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| Thatguyeveryonehates |
Posted on 11-09-2016 04:39
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Posted on 11-09-2016 06:30
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Shonak wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
I honestly think he suffers as much as the others, his style is just a bit different to most. Same goes for Mollema (sorry to compare him to Mollema, but...), riding your bike with your whole body doesn't mean you necessarily can tolerate more pain, go over your threshold etc.
Great win, but I think had Atapuma not been tactically inept, he most likely would've won.
He's 22 so he definitely suffers way more than others, that's the basic premise of the age in cycling. But yeah his style is like Mochema. Difference is, he sitll makes it fun to look at and cheer for him.
Something I've learnt as a cyclist, as you mature and get stronger you don't suffer any less, you just get faster 
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Posted on 11-09-2016 06:35
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Alakagom wrote:
Anyway, why do people like Quintana here? Aside the '' I love all Colombian guys randomly, because I'm a hipster'' guys
The guy has absolutely zero charisma, compared to him Froome looks a fun guy. His racing style, while definitely beautiful in style is nothing to shout about. Most of the races he stares at Froome's ass all day long anyway. His interviews are bland as shit. I totally respect the guy, but I see nothing why you'd grow to like him.
It's pretty simple to answer this one, he's seen as the Anti-Froome Anti-Sky rider, take Sky and Froome out of the equation and Quintana wouldn't be as popular.
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Posted on 11-09-2016 06:37
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Why did you have to remove ur posts arberg, now I look stupid 
I don't think we should ever complain about Arberg removing posts
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Posted on 11-09-2016 07:25
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There goes the Vuelta this season, and I'd say I enjoyed the race. Too bad Conti was nicked off a podium spot. A very gutsy ride by Chaves though.
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Posted on 11-09-2016 09:27
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Indeed.
I am another fan of Latour but he should have been thrown out of the race for his shameful riding in the Formigal stage.I would have preferred a rider who was inside the time limit on that day winning yesterday. |
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Posted on 11-09-2016 09:35
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Shonak wrote:
Another word on Contador: Very happy he will leave Tinkoff for good this season now that the team folds. Since 2013 there's alway been something off with the squad, something toxic in the air and it's good he gets a change of environement now. Ultimately, he can only strengthen his resolve and motivation for the upcoming season. Vamos! Agreed.
Still a fan of Contador though today was shameful riding by him.
I hope he still has a year when he beats Froome and Quintana in the Tour de France and wins it just to make the nationalist Brits and the people who say 'he is never the same after his ban' and say 'Froome and Quintana are clean,Contador clean level is definitely behind those twos clean level' shut up for once and for all |
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The Schleck Fan wrote:
Indeed.
I am another fan of Latour but he should have been thrown out of the race for his shameful riding in the Formigal stage.I would have preferred a rider who was inside the time limit on that day winning yesterday.
So you would give Esteban Chavez the win?
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 11-09-2016 09:58
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Riis123 wrote:
Example: Did Quintana suffer more than, say, Contador or Purito in during TdF 2013 at age 23? I mean, you are as good as you are, disregarding how old are you - I think the question is how far you are able and willing to go in order to produce your absolute optimal. Some are better than others which I initially thought was your point and it definitely looks like Latour can that due to his way of riding, looking like he is completely roasted, going to drop every seconds, almost dying - yet continues. My point just was I don't necessarily think we should get fooled to assume riders with that style - Mollema, Latour, Chris Sorensen etc. - necessarily suffer more. Which wasn't your point, obviously, after clarifying, so I am just rambling a bit by now.
Good point age does not matter much you are as good you are.
Only thing with age matters is quantity. Young riders can not take well 2 GT's inside one year. Yeaah there is guys who could but more experience rider can tolerate it better. In fact ..you can destroy young GC rider with over racing.
Mollema, Latour, Sörensen..it is just about the style. Atapuma looks much better on bike, still he got dropped. Even Mercx was like wrestling he's bike when he was climbing..still it was effective. |
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Posted on 11-09-2016 09:59
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DiCyc wrote:
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Indeed.
I am another fan of Latour but he should have been thrown out of the race for his shameful riding in the Formigal stage.I would have preferred a rider who was inside the time limit on that day winning yesterday.
So you would give Esteban Chavez the win? If he was the first rider to artive from the riders who were inside te time limit on stage 15,then yes. |
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Posted on 11-09-2016 10:07
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What? The Schlecks are more sympathic than Contador and Froome together.
Quintana, I agree, is also boring. (From the way he is presented or acts
off the bike in interviews and stuff.) But as I said before the lesser evil.
Until Jungels, Chevrier, Keldermann, Konrad or Buchmann step up that is.
Which also may never happen but a cycling enthusiast may dream right?
Clean?! Both of 'em are as clean as a crack baby! Specially Froome.
But then again, who really believes in Santa Clause, the Tooth Fairy,
the US moon landing, a just world with equall opportunities for everyone
or clean professional sports?
