Well that's exactly my point. If their radicalism or their readiness to use violence are depending on where they live, chances are religion is at least not the only problem.
Alakagom wrote:
Well that's not true about Omar, he worked for security team as an armed guard, he would had access to weapons no matter what.
As for guns, of course not mentioned by most of media is the fact that while gun ownership almost doubled in last 20 years, the homicide rate has also fallen 49%.
And this is just one part of reasons Obama and Democrats will be going absolutely nowhere. The amendment stood when there was far more violence, and it will stand now.
The Australians had problems with mass shootings as well, they took action, and the graph and statistic show that, the number of deaths have fallen drasticly. If this was implemented in the US, can you honestly say that gun related deaths wouldn't fall?
The problem is Australia didn't have the same per capita gun rates the US does, the US roughly has 112 guns per 100 people so we are looking at over than 300 million guns in circulation, Australia never came close to having the same per capita rates nor the gun culture that the US has. I'm not saying that the US shouldn't be implementing very tough gun laws but the Australian example won't fix the problem.
Lets assume you are right, so if it doesn't fix the problem 100% then we shouldn't do it? Personally i would rather do something, and decrease the number of victims, than do nothing at all, which is what is happening as of now.
A gun buyback program just wouldn't work in the US with so many guns out there, it would simply cost to much money to implement such a program and any smaller scale buypack program would be a waste as you would still have several hundred million guns in the publics hands. They should strengthen guns laws and bit by bit keep tightening them whilst properly educating the public on guns, it would take a generation if not more to solve this.
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He's a french guy, who converted to a muslim...sorry, but for me, islam is no religion, but an ideology.
All religions are an ideology, Islam is no better or worse than the other made up fairy in the sky religions, the issue is the fringe extremist elements of any religion who feel the need use violence or intimidation.
All religions have nut cases, it's just the crazy Christians (at least over here) stick to peaceful protests rather than suicide bombing/shootings. IMO Muslims who take the Quean 100% as fact can not live a life that is "integrated with Western Culture". A poll came out recently that 51% of British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal, not gay marriage, the act of same-sex relations. The whole goal of Islam is to unite the world in a Caliphate under its banner. It's either pay up, die, or convert under Sharia Law, which over 1/3 of British Mulaims want to inistitute in the UK. That's not exactly integration.
The problem with these polls is the structure of the questions, 51% might think that but how important is it on there list of priorities? Most likely not very high and therefor when push comes to shove they wouldn't act of these things. Polls can be worked to get any answer the people who commission them want, look at political campaigns and we always see scare campaigns run on the back of polling of what people are scared of yet on a list of importance Health and Education always rank highest. So I am highly sceptical of most polls concerning Muslims and what they want
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Alakagom wrote:
Well that's not true about Omar, he worked for security team as an armed guard, he would had access to weapons no matter what.
As for guns, of course not mentioned by most of media is the fact that while gun ownership almost doubled in last 20 years, the homicide rate has also fallen 49%.
And this is just one part of reasons Obama and Democrats will be going absolutely nowhere. The amendment stood when there was far more violence, and it will stand now.
The Australians had problems with mass shootings as well, they took action, and the graph and statistic show that, the number of deaths have fallen drasticly. If this was implemented in the US, can you honestly say that gun related deaths wouldn't fall?
The problem is Australia didn't have the same per capita gun rates the US does, the US roughly has 112 guns per 100 people so we are looking at over than 300 million guns in circulation, Australia never came close to having the same per capita rates nor the gun culture that the US has. I'm not saying that the US shouldn't be implementing very tough gun laws but the Australian example won't fix the problem.
Lets assume you are right, so if it doesn't fix the problem 100% then we shouldn't do it? Personally i would rather do something, and decrease the number of victims, than do nothing at all, which is what is happening as of now.
A gun buyback program just wouldn't work in the US with so many guns out there, it would simply cost to much money to implement such a program and any smaller scale buypack program would be a waste as you would still have several hundred million guns in the publics hands. They should strengthen guns laws and bit by bit keep tightening them whilst properly educating the public on guns, it would take a generation if not more to solve this.
If you have billions of dollars to wage war in foreign countries, surely you have enough money to buy back guns, from your own citizens.
With that said, i agree that even if you don't do buy backs, there are still option available to secure the american people. I've already mentioned a few things Obama has proposed, many of which i think are "no brainers". Ofc people on the terror watchlist shouldn't have acces to by guns fx.
