LeMond doubts Sky
In an interview in L’Equipe, three-time winner Greg LeMond said there is “nothing worse than doubt.” After raising doubts about motors in the peloton, he also had a go at Sky, saying this: “Froome turns the legs so fast that it’s contrary to the laws of physiology. What annoys me is to hear certain trainers say it’s all science fiction, which is disinformation. Others make us believe that they are ahead in science. These famous marginal gains of Team Sky? What a load of bollocks. There are no new training methods; it’s false. In this area, miracles don’t exist.”
after 20 years in cycling, with 24 stage wins in the TdF, 3 stage wins in the Giro + 1 overall victory, 12 stage wins in the Vuelta + 2 overall victories the team name Rabobank will retire from the sport completely as they are finishing their contract with the current development team this year, which as a result is folding as it couldn't find a replacing sponsor.
I have to say, I defenitly respect the company behind it for finishing it's contracts with the Pro team and Dev Team after the debacle which made them pull out. shame it got abused heavily by Belkin though
now if only the interest rates go up instead of down
Another dodgy company out of cycling isn't really a bad thing is it? Cycling can't keep relying on corrupt and or unethical companies to prop it up. Rabobank were involved in illegal land grabs in Romania, money laundering on the Mexican US border and they were involved with rigging benchmark interest rates and fined 1 billion in the Libor scandal wash up. Can't say I'm sad to see them go.
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deek12345 wrote:
LeMond doubts Sky
In an interview in L’Equipe, three-time winner Greg LeMond said there is “nothing worse than doubt.” After raising doubts about motors in the peloton, he also had a go at Sky, saying this: “Froome turns the legs so fast that it’s contrary to the laws of physiology. What annoys me is to hear certain trainers say it’s all science fiction, which is disinformation. Others make us believe that they are ahead in science. These famous marginal gains of Team Sky? What a load of bollocks. There are no new training methods; it’s false. In this area, miracles don’t exist.”
deek12345 wrote:
LeMond doubts Sky
In an interview in L’Equipe, three-time winner Greg LeMond said there is “nothing worse than doubt.” After raising doubts about motors in the peloton, he also had a go at Sky, saying this: “Froome turns the legs so fast that it’s contrary to the laws of physiology. What annoys me is to hear certain trainers say it’s all science fiction, which is disinformation. Others make us believe that they are ahead in science. These famous marginal gains of Team Sky? What a load of bollocks. There are no new training methods; it’s false. In this area, miracles don’t exist.”
I "doubt" Greg was clean during his career.
LeMond is actually one of the riders who is judged as clean during his career. We will never know ofc, still he was far from Froomes/SKY level of craziness. Explosive climber with high cadence crushing others in long TTs, sure, hello Mr. Armstrong...
Was wondering when I had to do this, with this discussion and first summit finish that isn't just a longish grind or small hill coming up, I may remind you of this.
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deek12345 wrote:
LeMond doubts Sky
In an interview in L’Equipe, three-time winner Greg LeMond said there is “nothing worse than doubt.” After raising doubts about motors in the peloton, he also had a go at Sky, saying this: “Froome turns the legs so fast that it’s contrary to the laws of physiology. What annoys me is to hear certain trainers say it’s all science fiction, which is disinformation. Others make us believe that they are ahead in science. These famous marginal gains of Team Sky? What a load of bollocks. There are no new training methods; it’s false. In this area, miracles don’t exist.”
I "doubt" Greg was clean during his career.
LeMond is actually one of the riders who is judged as clean during his career. We will never know ofc, still he was far from Froomes/SKY level of craziness. Explosive climber with high cadence crushing others in long TTs, sure, hello Mr. Armstrong...
Judged by who?
No riders during LeMond's era were clean, particularly the man who was at the top of the sport during that time. It could be argued that not too many top riders these days are clean.
I just find it hypercritical for a former pro, who dominated in a era ruled by drugs, to start making comments about current riders/teams. Is he honestly suggesting that Sky, the biggest and most highly scrutinised team in the world, is mechanically doping at the tour with all of the supposed security in place to catch mechanical doping at the moment?
deek12345 wrote:
LeMond doubts Sky
In an interview in L’Equipe, three-time winner Greg LeMond said there is “nothing worse than doubt.” After raising doubts about motors in the peloton, he also had a go at Sky, saying this: “Froome turns the legs so fast that it’s contrary to the laws of physiology. What annoys me is to hear certain trainers say it’s all science fiction, which is disinformation. Others make us believe that they are ahead in science. These famous marginal gains of Team Sky? What a load of bollocks. There are no new training methods; it’s false. In this area, miracles don’t exist.”