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Posted on 11-09-2016 11:08
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The Schleck Fan wrote:
Shonak wrote:
Another word on Contador: Very happy he will leave Tinkoff for good this season now that the team folds. Since 2013 there's alway been something off with the squad, something toxic in the air and it's good he gets a change of environement now. Ultimately, he can only strengthen his resolve and motivation for the upcoming season. Vamos! Agreed.
Still a fan of Contador though today was shameful riding by him.
I hope he still has a year when he beats Froome and Quintana in the Tour de France and wins it just to make the nationalist Brits and the people who say 'he is never the same after his ban' and say 'Froome and Quintana are clean,Contador clean level is definitely behind those twos clean level' shut up for once and for all
What makes you think that if Contador came out next season and topped Froome and Quintana in the TDF that it would change people's opinions on him? Especially when it comes to the doping side of things, they'll just say he went all out doping wise to finish his career on a high. As to him not being as good after his ban as before it, you can't deny that he just isn't at the same level as he was in 2009/2010, if we saw 2009 TDF/Verbier Contador go up against Froome then he would hose Froome but that rider died after the Clen positive/legal case then ultimate suspension. He might podium at a GT next season but all things being equal but I doubt he can.
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Posted on 11-09-2016 13:42
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Contador? He was good that time Michael Rasmussen was with because of doping-doctor Fuentes, also later where Andy Schleck was with because of "beef".
Well we have riter now as Froome og Quintana, are not taken for chearing.
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Posted on 11-09-2016 13:51
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Got to love it when Arberg steps in and let's us know Froome and surprisingly for Arberg Quintana are clean, yep the Watts these riders put out on the climbs are totally believable, it's just that the work harder, better bikes, aero, better nutrition and in some cases no Nutella
Marginal Gains BABY!
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Posted on 11-09-2016 14:29
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Strydz wrote:
The Schleck Fan wrote:
Shonak wrote:
Another word on Contador: Very happy he will leave Tinkoff for good this season now that the team folds. Since 2013 there's alway been something off with the squad, something toxic in the air and it's good he gets a change of environement now. Ultimately, he can only strengthen his resolve and motivation for the upcoming season. Vamos! Agreed.
Still a fan of Contador though today was shameful riding by him.
I hope he still has a year when he beats Froome and Quintana in the Tour de France and wins it just to make the nationalist Brits and the people who say 'he is never the same after his ban' and say 'Froome and Quintana are clean,Contador clean level is definitely behind those twos clean level' shut up for once and for all
What makes you think that if Contador came out next season and topped Froome and Quintana in the TDF that it would change people's opinions on him? Especially when it comes to the doping side of things, they'll just say he went all out doping wise to finish his career on a high. As to him not being as good after his ban as before it, you can't deny that he just isn't at the same level as he was in 2009/2010, if we saw 2009 TDF/Verbier Contador go up against Froome then he would hose Froome but that rider died after the Clen positive/legal case then ultimate suspension. He might podium at a GT next season but all things being equal but I doubt he can. Contador is still doping,I never said he is clean,just look at 2014 for example,he was almost as good as 2009 maybe even better that year. However the Anglo media saying that Froome is always clean and portraying Froome and Sky as the clean cycling disgusts me.
Also Contador 2014 was ridiculous,maybe even better than 2009.So he showed the pre-ban level that year.
Also I have more time for Contador than most of the other cyclists since he doesn't claim his victories are for clean cycling and isn't extremely arrogant like Froome.Though he also said something ridiculous things like 'Doping only happens at back of the peloton' or something like that and I criticized him for it.
And he lights up the races he enters which is a plus for me.
Btw,Contador testing positive while getting beaten by Froome would be awesome.Though the Skybots will say that 'A clean Froome is better than a doped Contador' , 'Dirty South Europeans always use doping,they are lazy and they are not talented while we Brits do it clean,we have the talent and we work harder than everyone' |
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Posted on 11-09-2016 15:02
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The Schleck Fan wrote:
Strydz wrote:
The Schleck Fan wrote:
Shonak wrote:
Another word on Contador: Very happy he will leave Tinkoff for good this season now that the team folds. Since 2013 there's alway been something off with the squad, something toxic in the air and it's good he gets a change of environement now. Ultimately, he can only strengthen his resolve and motivation for the upcoming season. Vamos! Agreed.
Still a fan of Contador though today was shameful riding by him.
I hope he still has a year when he beats Froome and Quintana in the Tour de France and wins it just to make the nationalist Brits and the people who say 'he is never the same after his ban' and say 'Froome and Quintana are clean,Contador clean level is definitely behind those twos clean level' shut up for once and for all
What makes you think that if Contador came out next season and topped Froome and Quintana in the TDF that it would change people's opinions on him? Especially when it comes to the doping side of things, they'll just say he went all out doping wise to finish his career on a high. As to him not being as good after his ban as before it, you can't deny that he just isn't at the same level as he was in 2009/2010, if we saw 2009 TDF/Verbier Contador go up against Froome then he would hose Froome but that rider died after the Clen positive/legal case then ultimate suspension. He might podium at a GT next season but all things being equal but I doubt he can. Contador is still doping,I never said he is clean,just look at 2014 for example,he was almost as good as 2009 maybe even better that year. However the Anglo media saying that Froome is always clean and portraying Froome and Sky as the clean cycling disgusts me.
