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| ringo182 |
Posted on 30-08-2016 15:05
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And another PCMDaily thread descends into innuendo  |
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 30-08-2016 15:28
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Contador, Valverde and Astana is doped. Froome, Sagan and Sky is clean. |
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| Selwink |
Posted on 30-08-2016 15:30
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Do you have any proof Contador, Valverde and Astana are currently doping?
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 30-08-2016 16:14
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Selwink wrote:
Do you have any proof Contador, Valverde and Astana are currently doping?
No one has any real evidence of anything, which is what makes these conversations so frustrating and to a large extent pointless. It's all just opinion. Even much of the media reporting is rumour. Look at the way the French media treated Froome and Sky at the 2015 Tour. All based on nothing but their opinion they must be on drugs because they are winning.
Although there is proof of Contador, Valverde and Astana having doping bans in the past. |
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| Thatguyeveryonehates |
Posted on 30-08-2016 16:52
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So I sat down and logged on to the Federation email address. Posing as Julius Mwangi, I wrote a short letter to the UCI, informing them that I would like to enter Christopher Froome, one of my country's most promising Under-23 riders, into the World Championships at that grade in the autumn. Thank you.
from Froome's book
are you saying froome is a liar?
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So you have access to the Team Sky rider schedules and you have evidence of him being told he wouldn't be going because "team management wanted to take someone who would actually have a future in the sport". Or is that just hearsay from the media.
its from sean yates book. yates was the one who told him.
https://www.amazo...amp;sr=8-1
you should do some reading. you might learn an actual fact or two
since you ignored most of my previous post and drew attention to only the two things you thought you could cast doubt on, i expect you will do the same now and ignore most of this post |
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| I_Mayo |
Posted on 30-08-2016 17:18
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What happened here? Maybe we actually need separate threads for stages or at least the week? |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 30-08-2016 18:30
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Thatguyeveryonehates wrote:
So I sat down and logged on to the Federation email address. Posing as Julius Mwangi, I wrote a short letter to the UCI, informing them that I would like to enter Christopher Froome, one of my country's most promising Under-23 riders, into the World Championships at that grade in the autumn. Thank you.
from Froome's book
are you saying froome is a liar?
ringo182 wrote:
So you have access to the Team Sky rider schedules and you have evidence of him being told he wouldn't be going because "team management wanted to take someone who would actually have a future in the sport". Or is that just hearsay from the media.
its from sean yates book. yates was the one who told him.
https://www.amazo...amp;sr=8-1
you should do some reading. you might learn an actual fact or two
since you ignored most of my previous post and drew attention to only the two things you thought you could cast doubt on, i expect you will do the same now and ignore most of this post
Fair enough, although if Froome is talking about it in his book it's obviously not a big deal. I haven't read his book cause I'm not a fanboy
All of what you say is hearsay and rumour. If your'evidence' was evidence then he would have been banned. That's my point. A few quotes in autobiographies doesn't equal doping. |
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 30-08-2016 18:48
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Ian Butler wrote:
Also I don't get why people love Valverde so much. Well maybe I can understand it. But if he's doing this, I have a very hard time believing what I'm seeing. Especially given his past and - you know... This is cycling. Anyone performing well is a suspect, but this is just over the top. 
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People like to be lied to , they just don't like finding out they been lied to, because a lie is just a great story that someone ruined with the truth
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| Tamijo |
Posted on 30-08-2016 18:59
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I don't understand why this many people on a homepage devoted to pro cycling, is so obsessed with throwing doping accusations left and right, why not enjoy the race and let the police media ext. deal with possible doping use.
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| larsaliknt |
Posted on 30-08-2016 21:09
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ringo182 wrote:
Selwink wrote:
Do you have any proof Contador, Valverde and Astana are currently doping?
No one has any real evidence of anything, which is what makes these conversations so frustrating and to a large extent pointless. It's all just opinion. Even much of the media reporting is rumour.
Also, by Tamijo: I don't understand why this many people on a homepage devoted to pro cycling, is so obsessed with throwing doping accusations left and right, why not enjoy the race and let the police media ext. deal with possible doping use.
So much THIS. Thanks for your coherence, guys.
Though at the same time I'll admit that doping has been undisputedly so linked to cycling that debates like these are inevitable. Let's just not lose our heads by speculating. |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 30-08-2016 23:14
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Pena Cabarga's inclusion in the Vuelta has been very successful and rather dramatic every time; in 2010, Antón who clearly was the best rider in that Vuelta so far, crashed right as the peloton was going his favourite terrain leading into Cabarga. Purito won that stage with a trademark Rodriguez attack, but would later lose freaking 7 minutes in the time trial.
