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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 02-12-2016 23:33
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I guess the most strong sign for Wehrlein is that Mercedes might want a german on their team. The only other option I see for getting a rider that is on par with Hamilton and fitting their plans is that they pay Renault a ton of money for Hülkenberg. But I guess that isn't realistic at all...
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| Thatguyeveryonehates |
Posted on 03-12-2016 11:31
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Paul23 wrote:
Thatguyeveryonehates wrote:
why would wehrlein be the better choice?
in f3 he was 2nd with the best team. thats very good
ocon won the championship. ahead of verstappen. by a big lead.
this season they were teammates. everyone expected wehrlein to beat ocon because ocon only came in mid season and every driver who came in mid season since the testing ban in 2008 was destroyed by their teammates. but ocon was actually even with wehrlein.
there is a reason force india chose ocon over wehrlein. he is easily superior
Force India picked Ocon, because Wehrlein was forced to stay at Manor, because Mercedes wanted to keep him.
Whilst Ocon has beaten Wehrlein with 4:3 in Races(Wehrlein DNF'd 2 races, he would've won against Ocon, though), Wehrlein beat Ocon 7:2 in Quali.
And don't tell me, that he couldn't test before...he was a test-driver and was testing with the team, just like Stoffel did at McLaren.
what are you talking about?
ocon was a reserve driver not a test driver and for renault not manor
and he didn't drive the car thats what matters
bid disadvantage but he still matched wehrlein |
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Posted on 03-12-2016 11:31
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Croatia14 wrote:
I guess the most strong sign for Wehrlein is that Mercedes might want a german on their team. The only other option I see for getting a rider that is on par with Hamilton and fitting their plans is that they pay Renault a ton of money for Hülkenberg. But I guess that isn't realistic at all...
renault just confirmed mercedes asked about hulkenberg before rosbergs announcement
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 03-12-2016 11:50
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Thatguyeveryonehates wrote:
Paul23 wrote:
Thatguyeveryonehates wrote:
why would wehrlein be the better choice?
in f3 he was 2nd with the best team. thats very good
ocon won the championship. ahead of verstappen. by a big lead.
this season they were teammates. everyone expected wehrlein to beat ocon because ocon only came in mid season and every driver who came in mid season since the testing ban in 2008 was destroyed by their teammates. but ocon was actually even with wehrlein.
there is a reason force india chose ocon over wehrlein. he is easily superior
Force India picked Ocon, because Wehrlein was forced to stay at Manor, because Mercedes wanted to keep him.
Whilst Ocon has beaten Wehrlein with 4:3 in Races(Wehrlein DNF'd 2 races, he would've won against Ocon, though), Wehrlein beat Ocon 7:2 in Quali.
And don't tell me, that he couldn't test before...he was a test-driver and was testing with the team, just like Stoffel did at McLaren.
what are you talking about?
ocon was a reserve driver not a test driver and for renault not manor
and he didn't drive the car thats what matters
bid disadvantage but he still matched wehrlein
First off, he didn't match him. He was quicker than Haryanto, but not as quick as Wehrlein.
Also Ocon did also test for Mercedes AND for Renault. On top, he tested the last 2 races of Haryanto, with Manor.
Also people tend to overreact, when it comes to testing. Those guys are world-class drivers. It takes them barely a week to get used to the Team and barely a weekend to get used to the car. They can adapt very quickly. That's why they can also switch to different classes, like DTM or V8S f.e.. Simply because it doesn't take them much time to adapt. Nico Hülkenberg won the 24h and that within a F1 season.
