Well yes, there are downsides to all political theories.
Democracy has lead to Brexit and Donald Trump so you could argue it is just as bad.
There is no perfect political system.
Obviously everyone has a right to form an opinion that a political viewpoint is crazy. That is you opinion. My point is that just because something is crazy in your opinion doesn't mean it is crazy full stop.
If everyone had the same opinion then this glorious site wouldn't exist so long live arguments
"Ringo is exactly right", Shonak - 8 September 2016
Exactly, how large economy is, tells shit about how free or developed country is and in example of China it is very visible. Btw. you also cant say that they use communism in its basic idea, because they use lots of capitalist tools. It is strange mix of nationalism, communism and capitalism....
Btw. their economy is strong because of large production of low quality goods, i am not sure if that is something to be proud on either.
They live in their own bubble that is about to pop in next decades. China IS crazy and not a role model to follow or admire, with their social engineering and hegemonic acts.
ringo182 wrote:
Well yes, there are downsides to all political theories.
Democracy has lead to Brexit and Donald Trump so you could argue it is just as bad.
There is no perfect political system.
Obviously everyone has a right to form an opinion that a political viewpoint is crazy. That is you opinion. My point is that just because something is crazy in your opinion doesn't mean it is crazy full stop.
If everyone had the same opinion then this glorious site wouldn't exist so long live arguments
I am seriously out of arguments for you, i have hardly met anyone so stubborn in my life, so i will likely just scroll by your posts here by now.
You are buck-passing and anything can be justified with your reasoning.
Common sense, reason and decency are obviously not a thing that you value higher than "having an opinion, not matter how stupid it is" or "having strong economy". Being strong means nothing when your only goal is to make others weak mate.
ringo182 wrote:
Well yes, there are downsides to all political theories.
Democracy has lead to Brexit and Donald Trump so you could argue it is just as bad.
There is no perfect political system.
Obviously everyone has a right to form an opinion that a political viewpoint is crazy. That is you opinion. My point is that just because something is crazy in your opinion doesn't mean it is crazy full stop.
If everyone had the same opinion then this glorious site wouldn't exist so long live arguments
I am seriously out of arguments for you, i have hardly met anyone so stubborn in my life, so i will likely just scroll by your posts here by now.
You are buck-passing and anything can be justified with your reasoning.
Common sense, reason and decency are obviously not a thing that you value higher than "having an opinion, not matter how stupid it is" or "having strong economy". Being strong means nothing when your only goal is to make others weak mate.
Their is no such thing as common sense because everyone is different
Common sense, reason and decency are all relative to individuals.
The political viewpoints you have are based on your upbringing and the time you live in. Someone brought up in a different place or time will have a different political view based on their own upbringing and surroundings.
Why is your view correct and common sense but someone else's crazy? That is my point.
"Ringo is exactly right", Shonak - 8 September 2016
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
Haha whatever, it's creepy as fuck to say that about your daughter. Trump is the kind of guy that if you told him to go fuck himself he'd give it a try.
You know what's not only creepy, but also cringeworthy as fuck? Seeing people on the internet, attacking a Person, they never met, they don't personally know, just by some of his opinions. I would never go with my daughter, but I would be able to look at her unbiased and make her compliments, totally without being dishonest. I would just say How I think it is.
But Well, you guys are probably a big part of Trumps success afterall. Loads of people are sick and tired of people in the internet attacking everything and everyone who is not conform with their opinion. They didn't vote for Trump. They voted against people like you, who are full of arrogance, whilst also not tolerating opinions(but on the other Hand you want yours to get tolerated).
I got Messages in Skype by people of this very Forum, that I should kill myself for fancying to vote for the AfD, because they are not tolerant. Are you even seeing the irony? I was asked to leave daily multiple times. Why am I not doing it? Because with me being here, you will atleast get a different opinion on certain topics, even if you are against them, but at least you heard them, which stops daily from becoming a big echochamber, where you just hear what you want to hear.