I "doubt" Greg was clean during his career.
LeMond is actually one of the riders who is judged as clean during his career. We will never know ofc, still he was far from Froomes/SKY level of craziness. Explosive climber with high cadence crushing others in long TTs, sure, hello Mr. Armstrong...
Judged by who?
No riders during LeMond's era were clean, particularly the man who was at the top of the sport during that time. It could be argued that not too many top riders these days are clean.
I just find it hypercritical for a former pro, who dominated in a era ruled by drugs, to start making comments about current riders/teams. Is he honestly suggesting that Sky, the biggest and most highly scrutinised team in the world, is mechanically doping at the tour with all of the supposed security in place to catch mechanical doping at the moment?
First, i dont see himj talking about SKY doing mechanical doping, you just mixed up two informations together...
Second, he has extreme anti-doping stance right from the year 1989 and never was afraid to speak about doping and things around it. Many experts on cycling see him as possibly the "cleanest" winner of TdF in last decades, i rather believe them than you.
Also i would not say he dominated the era. He has won three Tours yeah, but he actually had technological headstart ahead of Fignon for example, it was possible in 1980s, unlike now, where technology is here for everybody who has money. Apart from these Tours and Dauphine + two WC titles he has not won so much, not domination at all. He also retired very soon, because he was lacking the power on riders who have started to use EPO and other stuff and he expressed it openly.
So please as a fan of Froome, dont take Lemond into your dirty mouth...
sutty68 wrote:
Shame that Rabobank won't be seen in a peleton anymore
Shame indeed. If Strydz finds cycling cleaner after that..good for him. I believe sponsor has done more good then evil for cycling (specially Dutch). They had not just pro team ..but also several development teams supporters.
For me it is classy sponsor ..and legend team sponsor as Lampre, Mapei, Once etc. I never questioned where Mapei cheated to be successful firm.
Week ago I did see used Rabo Giant bike at the Giant shop for sale. Damn it was beauty. Thankfully it was small size.
deek12345 wrote:
LeMond doubts Sky
In an interview in L’Equipe, three-time winner Greg LeMond said there is “nothing worse than doubt.” After raising doubts about motors in the peloton, he also had a go at Sky, saying this: “Froome turns the legs so fast that it’s contrary to the laws of physiology. What annoys me is to hear certain trainers say it’s all science fiction, which is disinformation. Others make us believe that they are ahead in science. These famous marginal gains of Team Sky? What a load of bollocks. There are no new training methods; it’s false. In this area, miracles don’t exist.”
I "doubt" Greg was clean during his career.
LeMond is actually one of the riders who is judged as clean during his career. We will never know ofc, still he was far from Froomes/SKY level of craziness. Explosive climber with high cadence crushing others in long TTs, sure, hello Mr. Armstrong...
Judged by who?
No riders during LeMond's era were clean, particularly the man who was at the top of the sport during that time. It could be argued that not too many top riders these days are clean.
I just find it hypercritical for a former pro, who dominated in a era ruled by drugs, to start making comments about current riders/teams. Is he honestly suggesting that Sky, the biggest and most highly scrutinised team in the world, is mechanically doping at the tour with all of the supposed security in place to catch mechanical doping at the moment?
First, i dont see himj talking about SKY doing mechanical doping, you just mixed up two informations together...
Second, he has extreme anti-doping stance right from the year 1989 and never was afraid to speak about doping and things around it. Many experts on cycling see him as possibly the "cleanest" winner of TdF in last decades, i rather believe them than you.
Also i would not say he dominated the era. He has won three Tours yeah, but he actually had technological headstart ahead of Fignon for example, it was possible in 1980s, unlike now, where technology is here for everybody who has money. Apart from these Tours and Dauphine + two WC titles he has not won so much, not domination at all. He also retired very soon, because he was lacking the power on riders who have started to use EPO and other stuff and he expressed it openly.
So please as a fan of Froome, don't take Lemond into your dirty mouth...
Firstly there's no need for personal insults. I'm no real fan of Froome. I just find the whole anti Sky/British rider/team stance on this message board very tedious.
Secondly "After raising doubts about motors in the peloton, he also had a go at Sky, saying this: “Froome turns the legs so fast that it’s contrary to the laws of physiology." I take that to be a quote about mechanical doping and Sky. Unless he's talking about 2 completely unrelated things which have been stuck together in a poorly worded sentence.