Next year, Froome and Cobo battled on this climb. Froome somehow managed to throw his bike over the line before Cobo in what was a pretty good duel for the stage and the GC - safe to say, Froome had won if not for SIR BRAD.
It was also here Horner began to show superiority to Nibali in 2013. A stage Vasili won, if memory serves. |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 31-08-2016 14:15
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larsaliknt wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
Selwink wrote:
Do you have any proof Contador, Valverde and Astana are currently doping?
No one has any real evidence of anything, which is what makes these conversations so frustrating and to a large extent pointless. It's all just opinion. Even much of the media reporting is rumour.
Also, by Tamijo: I don't understand why this many people on a homepage devoted to pro cycling, is so obsessed with throwing doping accusations left and right, why not enjoy the race and let the police media ext. deal with possible doping use.
So much THIS. Thanks for your coherence, guys.
Though at the same time I'll admit that doping has been undisputedly so linked to cycling that debates like these are inevitable. Let's just not lose our heads by speculating.
Well if the authorities had proven effective in doping controls and actually wanting to catch dopers then I'm sure people wouldn't talk about it so much, pro sports is rotten to its core with corruption, doping and cheating so it's really no surprise at all that people who watch pro sports raise doubts on performances
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| Aquarius97 |
Posted on 31-08-2016 14:28
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23-men breakaway. Looks that they have the stage win for them, but Tinkoff has started to pull in the peloton, and have reduced the gap to 4 minutes.
I don't think Tinkoff will make this alone, only if another team wants to win the stage, ¿Sky? |
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| Aquarius97 |
Posted on 31-08-2016 14:29
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Gonçalves out |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 31-08-2016 14:29
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Contador wants a piece of Pena Cabarga! |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 31-08-2016 14:40
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You would have thought Tinkoff would just let the others do the work. Why kill themselves to pull the break back only for Contador to blow up again half way up the final climb again.
Contador is not strong enough to ride away from the others at this moment. He needs to concentrate on limiting losses. |
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| Aquarius97 |
Posted on 31-08-2016 14:42
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The gap with 65 km to go is 2 minutes |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 31-08-2016 14:50
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ringo182 wrote:
You would have thought Tinkoff would just let the others do the work. Why kill themselves to pull the break back only for Contador to blow up again half way up the final climb again.
Contador is not strong enough to ride away from the others at this moment. He needs to concentrate on limiting losses.
He tries and that is certainly to be applauded. What should the likes of Paulinho, Gogl etc. do anyways? They have done nada, zero during the Vuelta anyways so might as well see if he can win a stage. I like that attitude. |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 31-08-2016 14:55
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Riis123 wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
You would have thought Tinkoff would just let the others do the work. Why kill themselves to pull the break back only for Contador to blow up again half way up the final climb again.
Contador is not strong enough to ride away from the others at this moment. He needs to concentrate on limiting losses.
He tries and that is certainly to be applauded. What should the likes of Paulinho, Gogl etc. do anyways? They have done nada, zero during the Vuelta anyways so might as well see if he can win a stage. I like that attitude.
True. His attitude is good but tactics are very bad.
Why do they need to chase the break down for him to attack on the climb? His team would be more use to him on the mountain then chasing the break down.
All that's going to happen no is Movistar and Sky will take over on the climb and Contador will be isolated early on cause his team is knackered. |
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| larsaliknt |
Posted on 31-08-2016 15:00
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Strydz wrote:
larsaliknt wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
Selwink wrote:
Do you have any proof Contador, Valverde and Astana are currently doping?
No one has any real evidence of anything, which is what makes these conversations so frustrating and to a large extent pointless. It's all just opinion. Even much of the media reporting is rumour.
Also, by Tamijo: I don't understand why this many people on a homepage devoted to pro cycling, is so obsessed with throwing doping accusations left and right, why not enjoy the race and let the police media ext. deal with possible doping use.
So much THIS. Thanks for your coherence, guys.
Though at the same time I'll admit that doping has been undisputedly so linked to cycling that debates like these are inevitable. Let's just not lose our heads by speculating.
Well if the authorities had proven effective in doping controls and actually wanting to catch dopers then I'm sure people wouldn't talk about it so much, pro sports is rotten to its core with corruption, doping and cheating so it's really no surprise at all that people who watch pro sports raise doubts on performances
Hey, it's impossible not to raise suspicions - considering that we all know what we know. I'm just saying, some people forget about suspicions and start to blatantly accuse and to take things for granted. |
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