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| Thatguyeveryonehates |
Posted on 03-12-2016 15:38
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you are hugely underestimating the difference that being adapted to a car makes. the two practice sessions Ocon did are nothing at all
look at the drivers that came in mid season
heidfeld sucked kovalainen sucked.
switching to different classes...no f1 drivers have switched to dtm and been properly competitive. not alesi not hakkinen not coulthard not anyone
v8s? why did you mention v8s? very fast drivers go to v8s to be co drivers and suck at surfers paradise and other races. because theyre not used to the car
hulkenberg is a wonderful driver but he won le mans because tandy was the fastest driver on the day and they were lucky with reliability like any le mans winner is. hulks was the slowest of the three drivers on the day even though he is the more talented of the three. because hes not used to the porsche
your german bias is really blinding you here |
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| fjhoekie |
Posted on 03-12-2016 15:42
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Wehrlein is the most obvious pick, however I'd like to see something else, perhaps even Sirotkin/Giovinazzi from GP2. Buemi would be a massive surprise, but should be good, and the most unlikely of all I would really like: Shane Van Gisbergen.
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| Thatguyeveryonehates |
Posted on 03-12-2016 22:53
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toto wolff says thats not going to happen
mercedes are being surprisingly open about all this
he mentioned they dont want to promote their juniors ocon and wehrlein because theyre not ready
then he said wehrlein and hamilton with their similar personalities it would be a "alonso-hamilton 2007 situation"
he also said he would prefer a top driver like alonso or vettel but vettel is too expensive and zetsche will be involved in the decision. that last part is a subtle way of saying it probably wont be alonso
then he blew up the press by saying every driver on the grid called mercedes about the seat except kvyat and kimi
he also said it wont be one of the red bull drivers
too expensive and in max's case personality problems like wehrlein
and he said many other things that are less interesting |
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 03-12-2016 23:05
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fjhoekie wrote:
and the most unlikely of all I would really like: Shane Van Gisbergen.
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 04-12-2016 00:44
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Thatguyeveryonehates wrote:
you are hugely underestimating the difference that being adapted to a car makes. the two practice sessions Ocon did are nothing at all
look at the drivers that came in mid season
heidfeld sucked kovalainen sucked.
switching to different classes...no f1 drivers have switched to dtm and been properly competitive. not alesi not hakkinen not coulthard not anyone
v8s? why did you mention v8s? very fast drivers go to v8s to be co drivers and suck at surfers paradise and other races. because theyre not used to the car
hulkenberg is a wonderful driver but he won le mans because tandy was the fastest driver on the day and they were lucky with reliability like any le mans winner is. hulks was the slowest of the three drivers on the day even though he is the more talented of the three. because hes not used to the porsche
your german bias is really blinding you here
german bias? I HATE Wehrlein.
Also, probably different to you, I already talked with guys like Rene Rast or Phillipp Eng about stuff like this. Very good racing drivers, if you don't know them. It's not "getting used to the car" that's important, but it's simply, that the cars are different.
In V8S f.e. drivers suck there, not because they're not used to the car, but because driving skill in a F1 != driving skill in a V8S. Simply you can be the best F1 driver of all time, but still be mediocre in other racing sports, no matter how long you do them. Simply because racing ability is not like a stat in pcm.
f.e. Michael Schumacher could've done rally and sucked his whole racing career and nobody would've known him. Yes, probably he would've made it into the big leagues, but he could've had 30 years of experience and still not win a title.
On the other hand, that's the same for people like Loeb and Ogier.
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| Thatguyeveryonehates |
Posted on 04-12-2016 20:21
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yes i know who they are
and that cant possibly be what rene was trying to say
that drivers need to adapt to the car is a basic, basic fact
its why every single driver does much better in the 2nd season of a single make series and even better in the third
its why hamilton being gp2 champion in his first season was considered much more impressive than nelson piquet jr being faster than hamilton because piquet was in his 2nd season
its why leimer or valsecchi werent even considered for f1 drives when they were gp2 champions. they had many seasons of experience so it wasnt impressive
its why lewis hamiltons results were really bad in his first f3 season but he dominated the second season
if you want to use philipp eng as the example its why he was 10th in formula bmw one year and world champion the next year
i dont think you understand that i dont think ocon is amazing
he is impressive but i think hes overrated by the many people who say hes a future world champion
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