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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 09-07-2016 16:10
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Froome 85 down! |
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 09-07-2016 16:20
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Honestly, Froome deserves a downhill upgrade, but not too much. Maybe increase him by 2 or 3 points.
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 09-07-2016 16:29
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there is a nice interview with Emanuel Buchmann, where he explains why the time Froome gained nearly had nothing to do with Downhill skills but instead with remaining energy - I would invite you to search for that
additionally, I guess you know that we won´t give away 85 stats, so why are you trolling again?
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| Neilstrong |
Posted on 09-07-2016 16:30
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Froome op can't even nerf |
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| tobgunn123 |
Posted on 09-07-2016 16:45
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froome cant be buffed (get better) in DH...yet. |
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 09-07-2016 16:55
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Paul23 wrote:
Honestly, Froome deserves a downhill upgrade, but not too much. Maybe increase him by 2 or 3 points. Yes 
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| sierramike |
Posted on 09-07-2016 18:15
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Why does every DB has to mess with rider stats?
People download DB's for real names,and maybe some some other extra's.
All main stats are bumped up to 60 while your pro cyclist starts with 55 stats way behind.
Any DB version w/o f*ed up stats ? |
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| Jorge14 |
Posted on 09-07-2016 19:25
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Daniel McLay probably 75Sp and 77Acc and like 70End 69Res
Christophe Laporte 74Sp 75Acc 72End( Does nice on Roubaix and more hard races) and 68Res
Do you think are rather too high?
Also 75MO and 74Hill for Buchman and probably 73MO 74Hill for Konrad? Some help Sepulveda could have 74MO and Hill but with all backups of 69 or too much? if you can help will be nice
Edited by Jorge14 on 09-07-2016 19:55
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| tobgunn123 |
Posted on 09-07-2016 19:56
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Tafiolmo wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
How many stages has Kittel won in TDF? How many has Cavendish?
The two stages in the Giro won Kittel on awesome acc (as you can see, I give him 83acc) and opponents were much worse example was Cavendish not with.
Opponents are better in Tour, so Kittel and Greipel has this not as easy as in Giro.
Answers to all your questions is yes.
The thing is as you know, nobody takes you seriously for the simple reason you constantly back whoever is in form or currently the best. For example only a few months ago you were harping on about how Kittel was far superior to everybody else in sprints and should be higher. But now because he's suffered from a few setbacks you can't wait to put him down. Your now championing Cav but again a slight loss of form and you'll want him down.
You constantly go on about improving somebody like Sagan on earlier posts even more, only because he's doing so well but if he goes through another bad patch you'll have the knives out for him and I dread to think what would happen if Froome fails to win the Tour and if he does you'll probably be proposing a decrease for him and an 84 mtn for the rider that beats him. Point here being, it's easy to troll and back whoever is currently the best and then want decreases for who's not performing this week or month.
It also seems you're not aware of how backup stats work because numerous people on here have constantly given examples to you countless times and mentioned them when discussing certain riders which you constantly ignore.
As Croatia has said the quality of sprinting at the Tour has been terrible with riders setting their trains too early, losing position or just getting boxed in but of course all will have their stats looked at but with all this taken into consideration.
Finally if you made some attempt to be constructive instead of flaming posts, it would be of benefit to everybody.
correct, also some riders get tired from the giro. though im not sure kittel and cav got tired, because sprinters dont take mountain stages seriously. like nibali |
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| MARSUPILAMI |
Posted on 09-07-2016 20:02
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Why don't you start ignoring Arberg? You won't make him stop posting trolly suggestions, so that's my idea 
And how much do you think you'll put Froome in DH? Will you lower Contador's MO much?
Cavendish, Greipel 82
Kittel 81
Sagan, Coquard, Bouhanni 79
Démare, Nizzolo, Modolo 78
Groenewegen 77
Theuns 76
Laporte 75
(I know I am forgetting too many sprinters, but what do you think?)
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| emre99 |
Posted on 09-07-2016 20:16
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That is a joke marsu
Kittel cav 82
Greipel 81
No way greipel>kittel in any way
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| Kiserlovski01 |
Posted on 09-07-2016 20:42
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Bouhanni deserves 80 SP imo, while Coquard's good at 79 and higher ACC than Nacer.
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| tobgunn123 |
Posted on 09-07-2016 21:28
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Arberg27 wrote:
tobgunn123 wrote:
kreuziger an upgrade on hills and mountains to maybe 79 HI and 78 MO or 79 79. He is too underrated. If contadors go off the tour and kreuziger gets the captain role i think he can get a top 3 or 4th
Stats is not about what you think happens in the future, but about what actually happened in the recent past. Kreuziger stats is fine now, let's look at it again after TDF.
he did it good and tinkoff has said that kreuziger will be their captain, and you did see that he has good legs. A top 3 |
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 09-07-2016 21:34
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sierramike wrote:
Why does every DB has to mess with rider stats?
People download DB's for real names,and maybe some some other extra's.
All main stats are bumped up to 60 while your pro cyclist starts with 55 stats way behind.
Any DB version w/o f*ed up stats ?
Idk, mpardo's neutral DB for PCM 09? Cyanide's has more f*ed up stats than daily's by a long shot If you want one just with realnames, there's some around.
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 09-07-2016 22:00
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tobgunn123 wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
tobgunn123 wrote:
kreuziger an upgrade on hills and mountains to maybe 79 HI and 78 MO or 79 79. He is too underrated. If contadors go off the tour and kreuziger gets the captain role i think he can get a top 3 or 4th
Stats is not about what you think happens in the future, but about what actually happened in the recent past. Kreuziger stats is fine now, let's look at it again after TDF.
he did it good and tinkoff has said that kreuziger will be their captain, and you did see that he has good legs. A top 3 He does not have a chance to beat Froome (no one has), Quintana or Aru. Wait now just to after TDF. |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 09-07-2016 22:05
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All these provisionally so far.
Jorge: McLay will be around 75-76/77 and Laporte possibly 75/76 as Cofidis riders are normally kept high so they can form Bouhanni's train because with too many lower 70s sprinters it just wasn't good enough to launch Bouhanni in the really big races.
Buchmann may well get a 75 mtn for the simple reason he's constantly improving and if this wasn't the Tour I'd still say 74 mtn but because the Tour field is superior to most other races 75 more probable.
Also Sepulveda has been 75 mtn for some time now.
Kiserlovski: Coquard has now gone to 79/80 and improvements and decreases to the other sprinters as well.
Edited by Tafiolmo on 10-07-2016 13:13
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 09-07-2016 22:18
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In my opinion is Contador 81 mountain, he is too old to TDF (or he lacks steak), but he can still win Giro and Vuelta, so 81. That he is miserable to avoid crashes does not make him worse in mountain. |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 09-07-2016 22:19
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In fact I'll share with you all, how the sprinters are looking in the DB as of now more or less, with just as many decreases as increases and bear in mind these are provisional with two weeks left to go so riders can still change. Riders like Kristoff who's clearly out of form this year badly needed a decrease and Degenkolb is really not the same after that terrible accident.
Kittel 82/82
Greipel 82/81 or 80
Cavendish 81/83
Sagan 79/83
Coquard 79/81
Kristoff 79/78
Degenkolb 78/79
Groenewegen 77/78
Theuns 76/77
McLay 75-76/77
Laporte 75/76
Enger 75/76
Edited by Tafiolmo on 11-07-2016 14:18
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 09-07-2016 22:44
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Why Cavendish 81 and Greipel 82? |
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 09-07-2016 22:46
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just take a look at this years sprints...
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