Also Contador 2014 was ridiculous,maybe even better than 2009.So he showed the pre-ban level that year.
Also I have more time for Contador than most of the other cyclists since he doesn't claim his victories are for clean cycling and isn't extremely arrogant like Froome.Though he also said something ridiculous things like 'Doping only happens at back of the peloton' or something like that and I criticized him for it.
And he lights up the races he enters which is a plus for me.
Btw,Contador testing positive while getting beaten by Froome would be awesome.Though the Skybots will say that 'A clean Froome is better than a doped Contador' , 'Dirty South Europeans always use doping,they are lazy and they are not talented while we Brits do it clean,we have the talent and we work harder than everyone'
I know you never said he was clean and I didn't state that you said that. All I'm saying is that even if he came out and won that it wouldn't change the majority of people's opinions of him.
I do know he was going very well in 2014 but we don't know if it would of held up over 3 weeks of the Tour, he wasn't going better than 2009 and all you need to do is look at the performance on Verbier to see just what a monster he was that year.
I don't get that you have more time for him because he doesn't claim his wins are clean, just because he is old school omertà and doesn't say anything about his doping doesn't make him any better than Froome, they are both still cheating and have built fame and careers on the back of that. That's just my opinion
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Posted on 11-09-2016 15:05
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Arberg27 wrote:
Contador? He was good that time Michael Rasmussen was with because of doping-doctor Fuentes, also later where Andy Schleck was with because of "beef".
Did you edit that last bit out because you accidentally said Quintana was clean?
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Strydz wrote:
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Contador? He was good that time Michael Rasmussen was with because of doping-doctor Fuentes, also later where Andy Schleck was with because of "beef".
Did you edit that last bit out because you accidentally said Quintana was clean? No are you happy now ? |
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Strydz wrote:
The Schleck Fan wrote:
Strydz wrote:
The Schleck Fan wrote:
Shonak wrote:
Another word on Contador: Very happy he will leave Tinkoff for good this season now that the team folds. Since 2013 there's alway been something off with the squad, something toxic in the air and it's good he gets a change of environement now. Ultimately, he can only strengthen his resolve and motivation for the upcoming season. Vamos! Agreed.
Still a fan of Contador though today was shameful riding by him.
I hope he still has a year when he beats Froome and Quintana in the Tour de France and wins it just to make the nationalist Brits and the people who say 'he is never the same after his ban' and say 'Froome and Quintana are clean,Contador clean level is definitely behind those twos clean level' shut up for once and for all
What makes you think that if Contador came out next season and topped Froome and Quintana in the TDF that it would change people's opinions on him? Especially when it comes to the doping side of things, they'll just say he went all out doping wise to finish his career on a high. As to him not being as good after his ban as before it, you can't deny that he just isn't at the same level as he was in 2009/2010, if we saw 2009 TDF/Verbier Contador go up against Froome then he would hose Froome but that rider died after the Clen positive/legal case then ultimate suspension. He might podium at a GT next season but all things being equal but I doubt he can. Contador is still doping,I never said he is clean,just look at 2014 for example,he was almost as good as 2009 maybe even better that year. However the Anglo media saying that Froome is always clean and portraying Froome and Sky as the clean cycling disgusts me.
Also Contador 2014 was ridiculous,maybe even better than 2009.So he showed the pre-ban level that year.
Also I have more time for Contador than most of the other cyclists since he doesn't claim his victories are for clean cycling and isn't extremely arrogant like Froome.Though he also said something ridiculous things like 'Doping only happens at back of the peloton' or something like that and I criticized him for it.
And he lights up the races he enters which is a plus for me.
Btw,Contador testing positive while getting beaten by Froome would be awesome.Though the Skybots will say that 'A clean Froome is better than a doped Contador' , 'Dirty South Europeans always use doping,they are lazy and they are not talented while we Brits do it clean,we have the talent and we work harder than everyone'
I know you never said he was clean and I didn't state that you said that. All I'm saying is that even if he came out and won that it wouldn't change the majority of people's opinions of him.
I do know he was going very well in 2014 but we don't know if it would of held up over 3 weeks of the Tour, he wasn't going better than 2009 and all you need to do is look at the performance on Verbier to see just what a monster he was that year.
I don't get that you have more time for him because he doesn't claim his wins are clean, just because he is old school omertà and doesn't say anything about his doping doesn't make him any better than Froome, they are both still cheating and have built fame and careers on the back of that. That's just my opinion
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Posted on 11-09-2016 19:32
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Nice to see Cort winning once again 
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