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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 01-06-2016 09:51
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Belgium's back up defence after a shitload of injuries:
Meunier - Ciman - Kabasele - Jordan Lukaku
Well done if you know all 4!
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| HerakleX |
Posted on 01-06-2016 10:20
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Kabasele has played a really solid season in Genk. |
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 01-06-2016 10:29
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
I hope Portugal wins as I always liked portuguese football and its about time Ronaldo wins something internationally. Hope Andre Gomes, Sanches, Mario flourish and RQ finds some vintage form.
Has Ronaldo really done anything at the international stage to justify your statement? He did very well at Euro 2004. But since then, hasn't shown up at big tournaments.
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 01-06-2016 10:44
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AbhishekLFC wrote:
Kirchen_75 wrote:
I hope Portugal wins as I always liked portuguese football and its about time Ronaldo wins something internationally. Hope Andre Gomes, Sanches, Mario flourish and RQ finds some vintage form.
Has Ronaldo really done anything at the international stage to justify your statement? He did very well at Euro 2004. But since then, hasn't shown up at big tournaments.
He played with an injury in World Cup 2014. Portugal got unlucky in the Euro 2012 when they lost to Spain on pens and they were the better side all game.
Ronaldo was good in World Cup 2006 where they finished 4th. Portugal right now has the strongest team for a while and a capable manager.
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Belgium's back up defence after a shitload of injuries:
Meunier - Ciman - Kabasele - Jordan Lukaku
Well done if you know all 4!
I do know Thomas Meunier and Jordan Lukaku but its only because hes Romelu's brother  |
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| FroomeDog99 |
Posted on 01-06-2016 11:29
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I was only speaking about Drinkwater. It's hard to argue that Drinkwater should be behind any of Henderson, Wilshere or Barkley in the pecking order, let alone all three.
Leicester were a team who did better then the sum of it's parts. England is not Leicester. Wilshere, Henderson and Barkley are all better individual players then Drinkwater and so should be in the England squad.
Drinkwater filled a role very well at Leicester. But there is a reason he has got to 26/27 without being noticed before while Wilshere, Barkley and Henderson were all touted a future England players when they were teenagers.
It's a bit of a gamble seeing as Wilshere and Henderson have slight injury concerns however in terms of quality it's Wilshere, Henderson and Barkley over Drinkwater any day of the week, week of the year or year of the century 
I'm willing to bet you have only watched a handful of Leicester's games this season. Drinkwater (and Kanté) together have controlled the centre of midfield all season, and I'm convinced none of those three players could have done anywhere near as good a job.
Why isn't he a better player than those three? Just because he plays for Leicester he doesn't get objectively treated... those three have far worse seasons, been worse than Drinkwater in almost every statistic. What more could Drinkwater have done to get in the squad?
I'm sure Drinkwater would get in the squad if he played for a Liverpool or Tottenham, no doubt. Just shows how much is wrong with the England setip. |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 01-06-2016 12:09
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FroomeDog99 wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
FroomeDog99 wrote:
I was only speaking about Drinkwater. It's hard to argue that Drinkwater should be behind any of Henderson, Wilshere or Barkley in the pecking order, let alone all three.
Leicester were a team who did better then the sum of it's parts. England is not Leicester. Wilshere, Henderson and Barkley are all better individual players then Drinkwater and so should be in the England squad.
Drinkwater filled a role very well at Leicester. But there is a reason he has got to 26/27 without being noticed before while Wilshere, Barkley and Henderson were all touted a future England players when they were teenagers.
It's a bit of a gamble seeing as Wilshere and Henderson have slight injury concerns however in terms of quality it's Wilshere, Henderson and Barkley over Drinkwater any day of the week, week of the year or year of the century
I'm willing to bet you have only watched a handful of Leicester's games this season. Drinkwater (and Kanté) together have controlled the centre of midfield all season, and I'm convinced none of those three players could have done anywhere near as good a job.
Why isn't he a better player than those three? Just because he plays for Leicester he doesn't get objectively treated... those three have far worse seasons, been worse than Drinkwater in almost every statistic. What more could Drinkwater have done to get in the squad?
I'm sure Drinkwater would get in the squad if he played for a Liverpool or Tottenham, no doubt. Just shows how much is wrong with the England setip.
If he was a better player her would already be in the Liverpool or Spurs teams. He wouldn't have been constantly shipped out on loan while at Man Utd and then sold to a Championship team.