I'm not saying that politics belong everywhere, hence it is good that we have this thread, although I sometimes go out of boundaries. I understand that people don't like that. On the other Hand, certain Managers put their political Statements in the MG and Nobody cares. It's this Simple Twist of morale, which is nagging me. But since I strongly have the feeling, that Nobody bothers to read long Texts by me, I will not make this longer.
Just a quick Edit: "Haha whatever" is the best you could come up with? Great Argument.
The best reason to attack someone is probably because of their opinions. What arrogance anyway? To not want to fuck my daughter? I'm pretty sure you attack must have another meaning in German in any case...
'Haha whatever' wasn't really an argument to be frank, I just found it quite funny that you were so keen to defend Trump that you're going, "incestuous thoughts, totally normal".
The reason I don't tend to chime in much on this "echo chamber" is because it's hardly the place for great political discussion is it?
Anyway, I'd advise you not to kill yourself, I hope that undoes the possible damage other people have done/
And don't want to get into this, I mostly just find the outrage fun, but China's economy is mainly successful because lives are cheap. And of course political viewpoints can be crazy.
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
And don't want to get into this, I mostly just find the outrage fun, but China's economy is mainly successful because lives are cheap. And of course political viewpoints can be crazy.
Yes, of course they can.
But when a political viewpoint has been voted for by millions of free citizens, as with Donald Trump, you have to accept it isn't crazy. It's just different to your own opinion.
"Ringo is exactly right", Shonak - 8 September 2016
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
And don't want to get into this, I mostly just find the outrage fun, but China's economy is mainly successful because lives are cheap. And of course political viewpoints can be crazy.
Yes, of course they can.
But when a political viewpoint has been voted for by millions of free citizens, as with Donald Trump, you have to accept it isn't crazy. It's just different to your own opinion.
You don't have to. There's two logical conclusions: either it isn't crazy or they are too.
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
And don't want to get into this, I mostly just find the outrage fun, but China's economy is mainly successful because lives are cheap. And of course political viewpoints can be crazy.
Yes, of course they can.
But when a political viewpoint has been voted for by millions of free citizens, as with Donald Trump, you have to accept it isn't crazy. It's just different to your own opinion.
The Nazi's got 37.4% of the vote becoming clearly the largest party at the 1932 greman election. Just saying that the ourcome of democtatic voting does not always have to be sane.
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
And don't want to get into this, I mostly just find the outrage fun, but China's economy is mainly successful because lives are cheap. And of course political viewpoints can be crazy.
Yes, of course they can.
But when a political viewpoint has been voted for by millions of free citizens, as with Donald Trump, you have to accept it isn't crazy. It's just different to your own opinion.
You don't have to. There's two logical conclusions: either it isn't crazy or they are too.
This is the whole point of my argument. "I don't agree with their political point of view so they are crazy". You can't just label millions of people stupid or crazy because they support a different political viewpoint as you.
"Ringo is exactly right", Shonak - 8 September 2016
And it is not only Nazis, which is always an extreme example to use in discussion.
Many past and present regimes which are clearly crazy, backward, stupid, killing and damaging were supoported by majority of citizens, which really does not say anything about its sanity.
Millions of people, even in country like USA are not educated or informed enough to be able to vote with reason. People are not born with abilities to really decide what is best for them, some learn it, some not...
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
And don't want to get into this, I mostly just find the outrage fun, but China's economy is mainly successful because lives are cheap. And of course political viewpoints can be crazy.
Yes, of course they can.
But when a political viewpoint has been voted for by millions of free citizens, as with Donald Trump, you have to accept it isn't crazy. It's just different to your own opinion.
You don't have to. There's two logical conclusions: either it isn't crazy or they are too.
This is the whole point of my argument. "I don't agree with their political point of view so they are crazy". You can't just label millions of people stupid or crazy because they support a different political viewpoint as you.
We know that is your point by now, but it is as stupid as to vote for Trump.
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
And it is not only Nazis, which is always an extreme example to use in discussion.
Many past and present regimes which are clearly crazy, backward, stupid, killing and damaging were supoported by majority of citizens, which really does not say anything about its sanity.