Ste117 wrote:
This is the end of Europe as we know it, darker times are ahead.
End of Europe? Turkey is not Europe...or an european country, or even in Europe.
Actually some of Turkey is in Europe and they are classed as a European country. And they are main gateway for ISIS and their route will be made easier if Turkey descends into civil war now. But if you want to be more specific then Eurasia but they are seen and treated as a European country.
But look at the state of Europe, attacks in Western Countries and political divide, War in Ukraine, now Turkey. I believe this is start and I blame Nationalism for the problems in my country.
Ste117 wrote:
But look at the state of Europe, attacks in Western Countries and political divide, War in Ukraine, now Turkey. I believe this is start and I blame Nationalism for the problems in my country.
Are you from Turkey?
From my point of view, currently, I blame the lack of nationalism in germany, at least. We are trying to tolerate everything and everyone, when split business would be a better way to do things. But that's not part of the problem in Turkey. I simply think that Erdogan is a dictator.
I don't class Turkey as an european country. European countries are similar in their beliefs and in their western style, whilst Turkey is simply not even close to that.
Ste117 wrote:
But look at the state of Europe, attacks in Western Countries and political divide, War in Ukraine, now Turkey. I believe this is start and I blame Nationalism for the problems in my country.
Are you from Turkey?
From my point of view, currently, I blame the lack of nationalism in germany, at least. We are trying to tolerate everything and everyone, when split business would be a better way to do things. But that's not part of the problem in Turkey. I simply think that Erdogan is a dictator.
I don't class Turkey as an european country. European countries are similar in their beliefs and in their western style, whilst Turkey is simply not even close to that.
I don't like Erdogan and the values he pushes on his people, but it is surely better than seeing the country descend into civil war when we need to be strong and stopping that route for ISIS coming into Europe. And no I am not from Turkey.
But Nationalism is never a good thing, it divides people, although it is not nationalism in Turkey, we don't fully know what the reason is behind this coup.
Ste117 wrote:
But look at the state of Europe, attacks in Western Countries and political divide, War in Ukraine, now Turkey. I believe this is start and I blame Nationalism for the problems in my country.
Are you from Turkey?
From my point of view, currently, I blame the lack of nationalism in germany, at least. We are trying to tolerate everything and everyone, when split business would be a better way to do things. But that's not part of the problem in Turkey. I simply think that Erdogan is a dictator.
I don't class Turkey as an european country. European countries are similar in their beliefs and in their western style, whilst Turkey is simply not even close to that.
I don't like Erdogan and the values he pushes on his people, but it is surely better than seeing the country descend into civil war when we need to be strong and stopping that route for ISIS coming into Europe. And no I am not from Turkey.
But Nationalism is never a good thing, it divides people, although it is not nationalism in Turkey, we don't fully know what the reason is behind this coup.
To a certain amount, Nationalism unites people. I'm more for partiotism. It doesn't de-value other countries.
Ste117 wrote:
But look at the state of Europe, attacks in Western Countries and political divide, War in Ukraine, now Turkey. I believe this is start and I blame Nationalism for the problems in my country.
Are you from Turkey?
From my point of view, currently, I blame the lack of nationalism in germany, at least. We are trying to tolerate everything and everyone, when split business would be a better way to do things. But that's not part of the problem in Turkey. I simply think that Erdogan is a dictator.
I don't class Turkey as an european country. European countries are similar in their beliefs and in their western style, whilst Turkey is simply not even close to that.
I don't like Erdogan and the values he pushes on his people, but it is surely better than seeing the country descend into civil war when we need to be strong and stopping that route for ISIS coming into Europe. And no I am not from Turkey.
But Nationalism is never a good thing, it divides people, although it is not nationalism in Turkey, we don't fully know what the reason is behind this coup.
To a certain amount, Nationalism unites people. I'm more for partiotism. It doesn't de-value other countries.
Same, I believe in fighting as one against the common good and the enemy, divide is not the way forward for the UK or Europe. We need to be strong as one in these times.
It's over. The people of Turkey prefer Erdogan and his dictatorship ways, maybe the west should think about Turkey and their spot in NATO. Surely we can't be in an alliance with a country that is against freedom of press, freedom of speech and freedom to gather and protest(apparently that's only "okay" when Erdogan needs people to do that to remain Sultan) not to mention basic human rights´.