Thirdly - Lemond was ahead of his time in terms of technology so clearly wasn't doping according to you. Sky are ahead of their time in terms of training methods and sports science so are obviously doping according to you. Seems a bit hypocritical to me.
Doping talks great!
I still believe Lemond was last clean tour winner. Before terrible era started. He was one biggest EPO victim. Without that stupid hunting accident he would have been Merkcx II
I am not fan about what he does today, but he has been correct at many things. He was chasing/ accusing Lance when rest of the world wanted just take picture with Lance.
He has been right about mechanical doping.
please don't offend Lemond ..you might not like he's style and a way he saying things out. But he has not been all the way wrong so far.
deek12345 wrote:
LeMond doubts Sky
In an interview in L’Equipe, three-time winner Greg LeMond said there is “nothing worse than doubt.” After raising doubts about motors in the peloton, he also had a go at Sky, saying this: “Froome turns the legs so fast that it’s contrary to the laws of physiology. What annoys me is to hear certain trainers say it’s all science fiction, which is disinformation. Others make us believe that they are ahead in science. These famous marginal gains of Team Sky? What a load of bollocks. There are no new training methods; it’s false. In this area, miracles don’t exist.”
I "doubt" Greg was clean during his career.
LeMond is actually one of the riders who is judged as clean during his career. We will never know ofc, still he was far from Froomes/SKY level of craziness. Explosive climber with high cadence crushing others in long TTs, sure, hello Mr. Armstrong...
Judged by who?
No riders during LeMond's era were clean, particularly the man who was at the top of the sport during that time. It could be argued that not too many top riders these days are clean.
I just find it hypercritical for a former pro, who dominated in a era ruled by drugs, to start making comments about current riders/teams. Is he honestly suggesting that Sky, the biggest and most highly scrutinised team in the world, is mechanically doping at the tour with all of the supposed security in place to catch mechanical doping at the moment?
First, i dont see himj talking about SKY doing mechanical doping, you just mixed up two informations together...
Second, he has extreme anti-doping stance right from the year 1989 and never was afraid to speak about doping and things around it. Many experts on cycling see him as possibly the "cleanest" winner of TdF in last decades, i rather believe them than you.
Also i would not say he dominated the era. He has won three Tours yeah, but he actually had technological headstart ahead of Fignon for example, it was possible in 1980s, unlike now, where technology is here for everybody who has money. Apart from these Tours and Dauphine + two WC titles he has not won so much, not domination at all. He also retired very soon, because he was lacking the power on riders who have started to use EPO and other stuff and he expressed it openly.
So please as a fan of Froome, don't take Lemond into your dirty mouth...
Firstly there's no need for personal insults. I'm no real fan of Froome. I just find the whole anti Sky/British rider/team stance on this message board very tedious.
Secondly "After raising doubts about motors in the peloton, he also had a go at Sky, saying this: “Froome turns the legs so fast that it’s contrary to the laws of physiology." I take that to be a quote about mechanical doping and Sky. Unless he's talking about 2 completely unrelated things which have been stuck together in a poorly worded sentence.
Thirdly - Lemond was ahead of his time in terms of technology so clearly wasn't doping according to you. Sky are ahead of their time in terms of training methods and sports science so are obviously doping according to you. Seems a bit hypocritical to me.
I dont care if Froome/SKY are british, kenyan, american, czech,russian or from Mars really. It is just you british fans thinking that whole world is jealous or what, that is sick crap and remind nme norwegians with Hushovd/EBH.
You defend him again and again, so it is natural that i see you as his fan, or at least you seem proud that GB has athlete like this...
I believe he speaks about two separate things, therefore he used the word "after". But maybe i am wrong, you are native english speaker in the end, so this is likely my bad.
Superior training methods in 21 century are BS, rich teams have same conditions in training. Science yes, but science of doping and that is all about money.
Guido Mukk wrote:
Doping talks great!
I still believe Lemond was last clean tour winner. Before terrible era started. He was one biggest EPO victim. Without that stupid hunting accident he would have been Merkcx II
I am not fan about what he does today, but he has been correct at many things. He was chasing/ accusing Lance when rest of the world wanted just take picture with Lance.
He has been right about mechanical doping.
please don't offend Lemond ..you might not like he's style and a way he saying things out. But he has not been all the way wrong so far.
To be fair though accusing cyclists of doping is like shooting fish in a barrel
deek12345 wrote:
LeMond doubts Sky
In an interview in L’Equipe, three-time winner Greg LeMond said there is “nothing worse than doubt.” After raising doubts about motors in the peloton, he also had a go at Sky, saying this: “Froome turns the legs so fast that it’s contrary to the laws of physiology. What annoys me is to hear certain trainers say it’s all science fiction, which is disinformation. Others make us believe that they are ahead in science. These famous marginal gains of Team Sky? What a load of bollocks. There are no new training methods; it’s false. In this area, miracles don’t exist.”
