work. I didn't really put that much thought into it to be honest. But based on the results of the last couple of years at Grand Tours it's a fairly fair comment to make.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 19-01-2017 22:25
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ringo182 wrote:
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So where do you draw the line from 'generating discussion on a discussion forum' and baiting? I mostly think you are doing the latter at the moment.
But whatever, I'd gladly take on some kind of meaningful bet and say Froome won't win TdF + Vuelta. And if he will, it sure as hell won't be a walk in the park as you make it out to be.
Well if you took Quintana out of the equation, like he will be this year, Froome would have won the tour/Vuelta double last year.
Yes, and there's where you fall. Aint nothing is what it was last year, this year will probably be a lot different to what we saw in 2016. He will now face a tougher Vuelta-field (at least deeper) who won't race TdF which obviously will make the competition fresher - chances are at least one of those will be very hot. Maybe he will decline a bit - thats not unthinkable. Riding through 2 GTs without sickness or crashes are below 50%, at least.
There's just too many variables, especially this early in the season, to claim what you did. But it will be exiting to watch as usual (or I guess you won't watch). |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 19-01-2017 22:30
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Riis123 wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
So where do you draw the line from 'generating discussion on a discussion forum' and baiting? I mostly think you are doing the latter at the moment.
But whatever, I'd gladly take on some kind of meaningful bet and say Froome won't win TdF + Vuelta. And if he will, it sure as hell won't be a walk in the park as you make it out to be.
Well if you took Quintana out of the equation, like he will be this year, Froome would have won the tour/Vuelta double last year.
Yes, and there's where you fall. Aint nothing is what it was last year, this year will probably be a lot different to what we saw in 2016. He will now face a tougher Vuelta-field (at least deeper) who won't race TdF which obviously will make the competition fresher - chances are at least one of those will be very hot. Maybe he will decline a bit - thats not unthinkable. Riding through 2 GTs without sickness or crashes are below 50%, at least.
There's just too many variables, especially this early in the season, to claim what you did. But it will be exiting to watch as usual (or I guess you won't watch).
Probably not. It's a bit boring when Froome wins all the time.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 19-01-2017 22:36
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The Tour 2016 was indeed boring, but the other two editions he won (mind, he 'only has 3 GT's) were above average TdFs. 2013 had exceptionally will ridden MTFs and 2015 was relatively close and a very, very hard edition. |
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 20-01-2017 00:01
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Plus Gazprom got a really dope stage wi- I mean cool stage win last year
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Riis123 wrote:
Mauro Vegni on selecting Gazprom and CCC:
" Gazprom is a sponsor of the Champions League and has important plans for the future."
Why CCC? "Because Poland is a new market and very interesting for the Giro. We've also got to consider the political and commercial aspects, not only the sporting aspects."
Sponsoring the Champions League ---> Wildcard in Giro d' Italia
I don't see anything wrong with what Vegni said, I think his point on Gazprom was that they are a big sponsor and the team itself has plans to build which looking at the signings for this season goes with that. Also the way Gazprom performed in the race last season they earned a place in this year race. While I don't think CCC should of got an invite as I just don't think they have the quality required for the race the reasons Vegni stated are valid reasons, the other GT's do the same.
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Was always interesting to see where spot 4 would go, good result for Wanty who have a decent team. Could be good value for the spot, i like the choice.
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