Millions of people, even in country like USA are not educated or informed enough to be able to vote with reason. People are not born with abilities to really decide what is best for them, some learn it, some not...
I think we need to stay away from Extreme regimes because the majority of them wouldn't actually qualify as being political. A dictatorship/totalitarian regime is not political in any way as the definition of politics is to debate.
I also think you're getting into slightly dodgy territory by saying people with no education don't deserve a vote. That's basically how dictatorships/totalitarian regimes start.
"Ringo is exactly right", Shonak - 8 September 2016
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
And don't want to get into this, I mostly just find the outrage fun, but China's economy is mainly successful because lives are cheap. And of course political viewpoints can be crazy.
Yes, of course they can.
But when a political viewpoint has been voted for by millions of free citizens, as with Donald Trump, you have to accept it isn't crazy. It's just different to your own opinion.
You don't have to. There's two logical conclusions: either it isn't crazy or they are too.
This is the whole point of my argument. "I don't agree with their political point of view so they are crazy". You can't just label millions of people stupid or crazy because they support a different political viewpoint as you.
No. But they might be. And if that viewpoint is crazy then that could provide a fair bit of evidence.
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
And it is not only Nazis, which is always an extreme example to use in discussion.
Many past and present regimes which are clearly crazy, backward, stupid, killing and damaging were supoported by majority of citizens, which really does not say anything about its sanity.
Millions of people, even in country like USA are not educated or informed enough to be able to vote with reason. People are not born with abilities to really decide what is best for them, some learn it, some not...
I think we need to stay away from Extreme regimes because the majority of them wouldn't actually qualify as being political. A dictatorship/totalitarian regime is not political in any way as the definition of politics is to debate.
I also think you're getting into slightly dodgy territory by saying people with no education don't deserve a vote. That's basically how dictatorships/totalitarian regimes start.
He didn't say uneducated people shouldn't vote. It's just that they usually make less informed decisions and they more easily manipulated, either by someone with a good speech (by good speech I mean who just screams more than his opponents), or different sorts of political bribery.
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
And it is not only Nazis, which is always an extreme example to use in discussion.
Many past and present regimes which are clearly crazy, backward, stupid, killing and damaging were supoported by majority of citizens, which really does not say anything about its sanity.
Millions of people, even in country like USA are not educated or informed enough to be able to vote with reason. People are not born with abilities to really decide what is best for them, some learn it, some not...
I think we need to stay away from Extreme regimes because the majority of them wouldn't actually qualify as being political. A dictatorship/totalitarian regime is not political in any way as the definition of politics is to debate.
I also think you're getting into slightly dodgy territory by saying people with no education don't deserve a vote. That's basically how dictatorships/totalitarian regimes start.
He didn't say uneducated people shouldn't vote. It's just that they usually make less informed decisions and they more easily manipulated, either by someone with a good speech (by good speech I mean who just screams more than his opponents), or different sorts of political bribery.
Fair enough. I misinterpreted what he said.
"Ringo is exactly right", Shonak - 8 September 2016
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
And it is not only Nazis, which is always an extreme example to use in discussion.
Many past and present regimes which are clearly crazy, backward, stupid, killing and damaging were supoported by majority of citizens, which really does not say anything about its sanity.
Millions of people, even in country like USA are not educated or informed enough to be able to vote with reason. People are not born with abilities to really decide what is best for them, some learn it, some not...
I agree, just simpler to use the Nazi's because everyone knows the story.
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
And it is not only Nazis, which is always an extreme example to use in discussion.
Many past and present regimes which are clearly crazy, backward, stupid, killing and damaging were supoported by majority of citizens, which really does not say anything about its sanity.
Millions of people, even in country like USA are not educated or informed enough to be able to vote with reason. People are not born with abilities to really decide what is best for them, some learn it, some not...
I agree, just simpler to use the Nazi's because everyone knows the story.
If only the Nazi story would make sense for such an example. It simply is way too far fetched.