I "doubt" Greg was clean during his career.
LeMond is actually one of the riders who is judged as clean during his career. We will never know ofc, still he was far from Froomes/SKY level of craziness. Explosive climber with high cadence crushing others in long TTs, sure, hello Mr. Armstrong...
Judged by who?
No riders during LeMond's era were clean, particularly the man who was at the top of the sport during that time. It could be argued that not too many top riders these days are clean.
I just find it hypercritical for a former pro, who dominated in a era ruled by drugs, to start making comments about current riders/teams. Is he honestly suggesting that Sky, the biggest and most highly scrutinised team in the world, is mechanically doping at the tour with all of the supposed security in place to catch mechanical doping at the moment?
First, i dont see himj talking about SKY doing mechanical doping, you just mixed up two informations together...
Second, he has extreme anti-doping stance right from the year 1989 and never was afraid to speak about doping and things around it. Many experts on cycling see him as possibly the "cleanest" winner of TdF in last decades, i rather believe them than you.
Also i would not say he dominated the era. He has won three Tours yeah, but he actually had technological headstart ahead of Fignon for example, it was possible in 1980s, unlike now, where technology is here for everybody who has money. Apart from these Tours and Dauphine + two WC titles he has not won so much, not domination at all. He also retired very soon, because he was lacking the power on riders who have started to use EPO and other stuff and he expressed it openly.
So please as a fan of Froome, don't take Lemond into your dirty mouth...
Firstly there's no need for personal insults. I'm no real fan of Froome. I just find the whole anti Sky/British rider/team stance on this message board very tedious.
Secondly "After raising doubts about motors in the peloton, he also had a go at Sky, saying this: “Froome turns the legs so fast that it’s contrary to the laws of physiology." I take that to be a quote about mechanical doping and Sky. Unless he's talking about 2 completely unrelated things which have been stuck together in a poorly worded sentence.
Thirdly - Lemond was ahead of his time in terms of technology so clearly wasn't doping according to you. Sky are ahead of their time in terms of training methods and sports science so are obviously doping according to you. Seems a bit hypocritical to me.
I dont care if Froome/SKY are british, kenyan, american, czech,russian or from Mars really. It is just you british fans thinking that whole world is jealous or what, that is sick crap and remind nme norwegians with Hushovd/EBH.
You defend him again and again, so it is natural that i see you as his fan, or at least you seem proud that GB has athlete like this...
I believe he speaks about two separate things, therefore he used the word "after". But maybe i am wrong, you are native english speaker in the end, so this is likely my bad.
Superior training methods in 21 century are BS, rich teams have same conditions in training. Science yes, but science of doping and that is all about money.
I only defend him because everyone seems to be on a witch hunt against him all of the time. To be honest I find his dominance quite boring as unless he crashes he will win the tour this year and for the next 3 or 4 years at least. Quintana seems to have peaked and unless he dramatically improves his TT he will never challenge.
Yes, possibly now every big team has the sports science, but not when Sky started out. The other teams are still playing catch up.
Also, I don't get this whole "Sky are on dope because they dominate". What do they dominate?
They've won one monument in their whole existence, they don't win sprints (even when they had the best sprinter in the World), they don't win any of the grand tours apart from the tour. They win the tour every year because they focus on the tour every year. They sign riders specifically to ride at tempo up mountains and the whole team rides for one objective.
Over a whole season they win no more or less then the other big teams. Why are Sky on dope and none of the other big teams?
Why is Lemond calling out Froome and Sky? Has Sagan not dominated races as much as Froome/Sky over the last couple of years. Why no with hunt against him? Or Kittel? Or Nibali who suddenly became unbeatable of the last stage of the Giro despite having his arse handed to him over the previous 3 weeks?
I am talking only about Froome all the time, i think him + his key Tour domestiques are on a heavy program. I dont care about their classics squad, i also never said they dominate. Try to adress what i say, not what you think or others say. I have also never said that they are the only ones doping, i guess majority of pro riders are.
All teams care especially about Tour, not only SKY.
SKY Tour squad is most obvious case, so i guess that is why they are called first. The team and Froome also went through incredible development, unlike Sagan, Nibali or Kittel, so that is why they are so suspicious. Froome was absolutely nobody few years back, you cant say that about others you mentioned...
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