Leicester had an amazing season, no one can deny that. But as I said, it was a once in a lifetime season with what many would class at the start of the season as a bunch of average players. They found a system that worked and did very well.
Drinkwater has had an amazing year. But form is temporary, class is permanent. What has Drinkwater been doing for the last 2/3 seasons while Wilshere, Henderson and Barkley have been playing regularly for England and contributing to our 100% qualifying campaign.
Wilshere, Henderson and Barkley are all better individual players then Drinkwater.
You ask what more Drinkwater could have done and the answer is not a lot. But Hodgson has proved himself to be loyal to players who do well for him and Wilshere, Henderson and Barkley were all part of the qualifying campaign. Unless Drinkwater could prove he was gonna come in and improve the team drastically there was never really any chance of him going if all the other players proved their fitness.
What can Drinkwater do in the future? Just carry on doing what he is doing. If he really is that good he will become an England regular and be in the squad for the next World Cup. I expect though that both his and Leicester's form will drop off and he will be nowhere near the England Squad by Russia 2018. |
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 01-06-2016 12:24
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Cannot believe Wales are taking Joe Lesley just four weeks after breaking his leg, its stupid  |
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| FroomeDog99 |
Posted on 01-06-2016 12:33
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If he was a better player her would already be in the Liverpool or Spurs teams. He wouldn't have been constantly shipped out on loan while at Man Utd and then sold to a Championship team.
No one's doubting Vardy's quality, yet he's been a sure inclusion despite being rejected at 16 by Sheffield Wednesday... you don't have to play for a big club to be a good player! Plus, he is a good player, he's just won the title - no Spurs players or Liverpool players have done that.
Leicester had an amazing season, no one can deny that. But as I said, it was a once in a lifetime season with what many would class at the start of the season as a bunch of average players. They found a system that worked and did very well.
Yes, everyone thought we had average players (including me) - they were wrong. You don't win a title on luck, and all of our players have earned the title through their performances. And you can't say this was a one off yet, like you seem to be presuming. Why can't they continue to win games?
Drinkwater has had an amazing year. But form is temporary, class is permanent. What has Drinkwater been doing for the last 2/3 seasons while Wilshere, Henderson and Barkley have been playing regularly for England and contributing to our 100% qualifying campaign.
If players shouldn't be picked on form and Hodgson is instead being loyal, why is Rashford in the squad?
Wilshere, Henderson and Barkley are all better individual players then Drinkwater.
You can't just presume that - as I've said, Drinkwater beats each of them in almost every stat.
https://www.squawka.com/comparison-mat...blocks#avg |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 01-06-2016 12:46
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Vardy scored 20+ goals this season and does drastically improve the England squad. You can't say the same about Drinkwater.
Rashford is our 4th choice striker (if you count Rooney as a midfielder). Who else would be our 4th choice striker ahead of him? Defoe? Carroll? Deeney? Peter Crouch? Rashford is going because he's shown potential to be a World Class striker and the experience will be invaluable to his development. If Welbeck was fit he wouldn't be in the squad.
You can use stats to prove anything. It's been proven that the "Moneyball" system doesn't work in football. Drinkwater's stats this season will be good. But what about his stats over his whole career?
You are a Leicester fan and are looking at this through blue tinted glasses. I am an England fan who doesn't support a Premier League team (Birmingham City) so can look at this without bias. Wilshere, Henderson and Barkley are all better individual players and I would prefer all 3 to be in the squad ahead of Drinkwater.
I do however think Hodgson should have taken Townsend over Sturridge. Sturridge is clearly not fit and as an impact substitute Townsend is much more effective then Sturridge.
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| FroomeDog99 |
Posted on 01-06-2016 13:03
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Fair enough. I guess everyone has their own opinion, but if I was the manager Drinkwater wouldn't just be in my 23, but by first XI. I'd also put guys like Antonio and Noble in my squad, but it all comes down to the form vs class debate in the end. I guess we'll find out if Drinkwater is truly a top-class player.
Interesting that you're a Birmingham fan - we signed Demarai Gray from you recently, do you think he'll make it as a top Premier League player? The general consensus for Leicester fans is that he looks an amazing talent and was a steal at £3.5M. |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 01-06-2016 13:19
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FroomeDog99 wrote:
Fair enough. I guess everyone has their own opinion, but if I was the manager Drinkwater wouldn't just be in my 23, but by first XI. I'd also put guys like Antonio and Noble in my squad, but it all comes down to the form vs class debate in the end. I guess we'll find out if Drinkwater is truly a top-class player.
Interesting that you're a Birmingham fan - we signed Demarai Gray from you recently, do you think he'll make it as a top Premier League player? The general consensus for Leicester fans is that he looks an amazing talent and was a steal at £3.5M.
3.5 million was a steal.
It's generally agreed amongst the Birmingham fans that he is a better player then Redmond was at the same age and Redmond looks like he'll be knocking on the England senior door in the next few years if he can get a move to a decent team. He always looks good when playing for the Under 21s. |
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| Mateo4 |
Posted on 01-06-2016 16:09
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Ollfardh wrote:
Belgium's back up defence after a shitload of injuries:
Meunier - Ciman - Kabasele - Jordan Lukaku
Well done if you know all 4!
Well done, if you know anyone |
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| Arkadiusz |
Posted on 02-06-2016 20:35
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Bruno Alves is just too aggressive...and Kane is the iron man 
Anyway, it was a poor 1st half. |
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 03-06-2016 05:35
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Hodgson's just gonna mess it up again, isn't he 
Also, Belgium looking jittery!
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 03-06-2016 08:07
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I think when both teams had 11 players England were the better team. Our final ball just kept letting us down. When Portugal went down to 10 men (one of the most ridiculous challenges I've ever seen on a football pitch. Surely he should get some form of suspension despite it being a friendly) it was almost as if England thought the game had been ruined and so they stopped playing.
What they should have done was treated is as practice for if they are in the same situation in the tournament. Changed to 433 straight away and tried to score 2 or 3 goals. It was just a waste of a friendly in the end.
I thought Stirling and Wilshere changed the game when they came on. Milner and Vardy might as well not have been on the pitch for the first 60 mins. |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 08-06-2016 08:17
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Spain lost 1-0 to Georgia last night. Don't know what kind of team they played but it's not good 2 days before the tournament starts.
I did say when the squad was announced that I didn't think their forward selection was good enough for them to challenge for the title. |
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 08-06-2016 11:28
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Anyone interested in the UEFA Fantasy League for the Euros? I'll set up a league if people are.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 08-06-2016 11:40
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Yes. Has multiple reasons, imo.
- National coach is a joke. He's so bad and still he's coach after this many years. He's good mentally for the squad, but he's such a crappy tactician, it makes me cry. Well, not really.
- Hazard is way overrated and he's always a certainty to play while he rarely brings anything to the game, I think. One flash in a match is not sufficient, sorry. I'd leave him benched for a few games, see if that maybe motivates him to finally work a little bit, instead of just standing around.
- De Bruyne should be moved back to the centre with the freedom to move wherever he wants. Instead he's forced on the right so he won't get "in Hazard's way".
- Defence is quite dramatic at the moment. Lacking top players there.
- Naingolan is a good addition to the team and him and De Bruyne are the only consistent and real good players on the squad, to my observation (I'm just an amateur, but that's my opinion). Witsel, Fellaine, Dembele... those can all be good, but too rarely.
- Lukaku is constantly being screwed over by the national coach. Non-playtime, a 4-3-3 system where he has to do things not to his strengths, always being benched...
- Minor point but: why doesn't Mignolet get any playtime during the friendlies? It's always Courtois in the goal. 2nd and 3rd goalkeeper never get a chance, not even in friendlies. Another "brilliant" move by our friend the tactician, Mark Wilmots. But can't say this is a cause to their current level of playing, as Courtois is perhaps one of the best keepers and my dislike of him is purely personal. |
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| weirdskyfan64 |
Posted on 08-06-2016 16:22
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Lukaku doesn't fit the technical system, neither does Benteke.
But I agree with Wilmots being a rubbish tactician. He struggles to make important decisions, and is kept in his job by the underrated brilliance of Nainggolan, yet would drop him at a single bad word against him by any of the Premier League players.
I think Belgium could finish bottom of the group. And it won't be pretty.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 08-06-2016 16:28
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At least it'd teach some of these players and media reporters and coach a lesson. But I really like De Bruyne and Naingolan so I wish them the best on the field. But honestly the media here just assumes the tournament starts after the Group stage. They could be in for a big surprise! |
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